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The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Thanks for the link Derek. Looking through your posts at your own site, I see references to the same thing myself and several others commented right at the start. Cryengine3, really? The disaster of Mechwarrior Online was still raw in many people's minds, and it brought the limits of the engine to glaring clarity (well that, and the terrible shovelware studio I will not name in polite company).
Okay, can you please briefly explain what the difference between 64bit scenes and 64bit positioning?
What sense would it make to define a player's position with a 32bit float in a 64bit world? Or vice versa?
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So you don't also think CIG has made the migration to 64bit positioning in their engine? Does that mean that their fully-traversible real-size planets are actually a lie and they don't have that working atm?
Why is it that you're certain that with 50 very clever people they can't (eventually) switch all necessary cryengine code to 64bit positioning? Even if their renderer is still 32bit.
Do you think that if they actually have proper 64bit positioning they have a non-hacked QD transitions within the same system? A quick calculation tells me that they can support areas of thousands of light seconds if they decide to settle on a minimal resolution down to a millimeter. Why is that wrong?
Lastly - I can't agree that the fact that QD is currently uninterruptable is a clear sign that they'll never be able to do it. Come on now - even if they use hacked disconnected scenes they can always just spawn another one in the middle of your jump with all the correct scenery. Sure it's a hack but it's very much doable.
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I have a technical question.
Cryengine wasn't designed with planets in mind. How would they deal with e curvature of planets? How do you make gravity point correctly to the centre of the round body as you travel around it? How do you deal with the z-coordinate for level design if you can be anywhere on the round planet. At that point, the engine would have very little to do with cryengine anymore, right?
Cryengine wasn't designed with planets in mind. How would they deal with e curvature of planets? How do you make gravity point correctly to the centre of the round body as you travel around it? How do you deal with the z-coordinate for level design if you can be anywhere on the round planet. At that point, the engine would have very little to do with cryengine anymore, right?
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From what I know they realized this quite a while ago. Which is why they pretty much Rebuild the Engine from Scratch rather than continuing the futile attempt of somehow getting it work with CryEngine.
That was one of the reason why even baselines were delayed heftily.
So while it might still be the Cryengine somehow. It might not make much sense to really consider it as such. Because the Values and Perks might be entirely different from what it used to be.
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I would honestly said not take too much value in whatever Derek Says.
His Obsession with this Topic is pretty clear and goes beyond what you would consider simple sharing of expertise.
He pretty clearly uses each and any point to somehow go against SC here. Which makes him fairly Uncredible to me.
No Offense to his Skills. But as my Doc said to me Years Ago.
If I want to find something thats wrong with you. Then I will find something thats wrong with you.
And it will always be something that Potentially could Kill you or which would warrant Hospitalizing you right away.
Derek is clearly looking for whatever wrench he could possibly throw into the Games Gears. And so of course he finds some.
But weather thats anywhere close to being as bad and as impossible as he claims is an different Story.
Right now seeing the Progress they make.
I am Fairly Certain we will get a Game out of it.
This might or might not have an Working Stellar System that Moves.
As an sidenote. One simple way to make this work with the CryEngine would be to use Area Instancing.
Erm ok. Pls note I learned Industrial Programming. And that in German. So pls remind yourself that some words might be used wrong or not make full sense because I simply dont know the proper english word for it. And maybe not even how its called in Software Programming in German. ^^.
But lets assume we have a Planet. Then we could simply set this Planet as one Area.
This Area would be run by a Different Instance.
You dont have 100km Sight Range. So it makes little difference from the Outside wether the Planet is Static or really moving.
So for 1 Sun with 1 Planet (works with more as well but for this example this suffices) You would have 2 Areas.
1. Area would be the Sun and the Surrounding Nothingness.
In this Area you would now have whatever is around the Sun like some Asteroids etc etc. Your own Rotation etc is inside the Suns Gravity Field. So this can be done pretty much Static with no one Noticing.
In further Distance you would have the Planet. The Planet Rotating around the Sun. At least in your Graphics. Because since your not in Range of it. its nothing but that an Graphic.
And here the 2. Area comes in.
That Graphic gets an lets say 1000km Area around it. If you get as close as this. The Instance in the Backround starts loading.
At this Point youll be so far out from the Sun that you wont be able to see movement of this anyways so again it being Static since your within the Suns Gravity well makes sense.
No Loading Screen Required. You.ll need some time to reach the Planet anyways. So this can be done slowly in the Backround.
Without Noticing your now within Area 2.
Area 2 is the Planet. Which again is Static because now your Officially Affected by the Planets Gravity Well. Thus you yourself are now also rotating around the Sun.
Instead of the Planet Rotating around for you. Now its the Sun which is moving.
Both Areas are Effectively Static with but a few Moving Objects which contain an Proximity Trigger that makes you Shift the Instance Automaticly.
This way the CryEngine should actually be able to get this sort of Feat done.
Programming is often Trickery after all.
You dont need to Create an Entire Galaxy with moving Systems which nobody would ever be able to see cause from their relative position this makes no sense.
