Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.

[Ian Skippy]

Don't know - I don't make a habit of counting them. As to the proportion of the player-base, it might be better to consider them as a proportion of the forum user-base (recognising that the vast majority of players have not registered on the forums).

Not when they register specifically to whine. If they count you need to considered everyone who didnt register because they didnt get ganked. Beyond that, I find it an odd statement again "If PvPers are so great, why are there so many angry posts about them online?"

Change 'PvPers' with 'black people' and see how far you get without reporting yourself.

 

[Littlerift]

Right, so surely that means seeing a few whines every week about being shot with no context or vids means...nothing.

Well it depends if you extrapolate the numbers upwards, reasoning that the small size of the forum community means that the true rate is being reported low, or if you extrapolate down by reasoning that events such as ganking are likely to generate a high incidence:report rate ratio.

I don't have any particular feeling either way. As I said earlier, I don't think the issue for most people is that rate of ganking but the risk of it. You can argue that the risk is exaggerated, which may well be true, but that not ever going to be enough to convince people to leave Solo if the risk is their reason for avoiding Open.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Well it depends if you extrapolate the numbers upwards, reasoning that the small size of the forum community means that the true rate is being reported low, or if you extrapolate down by reasoning that events such as ganking are likely to generate a high incidence:report rate ratio.

I don't have any particular feeling either way. As I said earlier, I don't think the issue for most people is that rate of ganking but the risk of it. You can argue that the risk is exaggerated, which may well be true, but that not ever going to be enough to convince people to leave Solo if the risk is their reason for avoiding Open.

Fair enough. To the people who dont like the risk as a principle no C&P will help, nor should it. If people dont want to play with me, thats perfectly fine. I'm arguing for the people who would like Open depending on how frequent 'griefing' happens.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Not when they register specifically to whine. If they count you need to considered everyone who didnt register because they didnt get ganked. Beyond that, I find it an odd statement again "If PvPers are so great, why are there so many angry posts about them online?"

Change 'PvPers' with 'black people' and see how far you get without reporting yourself.

As mentioned earlier, resorting to agrumentum ad absurdum in relation to comparing play-styles is, in my opinion, inappropriate.

 

[VR Lucian Arkright]

Fair enough. To the people who dont like the risk as a principle no C&P will help, nor should it. If people dont want to play with me, thats perfectly fine. I'm arguing for the people who would like Open depending on how frequent 'griefing' happens.

And I will fight for your best game experience Open mode too, just as I also believe that those who wish for a different and no less valid game experience should be able to enjoy there's too.

 

[MarkAusten]

Believe it or not, but its probably the beard I have started to cultivate. Then again, it could be that everything that covers my face works, dont have the stats on it.



Oh, sure, there is a wide margin of error. The discussion of PvE versus PvP is silly ayway. IMHO (warning: no stats at all!) there are four groups of cmdrs:

1) Solo. For people with no interest in multiplay at all, or no connection good enough. I suspect this is actually of the four groups the largest.
2) PvP. People who primarily PvP, and PvE only to support it. I suspect this is the smallst group.
3) Strictly MP-PvE. People who want a PvE mode, disabled hitboxed, 'overseers' making sure there is no foul play, automatic compensation etc etc.
4) General MP. People who dont do PvP (much) but do want the option of PvP.

My point is that 4) is larger than 3), and that 1)+2)+4)+ is FAR larger than 3).



Hopefully, but I am not sure if my potato can run it. I'm on an athlon II X4 with 6GB ram.

For 1) and 2) I absolutely agree. I don't know about the 3) and 4) split however, just that 1)+3) is possibly the majority of the player base, whatever that might be, as suggested by Mark Allen saying that the majority of the players don't do PvP. That suggests that the majority he talks about does not include 4) but there again, it could be that 1)+3+4) comprise the majority. And I agree with your 4) > 3) point.

I'd be well interested in videos of your rampage. I don't do combat PvP myself but I can appreciate watch it done well by others.

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Don't know - I don't make a habit of counting them. As to the proportion of the player-base, it might be better to consider them as a proportion of the forum user-base (recognising that the vast majority of players have not registered on the forums).

Can I ask where you got that interesting snipped of data from, please. The bit about the vast majority of player not registering on the forums.

thanks.

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Right, so surely that means seeing a few whines every week about being shot with no context or vids means...nothing.

Fair point but is does surely get up one's nose a lot!

 

[Mr_Blastman]

As mentioned earlier, resorting to agrumentum ad absurdum in relation to comparing play-styles is, in my opinion, inappropriate.

He makes a good point though... Sleutel hit the nail on the head.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

Rubbish. That was not my experience with some of your lot in Mobius and no, I did not log but exploded. Hypocrisy at its finest. Don't bother trying to justify it because I won't rise to it.

