Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[who?]

They mentioned "alien archaeology" as one of the features of this release, so I doubt that just consisted of one site. I guess the question is - is this site an end of itself (some loot, data to be used with some future engineer?) or does it contain clues to further such sites?

Has anyone been able to grab any of the sounds from the site, and view it as a spectrogram?

 

[n o o d l z]

Alright guys, so I found the Elite Meet system prior to the release of 2.2, and had grand designs of finding the site when 2.2 dropped...but after days of searching with no luck, I think it's about time to bring in some more CMDRs and keep the science moving.

Tl;dr...here's the system you want to be in: COL 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47

I am 100% sure this is the right system. Not only is the star map spot on, but my first discovery status mysteriously disappeared when 2.2 dropped. None of the other systems around it (and there were many), had this issue. It wasn't until I filed a ticket with support that it got fixed...which tells me something probably got changed in the system causing the data to get wiped.

I strongly believe the planet (in this case a moon) is 3A due to the washed out nature of the skymap from Elite Meet (sun is probably nearby), as well as the coloration of this moon...in the right sunlight it matches perfectly (none of the others matched as well when I searched through them in 2.1). I haven't gone looking through all of the other planets in 2.2 (there are a ton), so it's possible I'm looking at the wrong body but I think it's unlikely unless they changed one of them entirely.

Based on the alignment of the nebula, I was thinking between 10-30 degrees latitude north, but I've searched that area quite a bit and haven't had any luck. Seeing as how the planet in the trailer got completely flipped around on the first site, I'm thinking this thing could be anywhere. I've also searched around a lot of the prominent features in the northern hemisphere, but there are a ton of them (some of which aren't even visible on the map), so I'm sure I missed a bunch.

Some interesting things I've noticed...

* the star here is also an F class
* it's orbiting a ringed body
* there is also a ringed brown dwarf in this system (none of the planets orbiting it are landable though)
* maybe most interestingly, the first system, this system, and sol almost line up perfectly (not quite, but enough to warrant further investigation)...and it seems like they may be in multiples of 360ly apart, which ties into the circle theme nicely (this one is about 3 x 360 away)...meaning if there's a pattern here, there may be many other systems to find along this same line

And here's a screenshot...unfortunately the sun is in the pic too as well as some planets, so I can't quite get the same effect, but you can clearly make out the same bright stars. Good luck guys.

View attachment 112733

 

[TiSoBr]

Just wanted to mention, the data scans from the obelisks have different grades:

1 - Gamma
2 - Beta
3 - Alpha
4 - Delta
5 - Epsilon

Sorry if someone figured that out already. Just trying to contribute for something bigger.

 

[xdeath]

Continuing the theme of this discovery being by the players without NPC assistance.
To those that are interested.
We need to search for more sites!!! Nothing helps more than having more than one sample to note the similarities and the differences.
Searching for more sites on the planet is good. Searching the other planets in the system are good ideas. Also checking the planets in the nearby systems would be good.

It has been suggested that we search Sol, specifically the new planets there. And finally Soontill, something about these ruins makes me think Soontill(but I've always thought that). That is where I am right now.

I've tested the main ruins, and it can be clearly heard and seen up to 7.5km out. If you have a good eye you could spot it from orbital cruise.

 

[Steve O B Have]

Just wanted to mention, the data scans from the obelisks have different grades:

1 - Gamma
2 - Beta
3 - Alpha
4 - Delta
5 - Epsilon

Sorry if someone figured that out already. Just trying to contribute for something bigger.

Tried scanning in order? Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon?

 

[xdeath]

* the star here is also an F class
* it's orbiting a ringed body
* there is also a ringed brown dwarf in this system (none of the planets orbiting it are landable though)
* maybe most interestingly, the first system, this system, and sol almost line up perfectly (not quite, but enough to warrant further investigation)...and it seems like they may be in multiples of 360ly apart, which ties into the circle theme nicely (this one is about 3 x 360 away)...meaning if there's a pattern here, there may be many other systems to find along this same line

And here's a screenshot...unfortunately the sun is in the pic too as well as some planets, so I can't quite get the same effect, but you can clearly make out the same bright stars. Good luck guys.

