Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Silaz]

I have finally decided to jump in to the mystery side of ED, and have began analyzing my sound files taken from the obelisk that is positioned in the following cluster:

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Obelisk_Cluster.jpg

I'm not too bad at pattern recognition, but not so good a maths. I think you need to be good at both these things to solve these kind of puzzles. So I haven't attempted to de-crypt any of this yet, I just feel that there are some details that have gone unnoticed so far, that may or may not be relevant.

I was trying to get an hour long recording, but the game crashed after 46 minutes, so I went with what I had after first trying to analyze just a ten minute sample.

So really I'm just trying to describe things as I see them, from my own point of view rather than try to decode any of this.

First of all the audio loop in the waveform appears to be 2:51.4 minutes long and repeats indefinitely, you can clearly observe this graphically in the following image:

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Waveform_01.jpg

Secondly I could not detect any repeated signal component sets in the 46 minute recording. Is it supposed to repeat after one hour? Did I read that somewhere? Well anyway from the data I have each signal component set seems unique, and they vary from just a handful of bars up to several dozen. Each component set seems to reside within a single audio loop, never do you get two component sets within a single audio loop parameter.

Here are 18 signal component sets cut out of the file, and presented in the order that they were recorded:

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/18_Signal_Components.jpg

Observational notes:

There are six individually unique types of bar component. For descriptive purposes I have chosen the following nomenclature, indicated here in the following images:

SHORT TOP DOUBLE BAR:

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Short_Top_Double_Bar.jpg

This when we look closely is not just a single block, but is composed of two parts.

WIDE BOTTOM BAR
TABBED TALL BAR

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Tabbed_Tall_Bar_and_Wide_Bottom_Bar.jpg

The WIDE BOTTOM BAR is the only component that is genuinely solid. TABBED TALL BAR has a small tab at it's top right corner.

DEEP SLIM TABBED DOUBLE BAR
SLIM DOUBLE TABBED END BAR

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Deep_Slim_Tabbed_Double_Bar_and_Slim_Double_Tabbed_End_Bar.jpg


DEEP SLIM is tabbed on the top right hand bar segment and reaches down below 8KHz. None of the other bar components do this.
SLIM DOUBLE TABBED is as described. It has two tabs on each of its bar segments. Also it appears to be part of some kind of footer to indicate the end of that component set.

TABBED BIG END BAR

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/Tabbed_Big_End_Bar.jpg

Again as I'm sure everyone has already noticed this component indicates the end of the component set, and seems to be paired with the SLIM DOUBLE TABBED END BAR. These two components are always indicating some kind of component set footer and are always the same distance apart. This component bar actually has five tabs in total, one of which is very faint, but still definitely present.

http://www.carbryck.com/EDSCREENS/End_Bars_Distance.jpg

Time distances between component bars in a set seems to vary considerably, and must surely be a factor to consider. Also the tabs on the top of most of the component bars must also surely bare some kind of significance. If the creators of this puzzle wanted to make plain solid bars, I'm sure they would have done so.

Sorry if this makes things more complicated! And also sorry that I have no input regarding solving the puzzle, although I think we can gather from the style of the ruins that this particular mystery probably has nothing to do with the previous UA/UP/Thargoids mysteries and perhaps should be considered a separate entity.

My ASP is currently parked up at the Ruins and I intend to gather more recordings from all of the Obelisks over the next few days. But I don't think I'm capable of actually solving a puzzle like this.

Additional EDIT: Now that I've got more up to date with the discussion here, which everyone seemed to be posting whilst I was preparing this post! - My opinion of the carrier wave signal idea, (which I would never have thought of, even though I am familiar with FM synthesis) - I'm not convinced that it is any carrier wave signal. Looks to me more like part of the audio loop file. If you have a look at the 18 signal component sets link above it seems that the proposed carrier signal coincides heavily with the rest of the lower frequency sounds below. Also it is not solely present between the two footer bars, but throughout the spectrograph component sets, and indeed can also be found where there is no 'information'. Unless the audio file itself is a carrier wave? But how to isolate the specific sound? I wouldn't know how to do that.