When the mobius forums are used to coordinate BGS attacks on PvP-groups' systems, that makes anyone flying in said group a valid and fair target.
As far as 4v4's go (or even 6v6's), SDC won the PvP league undefeated. And it was fun as hell!

 

[jasonbarron]

For 1) and 2) I absolutely agree. I don't know about the 3) and 4) split however, just that 1)+3) is possibly the majority of the player base, whatever that might be, as suggested by Mark Allen saying that the majority of the players don't do PvP. That suggests that the majority he talks about does not include 4) but there again, it could be that 1)+3+4) comprise the majority. And I agree with your 4) > 3) point.

I'd be well interested in videos of your rampage. I don't do combat PvP myself but I can appreciate watch it done well by others.

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Can I ask where you got that interesting snipped of data from, please. The bit about the vast majority of player not registering on the forums.

thanks.

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Fair point but is does surely get up one's nose a lot!

I don't care about video of the rampage, it's video of the beard that I want!

 

[Ian Skippy]

I don't care about video of the rampage, it's video of the beard that I want!

Hey, no need to divide the community up even further. I may go for the 'webcam-on-my-face-in-the-bottom-corner' approach.

 

[thorn-]

ED has over 1.6 million players (see trade reports.

Small correction: ED has sold 1.6 million copies of the game. That doesn't = 1.6 million players, and certainly not 1.6 Mil active players.

 

[Ian Skippy]

As mentioned earlier, resorting to agrumentum ad absurdum in relation to comparing play-styles is, in my opinion, inappropriate.

I dont think it is appropriate to tar everyone with the same brush because of the actions of individuals in the group. If that is an argumentum ad absurdum in your books I'll drop it, but I am having great difficulty seeing your line of reasoning. It may help if you could tell me where the line is drawn, by pointing out which groups are okay and which are not.

 

[MarkAusten]

I don't care about video of the rampage, it's video of the beard that I want!

That's it! Where's the bucket...

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Small correction: ED has sold 1.6 million copies of the game. That doesn't = 1.6 million players, and certainly not 1.6 Mil active players.

Correction. FDev have sold 1.6 million units in the Elite area of FDev. There is no breakdown of how much of that is Elite the Game and Elite the merchandise. Also, to complicate thing further, many players have more than one account so you cannot equate games sold to players either.

 

[frostypaw]

Er, I think you missed the point. It wasn't anything to do with Mobius represent the PvE community, more what portion of the majority of the player base the Mobius membership represents.

Sorry you got confused there.

And no, the proportions are not well established unfortunately. We have hints and suggestions but that's about it.

I've not been confused at all lol

There are attempts here to claim the size of the Mobius group is in some way indicative of the size of the PvE playerbase and that's hilariously wrong. The proportions in almost every poll with PvP vs PvE outright context or subtext has consistently been around 1/4 PvP even when they've tried to swing it.

 

[MarkAusten]

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And you being insulting doesn't do your cause any good at all either.

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I've not been confused at all lol

There are attempts here to claim the size of the Mobius group is in some way indicative of the size of the PvE playerbase and that's hilariously wrong. The proportions in almost every poll with PvP vs PvE outright context or subtext has consistently been around 1/4 PvP even when they've tried to swing it.

That maybe the case but Steutelbos and I were discussing just what I said in my post and not what you posted in reply. At least I think we were...

 

[Spiridon]

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Quite the opposite, my friend. The forums are dominated with PvPers demanding more victims.

You're an extreme minority, but boy oh boy are you loud...

 

[Ian Skippy]

Quite the opposite, my friend. The forums are dominated with PvPers demanding more victims.

You're an extreme minority, but boy oh boy are you loud...

I have so much difficulty following the logic of some here.

"All polls show PvE is preferred here!"
"Thats because there are more PvE players on this forum."
"No, this forum is dominated by PvP players!"

:S

"PvE mode is crucial, look at the 40k Mobius members!"
"Thats actually not that much..."
"Stop using the Mobius numbers!'

:S

"We need an Open PvE mode because Open is filled with dangerous griefers and gankers!"
"Which is why FD is considering offering more rewards in open to compensate for the increased risk."
"! Open isnt that dangerous at all, the vast majority of the bubble is completely as in Solo/PG!"

:S

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

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I never thought I would give a SDC member rep. I may not agree with the tone of the post but what you said is true.

 

[verminstar]

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Fer every whining thread about pvprs, there is an equal and sometimes greater number of whine threads from pvprs complaining about open being a wasteland, then insulting everyone in their angst. Yer own comment doesnt exactly help yer cause, but its amusing seeing words like hugbox being used.

 

[Littlerift]

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If what you say about the forums were true then this thread wouldn't consists of 63 pages of back and forth. And certainly such a disparaging and unwarranted antagonistic approach is never going to get you anything you want.

Why do you have to dislike anybody? This constant seeking of people to hate is what gets SDC and the wider PvP community its bad name.