It's a trail it leads to Raxxla!!!

 

[Rinzler6]

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Like there is a map or image overlaid onto the site, or vise versa.

 

[xdeath]

I'm just juxtaposing random      onto other random     . Felt like this sort of matched. Apparently the thargoids have something to do with the LMC too

Could you overlay the large circle on the LMC and the small circle on the SMC? From the systems POV and see if any of the dots match up to stars?

 

[DLewth]

Oh no I was just thinking if inside say a dome, not atmophering the whole planet total recall style.

Just theorizing, aound the 300 kelvin.

It is 368.4LY from Sol, does that sound reasonable for a generation ship?

It's just the ruins seem a strange mix of stone-age and high-tech.

Totems, urns and clearly high tech obelisks.

The scenario of a crashed space faring ship seems a reasonable hypothesis, using repurposed ship technology along with basic survival necessities (such as Urns!)

The first generation ships left Earth ~1200 years ago : https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57b6f0089657ba686d4f8629

At 370LY, that's an average of ~0.3c?

Seems feasible I suppose.

A dome would work. I'm definitely down with this being the Missinng...

 

[Rinzler6]

Quick and dirty highlight of the buried lines.

View attachment 112736

 

[DLewth]

I do not quite understand the "blown up version". "English is not my native language, after all I am Brazilian.". But I believe you want that.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...83/Instantaneo_1_02-08-2016_23-17_-_Copia.png

I'll wait for our resident Trig. Guru to do his thing, but I'm pretty sure there's two different systems here.

 

[Bungalo]

Quick preface to this by saying I totally agree we need to find more sites and also you kick *redacted* Xdeath, great job!

At a glance these ruins look *very* different than UA/UP, barnacles, or the crashed alien ship. Coloration, texture, geometry, the whole nine yards. So setting aside "who" built it we have "why"?

Specifically why here? This is a small moon with low G thats very unlikely to have had life at any point in time. Possibly atmo but unlikely life. Experts correct me if I'm wrong but a small body doesn't have the magnetic field needed to shield life (in our traditional sense) and the proximity to the stars in the system could be problematic. So if this isnt this civilization's birth spot (which seems a safe bet) what is it?

Due to in game clues we might jump straight to a "graveyard" or "burial" area but thats *primarily* due to the names humans (Read devs) have slapped on the objects around it. Could that be a red herring? From a RP standpoint we could call it anything but until we know the function we can't define what it does or what to specifically call it. Other options for what this site could represent are perhaps a holy site, a memorial site of a great battle (fits with the graveyard theme), listening post, or penal colony.

The meat of it though is *what can we get out of it* and how do we interact with it to have that happen? Riz has turned me on to the idea that we need to go with mechanics already in the game (thats how he found the UP convoys that sly dog). We aren't gonna make a new building appear outa the sand, we can already debug cam underground and see there are only unraised obelisks under there. We may be able to trigger something with a scan or a certain object in the current area, perhaps turning on new pillar/server things? We may be able to elicit a code of sound/light.

If we can find more sites and we can compare similarities and differences this may give us some clue as how to interact with it. I'd also suggest, despite the fact UA/UP/MA are different they may cause a reaction. Its a solid idea to check everything regarding the UP/UA in that system in the planets sphere of influence as well as planet side. I'd for sure check the intercepted message/burst message from the UP and decode it to see if theres any significant change (Smarter folks than me will have to do that though) .

Just some downloading patch thoughts. Think function and reason, it may help guide us as opposed to hoping for a dumb luck brute force solution (which will probably happen).

Also I'd love to know if Ozric is finding anything interesting with those Soontil relics at the site.

Edit: Appears my other name for donkey is too vulgar so I've gotta edit that. Doesn't have the same ring but I forgive them.