Going by what people are saying I think I would probably go along with the theory that this could just be a red herring/dead end type thing, because of the seemingly random endless nature of the 'information'. Either that or it's way more complex, such as has been suggested that the added information placed inside each sample loop is based of environmental influences, which would be interesting.

- Si

 

[Daedalus_Dash]

I looked at RM4SCC but I don’t think it works as it requires three levels of data (high, mid, and low) while the obelisk data only seems to have two levels: high and low. If anything CPC-4 state barcode would work better.

Yep scratch what I wrote..

 

[Ericlas]

The blocked out shapes look like old IBM AS400 Computer tape barcoding that we used to track data we sent offsite for storage.

Could it be...???


this sound:

[video=youtube;Nq3mNYKR7FM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq3mNYKR7FM[/video]

this wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_tape_data_storage

this picture?:

Naaaah....too stretched....

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*snip*

I can't see your attachments

 

[xdeath]

Yep, agreed, which means searching all of the planets in my map’s systems will take a very, very long time. It’s almost too daunting a task without some direction. And that’s assuming my map is actually correct, which we don’t know that it is.

And now it seems like the obelisk sound data is just randomized junk.

I think we are stuck again. [sad]

There is still Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. That has neither been confirmed or denied.

 

[azteke]

Could it be that manipulating the site (obelisks, relics, etc.) influences the sound pattern? There could be hints to what a desired outcome is. Maybe it changes the shapes to Morse, or to all large blocks in the signal to indicate the right setup of the site.

 

[taleden]

There is still Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. That has neither been confirmed or denied.

Before spending a lot more time scouring the systems Mengy identified, it may be worth double checking that the measurements were correct; I was unable to verify them myself.

 

[Codger]

I have a couple questions about the first alien crash site, the one in Pleiades Sector AB-W b2-4.

I recently visited the 3rd alien crash site, and I decided I wanted to see the others as well. When I approached the first site, there was (is) a capital ship hanging overhead. I flew closer, watching carefully. A Clipper came out and scanned me, but then flew away. But when I got a bit closer, there was some comms chatter about 'crime detected' and they attacked my ship, forcing me to flee.

I landed a ways off and drove to the site in my SRV. No one bothered me. After investigating, I got back to my ship and then docked at the research facility that is close by (Noctrach-Ihazevich Research Facility). It seems to be some kind of military installation, but they let me land and refuel/repair.

There is a mission board, and a passenger lounge, but neither would load for me. They timed out.

The commodities screen came up, but was empty.

There is a functioning black market, but I had nothing to sell.

The crew lounge worked normally.

Do we know anything about what's going on there now? What is the capital ship up to? Is that research facility new?

 

[SGE]

Hostile Pilot above the site in this moment, be careful

Ok they are still there. Becarfull they invite you in wing. Talk a bit and after few minutes they kill you

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Will 12 UAs be enough to push Wright City over the limit? Probably not:

Spoiler

https://i.imgur.com/UMfSHX9.jpg

Come winter we might be glad of all the nice warm stations we have left, after the aliens have decimated most of them.

 

[Glastinghouse]

[video=youtube;Nq3mNYKR7FM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq3mNYKR7FM[/video]

[video=youtube_share;tg12wFEXdbw]https://youtu.be/tg12wFEXdbw[/video]

They sound very similar, at least the continuous humming

I'm heading over to Col 173 Sector right now. But why exactly that system, did I miss the conclusion to that?

 

[Mengy]

There is still Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. That has neither been confirmed or denied.

I’ll be honest, when I was originally laying out my map I was hoping that the alpha target would point right at that system, because it would have renewed our searching of the system. The system my map points to isn’t far off from it though, I mean far enough to not make it line up at all mathematically, but close enough that I have to wonder about it.

