The Star Citizen Thread v5

Jools · Dec 17, 2016

1500 said:
Some "live" gameplay, I had no idea that CIG had invented time travel. Watch the clock.

[video]https://clips.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus/MushyMeerkatUncleNox[/url]

Wow... nice space sim... it is not

looks like a poor crysis mod

At this point i don`t even remember how to access my account for this game (early KS backer with quite a basic pledge here) but the funny thing is i don`t even care

this is all truly pathetic

Cmdr Eagleboy · Dec 17, 2016

Knightshark said:
Any initial reactions on SM so far?

People are happy it actually runs not so badly.

edit: haven't seen any longer footage. It looks very boring from what I seen, but I haven't seen much.

Viajero · Dec 17, 2016

*Mod hat off

It is still a bit amazing how a number of fans seem to only be upset about the "communications" part of the debacle (of which yesterday´s fiasco seems to only be the tip of the iceberg). They focus on the stream technical fails and the fact that the news about the cancellation of the SQ42 demo was only given a few minutes before it.

Some of those are still doing their damnedest best to avoid articulating or confronting the underlying possibility that all those issues are just symptoms of a company buckling under managerial, technical (or even commercial) limitations, leading to a constantly delayed schedule, unable to progress development and produce meaningful quality content of any kind after 4/5 years. The poor quality and practically zero new content of the show yesterday is just an anecdotal reflection of CIG´s poor delivery everywhere else.

Osmanthus · Dec 17, 2016

Viajero said:
*Mod hat off

It is still a bit amazing how a number of fans seem to only be upset about the "communictaions" part of the debacle (of which yesterday´s fiasco seems to only be the tip of the iceberg). They focus on the stream technical fails and the fact that the news about the cancellation of the SQ42 demo was only given a few minutes before it.

Some of those are still doing their damnedest best to avoid articulating or confronting the underlying possibility that all those issues are just symptoms of a company buckling under technical (or even commercial) limitations, leading to a constantly delayed schedule, unable to progress development and produce quality content of any kind after 4/5 years.

And that's why at the next hint of content they'll forget all about this and secrete money like it's a kind of bodily function

Knightshark · Dec 17, 2016

There is no point commenting. Anyway you turn it, everything points towards a fiasco. The don't manage to get content resleased, they mess up PR, not even the demos look nearly like 2016, and that even for the prerendered stuff.

Cmdr Eagleboy · Dec 17, 2016

Viajero said:
*Mod hat off

It is still a bit amazing how a number of fans seem to only be upset about the "communications" part of the debacle (of which yesterday´s fiasco seems to only be the tip of the iceberg). They focus on the stream technical fails and the fact that the news about the cancellation of the SQ42 demo was only given a few minutes before it.

Some of those are still doing their damnedest best to avoid articulating or confronting the underlying possibility that all those issues are just symptoms of a company buckling under managerial, technical (or even commercial) limitations, leading to a constantly delayed schedule, unable to progress development and produce meaningful quality content of any kind after 4/5 years. The poor quality and practically zero new content of the show yesterday is just an anecdotal reflection of CIG´s poor delivery everywhere else.

Well it is called investor bias or whatever fancy name you could use. Difference is that most people have invested not only with their money, but reputation and emotional feelings. They will tie themselves to the ship to the bitter end.

RhymeRhyme · Dec 17, 2016

Stigbob said:
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what Chris Roberts said about that exact subject, he said the game would be released in 2014 he also said increased funding and scope would not effect the amount of time it took to release the game.

If you think Chris Roberts is so plainly wrong about that, why do you have faith in his ability, and why are you mad at people who also think he was wrong about that and other things.

So I'll assume that there's absolutely no argument you can make against any of them then.

I say all the folks should stay cool. I will not help nor speed up the process in any way if people complain. The situation is that with all these 100+ millions, the scope changed and the project got huge and implementation time is way longer than initially aimed. That s the rwcent situation, they will not change it as they want the big thing, a milestone in gaming history. So, wait and be patient.