 

[DLewth]

Post-Lunchtime-beer-thought: One one the Gen Ships Found Raxxla and kicked themselves thousands of years into the past (assuming Drew's Oolite lore has merged into the Elite lore. A big if). Hence tech we don't recognise + Earth-like monumental landscaping + a bunch of years.

Emphasis on the lunchtime beer, It's Friday afternoon in NZ and I've knocked off.

 

[Steve O B Have]

Sorry, I don't have an un-annotated version to play with but inverted and contrast up makes it a little easier to view the details... if I could put up the right size(fixed).

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[Steve O B Have]

Can someone mark up the location of the Alpha, Beta, Gama etc nodes?

 

[MyklAtrum]

Post-Lunchtime-beer-thought: One one the Gen Ships Found Raxxla and kicked themselves thousands of years into the past (assuming Drew's Oolite lore has merged into the Elite lore. A big if). Hence tech we don't recognise + Earth-like monumental landscaping + a bunch of years.

Emphasis on the lunchtime beer, It's Friday afternoon in NZ and I've knocked off.

Its not TOO far out there.. Jaques also talked about time jumping whenever he jumped to Colonia. So time travel is technically possible in our current lore.

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Can someone mark up the location of the Alpha, Beta, Gama etc nodes?

They are random spawns from scanning the obelisks

 

[Cmdr Cheese Wedge]

So the artefacts are not always ON the turquoise fluid/energy, sometimes just near. Which almost seems like someone has placed them there, this seems like it would explain why there are rocks there.

Someone/thing has literally placed a metallic object on the ground, and gathered some rocks to place round it?

https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLUmNKUU5rS2x4dms

I mean perhaps these items have been placed near these spots to absorb whatever it is the turquoise stuff is giving off.

Looks a lot like offerings to something or someone.

 

[xdeath]

Going on the idea that the ruin lay out is a star map.
I've overlaid the image of the site on top of the Magellanic clouds as seen from the system.
I've upped the brightness and contrast to make the stars more visible.

And again over Barnards Loop and Witch Head.

I don't really see anything there, but thought I would try anyway.

On another note, I made gaming news!!! But really it's Davids Tweet that really got me.

SENPAAAAAIIIII

Edit: The monoliths/pillars do not match up to stars in either of these shots

 

[DLewth]

Its not TOO far out there.. Jaques also talked about time jumping whenever he jumped to Colonia. So time travel is technically possible in our current lore.

Ah, I did not know that... Interesting, and a bit encouraging for my shameless fancrufting.

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Going on the idea that the ruin lay out is a star map.
I've overlaid the image of the site on top of the Magellanic clouds as seen from the system.
I've upped the brightness and contrast to make the stars more visible.
http://i.imgur.com/YS0Pst7.png

And again over Barnards Loop and Witch Head.
http://i.imgur.com/LId50Z4.png

I don't really see anything there, but thought I would try anyway.

On another note, I made gaming news!!! But really it's Davids Tweet that really got me.

SENPAAAAAIIIII

+1 virtual rep (you seem to be eating all the real ones). I'm sure the smaller circle is a 'go here' but I can't figure it out.

Have you looked at matching the items on the ground to stars around the loop? I managed to get a few interesting things lined up but nothing I'd show and tell...

 

[Steve O B Have]

Going on the idea that the ruin lay out is a star map.
I've overlaid the image of the site on top of the Magellanic clouds as seen from the system.
I've upped the brightness and contrast to make the stars more visible.
http://i.imgur.com/YS0Pst7.png

And again over Barnards Loop and Witch Head.
http://i.imgur.com/LId50Z4.png

I don't really see anything there, but thought I would try anyway.

On another note, I made gaming news!!! But really it's Davids Tweet that really got me.

SENPAAAAAIIIII

In classic Aussie vernacular - FULLY SICK! Well done (actually a Kiwi but I live in Sydney so when in Rome haha)