 

[AlexAndTheDJ]

There is still Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47. That has neither been confirmed or denied.

Its definitely the system from the elite meet video. I've checked countless other systems and none of them line up correct.

I've checked a few planets, trying to line up Barnard's loop like in the video. But I'm not sure that's right because of planet rotation etc.

What's needed is a brute force search.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Alright CMDRS,

as promised I took a shot at the recordings from yesterdays night.
I am no scientist, codebreaker or whatsoever, just a gamer
I recorded 56mins of the signal and did several tests.
The recording was limited due to my SRV exploding (marked it in the signal), as I was tabbed out of the game and didn't notice it.
I took some further recordings later to determin the signals origin.
But read for yourself:


Eric, what are you talking about?
A quick key to start with, so we are on the same page.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/bwWNzSW.jpg

Obelisk status:

I noticed 2 different states for obelisks in the recording (deliberate testing):

1. Standby
- SRV is in range
- obelisks starts to light up,
- display is still off
- steady monoton noise starts

2. Active
- SRV is right in front
- obelisks is still shining
- display is on
- pulsing noise, almost like old mechanical computers starts

3. logic dictates that here is probably a 3rd state, -Offline-, but i didn't record this

You can see the 2 states here.
Notice the "carrier wave" (marked red) in both states and the pitch of frequencies.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/6wAZ6ri.jpg

Patterns:

1. It seems that the signal is devided in groups of signals. Every group devided by the marker.
2. I was not able to spot a reacurring group patterns.
3. The signals components itself (lines, blocks, markers) are identical throughout the recording
4. The "carrier wave" seems to be constant as well (see below)
5. Signal components do not overlay.
6. Pauses behind a marker seem not to be consistent. (ranging from secs to mins)

I made a gif to make it more visible.
Focus on the far right, the "marker" (as it seems to close every signal group) does not change, as well as the "carrier wave".

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/z44hdLj.gif

Conclusion:

1. The signal originates from Obelisks in active state.
2. The signal is probably not a sound artefact. There are too many indicators showing that it was deliberatly put there. (a carrier wave, identical components, components do not overlay)
3. The message, if there is any, is long! I caught 56mins and the patterns did not repeat. You will see there are many pauses between groups, up to 2-3mins.


Attachments:

Below you will find my converted 56min recording.
It was taken here while using the debug cam to get as near as possible:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/2Wnga7b.jpg

As well as pictures of the spectrogram if you are not in the mood to open them yourself

DROPBOX WITH ALL THE STUFF



Personal Notes:

This is as far as I could come with my limited capabilities here.
I remind you: I only have a mobile connection with limited bandwith and transfer.
I will not upload any more audio! (I just can't as I'm just about to hit the limit).

There is further testing needed and if there is anything behind this then I would kindly ask other CMDRs to take some recordings and upload them.
If you can dismiss this signal/theory, then please do so and save us all alot of time.

@FD/ Michael: Please have mercy and tell us, if this is not intended so we won't follow any wrong leads

In any case I am thankfull for your time and attention.
Good luck and Fly safe CMDR!

o7

+another, for *good* science!

 

[Lance Huntsman]

Mengy based off of your research i just Have to believe there is something at one of the two systems....i have done allot of searching at the beta but may move on to the alpha

Xdeath can you remind me about the Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47 system? My brain is just mush after so much info lately

 

[xdeath]

Its definitely the system from the elite meet video. I've checked countless other systems and none of them line up correct.

I've checked a few planets, trying to line up Barnard's loop like in the video. But I'm not sure that's right because of planet rotation etc.

What's needed is a brute force search.

A brute force search of 3A and 8C should be good. Best two candidates I could find to match the video. I am on my way out there now to do a proper search now that I have a few ideas on how to spot the Ruins.

After 3A and 8C, I would suggest the rest of 8s moons and then a free for all with the rest of the landable planets, except where the gravity is too high.
The second cut in the video shows the SRV wheel thrusters pointing up, meaning they were pushing the SRV down towards the planet.
Low gravity.