Viajero · Dec 17, 2016

*Mod hat off

RhymeRhyme said:
I say all the folks should stay cool. I will not help nor speed up the process in any way if people complain. The situation is that with all these 100+ millions, the scope changed and the project got huge and implementation time is way longer than initially aimed. That s the rwcent situation, they will not change it as they want the big thing, a milestone in gaming history. So, wait and be patient.

There is also another potential explanation to why CIG "decided to change the scope" and which is not as glamourous as yours: Simply because they saw they could not even deliver the 2014 original goal as promised at the time (technical limitations, whatever). The extra money rolling in sadly allowed them a great way out: Announcing that the vision now was bigger, the BDSSE. And therefore buying time.

VidarSnipes · Dec 17, 2016

By the way, if the schedule report is based on real CIG internal dates, I wonder when will CIG realize that their estimates are way too optimistic.

MarcusReed · Dec 17, 2016

[video=youtube;cpdTSMj-jIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpdTSMj-jIU[/video]
[video=youtube;e9JgXvBX73s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9JgXvBX73s[/video]

Vasea Azure · Dec 17, 2016

ianw said:
Just read that Crusader isn't currently enabled - so no ship flying right now?

Any idea why? First they removed the training part, now "baby PU"? I`m not downloading 50GB just to fly COD in space arena commander....

MarcusReed · Dec 17, 2016

mordin86 said:
Any idea why? First they removed the training part, now "baby PU"? I`m not downloading 50GB just to fly COD in space arena commander....

They disabled the PU to focus testing on Star Marine. They did the same for AC updates and PU updates as well.

Osmanthus · Dec 17, 2016

SlickReed said:
They disabled the PU to focus testing on Star Marine. They did the same for AC updates and PU updates as well.

Something tells me that's not why they disabled the PU.

MarcusReed · Dec 17, 2016

Osmanthus said:
Something tells me that's not why they disabled the PU.

They disabled AC before for PU updates as well in the past. Technically some people are able to get into the PU prob a bug thru a workaround.

Osmanthus · Dec 17, 2016

SlickReed said:
They disabled AC before for PU updates as well in the past. Technically some people are able to get into the PU prob a bug thru a workaround.

I don't buy it. I think what they had to do to get SM to work probably broke the PU.

Of course I may be wrong, but given CIG's incompetence I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not.

Sterlino · Dec 17, 2016

the vanduul ship is unbelievable amazing.
i felt chills on my spine during the vanduul trailer

maybe the winter will come earlier on StarCitizen rather that on Elite ?

Voivod · Dec 17, 2016

"Emergent Gameplay" rofl..

They should add that to the 10 different ways to play Star Citizen.

spacebum · Dec 17, 2016

RhymeRhyme said:
So, wait and be patient.

Been hearing the same thing for years now and so far CIG has very little to show for their efforts.

Be patient. Wait. Pledge, pledge and pledge again.

Voivod · Dec 17, 2016

Sterlino said:
the vanduul ship is unbelievable amazing.
i felt chills on my spine during the vanduul trailer

Chills in your spine? Not sure if you're serious...

Sterlino said:
maybe the winter will come earlier on StarCitizen rather that on Elite ?

I see you're not familiar with Star Citizen development.

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spacebum said:
Been hearing the same thing for years now and so far CIG has very little to show for their efforts.

Be patient. Wait. Pledge, pledge and pledge again.

Almost... you're supposed to pledge before and after the "patient" and before the "Wait".

Cmdr Eagleboy · Dec 17, 2016

RhymeRhyme said:
I say all the folks should stay cool. I will not help nor speed up the process in any way if people complain. The situation is that with all these 100+ millions, the scope changed and the project got huge and implementation time is way longer than initially aimed. That s the rwcent situation, they will not change it as they want the big thing, a milestone in gaming history. So, wait and be patient.

Sorry, no, not gonna happen. This project is DOA.

Also you can't make it "a big thing in gaming history". It doesn't work like that. Players, critics, overall public decides if it's "big" and "good". Major task of developer is to make game which is fun and interesting to play. Everything else is just...collateral.