For a Player. Instancing is completely Irrelevant if you dont have any Lags or Loading Screens from it
(Pls note another way would be to Copy Elite Dangerous here and use a Self Triggered Instance Change. Caused by your Jump Drive. But that would Require a third Instanced Area for Hyperspace or whatever. And it causes the Funny Bugs of being able to Supercruise to another Solar System and then sitting in front of it but still requiring to use the Jump Drive for the 0.1 LS Range because you can only trigger that instance change by using the Jumpdrive
So I would use a Proximity Trigger.
Of course in SC due to the way In System Jumps are Handled. They could use a Mix of both. In Addition to the Proximity Trigger they could also change Instance when using the Jumping.
)In General. This is a bit of Work of course.
But I would say its all within the Possibility Range.
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I would likely do it the same as when using the Unreal Engine.
I would set it as Trapezoid Areas.
An Ball Form Planet. Would thus be Partitioned into at the very least 6 Areas.
Each having only 1 Directional Gravity.
I guess for not causing any abrupt Direction Changes. It would make more sense to use around 60 Different Areas of course.
Most Humans in a Game wont be able to really notice that Gravity is actually wrong by 10 Degree. They notice they are still pulled to the Ground.
If you tested afterwards you would surely notice. OK On this edge if I just stop all engines and then Fall. I am actually falling in a slight angle of 6 Degrees to the Side.
But it wont disturb the Gaming Experience
I admit tough I dont know if you can set several Gravity Zones in the CryEngine.
Crysis 1 had them. Serious Sam had them. Unreal had them. Quake had them.
It's been possible ever since we went 3D in games.
Hey, I can easily see how to tile a planet like a football, but then it's not a single huge object defined with 64bit precision that you can drive on seamlessly, with others swooping in from above as they come down from orbital hights.
That is the whole point of battlescape. I do not think CIG have pulled it off. I'll own up and admit to having been wrong if this turns out to be the case. I'm a golden ticket holder, and between myself and my lovely partner, we have over 100 euros invested in the game. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Astonished, but happy.
That is the whole point of battlescape. I do not think CIG have pulled it off. I'll own up and admit to having been wrong if this turns out to be the case. I'm a golden ticket holder, and between myself and my lovely partner, we have over 100 euros invested in the game. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Astonished, but happy.
I don't understand what the problem really is with gravity.
You can dynamically change the force vector to always point to the center of the planet for each object that you want affected by gravity. The trick here is to apply it on a per-object basis, instead of per-level.
Yet, you guys can't help but to keep bringing me up. Yeah, OK then.
FACT: It's not relevant what people believe in what I'm saying; what's relevant - and important - is what can be seen in the game's production.
ps: It's all rubbish. The entire project has evolved into a money grabbing scam. They can't - and never will be able to deliver on promises. And when the final bell tolls, these posts will still be here for all to read.
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Actually you can.
After all especially while Driving. You wont notice a Shift of a few Degrees.
You also wont notice when you Change the Area because the Adjacent Areas will be loaded in the Backround already before you reach it.
An General Tiles System.
Imagine it like a Chess Board.
You always have your Own Tile. As well as all Neighboring Tiles loaded.
You go to your Neighboring Tile. Now he Discards the Tiles which no longer Neighbor you. And Starts Loading the Tiles which now newly Neighbor you.
Since the Tile will be Loaded way faster than you could ever reach the Border on the other Side of the Tile you just Arrived it. You will not get any Loading Screens or Seams.
As I said.
Programming is often Trickery.
It needs to be Seamless Playabale for the Player.
That doesnt mean your not allowed to add any Seams in the Program itself
They would have to start from scratch.
What happened for Freelancer there ?
Played the Game quite a bit back then
Chris led the studio, and the project bloated endlessly. The scope was way out of their reach, and the project ran years late and deep into the red.
Eventually a publisher stepped in, bought the whole mess, soon enough fired CR, and then finished the project and published a game. Much reduced in scope, and not my cup of tea with the shooter controls (hello interactive mode mk 1), but at least they put out a game.
CR became a movie producer instead, with mixed success.
That went well..
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Define "success"
ps: I had a similar argument with a backer earlier today. It was hilarious.
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Define "success"
ps: I had a similar argument with a backer earlier today. It was hilarious.
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Lol.
I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.
How do these people come up with this obseqious garbage?
Dreams will do that, don't you know?
It's hilarious to me that when I made similar claims (about how Sandi only got involved because of Chris; how she has nothing to do with the success of the game's marketing etc), I was accused of running a hate campaign, harassment, stalking, doxxing, and I think some dude on Reddit (and on some media site), called it digital *censored* (<---- no, I didn't just make that up).
ps: Read the whole thread. It's delightful.
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The funny thing is I'm 99% certain they are being trolled and don't realize it. If its not trolling, I don't know what to think. I cannot understand how this is being allowed to continue, selling IOU's(ship JPEGS) for 4 years straight for a game that has bloated way over its original scope and delivered practically nothing, it has totally perverted the noble idea of crowdfunding into something far worse than the original publisher model of developing games.
I doubt it.
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Unlike back then. He now has Tons of Money to actually Cope with the Scope.
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The Scale is incredible large. Nowhere close to what an Studio would take over anymore
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