 

[rizal72]

The blocked out shapes look like old IBM AS400 Computer tape barcoding that we used to track data we sent offsite for storage.

Could it be...???


this sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq3mNYKR7FM

this wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_tape_data_storage

this picture?:

http://i.imgur.com/a4jrAl9.jpg



Naaaah....too stretched....

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I can't see your attachments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq3mNYKR7FM

https://youtu.be/tg12wFEXdbw

They sound very similar, at least the continuous humming

I'm heading over to Col 173 Sector right now. But why exactly that system, did I miss the conclusion to that?

Now... let me seeeeee.... well..... remember we have Sir David Braben here... he started coding at those very exciting "analogic" times...

 

[Glastinghouse]

[video=youtube;YTO1jRuJXqo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTO1jRuJXqo[/video]

That Elite Meet video? I am 99% sure that this is Synuefe XR-H, the ruins xdeath already found. Except the ruins look almost identical (see xdeath's post on page 420)

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

...what does it reminds me instead?

The UA purrs: remember? Yes, randomized as well. it seems FD likes doing it for fun and games...

AMAZING WORK Ericlas!

There apparently are signalling systems intended to convey information in such a way as to make the transmission appear like random noise. However noting Riz's comment about the UA purrs being random (the real info being inthe bifrequency Morse), perhaps the obelisk information is being carried in the "carrier signal" rather than the more obvious ternary symbols.
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Thanks
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@all:

I'm not trying to make my case here. I hate stuff throwing us off the course and wasting our time.
So rest assured, if it is rubbish, then close it down, readjust our focus and look somewhere else.
I just read through your comments and had an idea and needed to check again.

I took another 20min recording at a random obelisk (I'm sure it doesn't matter).
After comparing both files I saw there ARE repeating patterns. Just not whole group patterns.

edit2: they match not 100% as the spacing seems to be off a bit sometimes, maybe due to technical stuff I don't understand

Have a look:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/LB2ERCO.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/KXMyaq8.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/sg5XRUv.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/Snm2DSF.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/pJIDv9J.jpg

Now I only focused on very prominent patterns and just skimmed through them.
Both records start and enf somewhere, nothing to overlay here.
I don't know if it means something or what to do with it. I am a gamer
That's why I asked for an official Go/NoGo

You've found repetion, so the liklihood is that there *is* real information there. Perhaps the transmission is a mix of real signal &a masking signal which makes it appear random.

 

[Masheikh Scytale]

Hey guys,

Not sure if this has been seen yet but I was just cruising to Barnard's Loop and saw this nebula with Barnard's Loop. Reminded me of the rings. Not sure if it helps, adds a new perspective, or just looks cool .

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Rq3OfYd.jpg

Am I wrong or is there actually a star appearing almost just between the two metalic 'clamps" at the end of the 'finger' of the large pad ? Which one could it be ?

 

[xdeath]

Mengy based off of your research i just Have to believe there is something at one of the two systems....i have done allot of searching at the beta but may move on to the alpha

Xdeath can you remind me about the Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47 system? My brain is just mush after so much info lately

Col 173 Sector KY-Q D5-47 system was located by CMDR n o o d l z based on this video.
Planet 3A is thought to be the most likely candidate based on the level of light pollution in the sky in the shot and due to the overall match in texture and tone for the terrain.

The search was abandoned after no results were found, suspect to the possibility that the Ruins were removed from that system.
Also backed up by the fact that the Ruins in those shots were identical to the Ruins found in Synuefe sector, down to the placement of obelisks and the collapsed walls.
Frontier has not answered whether they did or not.

That lack of answer makes me suspect that Ruins might still be in that system. Frontier has nothing to lose by saying that the Ruins were moved. But, by saying that the Ruins were still in the system would be hint dropping and generally taking the achievement of the find away from the players, which is something they try to avoid.