Annnnnd the thread loops back to the beginning.
Post that list you made, that never gets tiresome. /s
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The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Annnnnd the thread loops back to the beginning.
Post that list you made, that never gets tiresome. /s
Still, at least 2016 saw the results of CR's brilliant tactical pivot to "refocusing on VR support."
Flashback to a year ago!
Star Citizen’s long-promised virtual reality support arrives in 2016
Star Citizen has a lot going for it. It’s the highest-grossing crowdfunded game ever, one of the prettiest PC games ever made – as well as one of the most ambitious – but it has thus far not received the best virtual reality support. Back before the original Oculus DK1 even began shipping, Star Citizen‘s developers promised robust VR integration. That may finally arrive this year.
Lead developer Chris Roberts announced the change during an end-of-year livestream, saying that there were a lot of updates for VR that Cloud Imperium needed to implement into Star Citizen, but that it had been busy with the Alpha 2.0 and 2.1 updates most recently. However in the year ahead, he said that they would be pushing to get “the guys in Frankfurt,” to work on better VR implementation (via RoadToVR).
While a few chaps in a certain city might not sound like much, Roberts’ explained that those very people were the ones who helped develop some of the early VR efforts at Crytek, laying the foundation for more recent, notable VR games like The Climb and Robinson: The Journey.
Roberts also insisted that Star Citizen would support all major virtual reality headsets – which for now means the Oculus Rift CV1 and the HTC Vive – but there are probably some more not too far away.
With more than $100 million in crowdfunding though, nobody is worried that Star Citizen won’t have the resources or manpower not to deliver on this promise.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming...ised-virtual-reality-support-arrives-in-2016/
hear that? NOBODY IS WORRIED. NOBODY.
(flips the switch)
Flashback to a year ago!
Star Citizen’s long-promised virtual reality support arrives in 2016
Star Citizen has a lot going for it. It’s the highest-grossing crowdfunded game ever, one of the prettiest PC games ever made – as well as one of the most ambitious – but it has thus far not received the best virtual reality support. Back before the original Oculus DK1 even began shipping, Star Citizen‘s developers promised robust VR integration. That may finally arrive this year.
Lead developer Chris Roberts announced the change during an end-of-year livestream, saying that there were a lot of updates for VR that Cloud Imperium needed to implement into Star Citizen, but that it had been busy with the Alpha 2.0 and 2.1 updates most recently. However in the year ahead, he said that they would be pushing to get “the guys in Frankfurt,” to work on better VR implementation (via RoadToVR).
While a few chaps in a certain city might not sound like much, Roberts’ explained that those very people were the ones who helped develop some of the early VR efforts at Crytek, laying the foundation for more recent, notable VR games like The Climb and Robinson: The Journey.
Roberts also insisted that Star Citizen would support all major virtual reality headsets – which for now means the Oculus Rift CV1 and the HTC Vive – but there are probably some more not too far away.
With more than $100 million in crowdfunding though, nobody is worried that Star Citizen won’t have the resources or manpower not to deliver on this promise.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming...ised-virtual-reality-support-arrives-in-2016/
hear that? NOBODY IS WORRIED. NOBODY.
(flips the switch)
Since you asked so nicely.
Perhaps you and Orlando can fail to find some lies in it again.
THE LIST
Initial release 2014 (didn't happen)
Ship sales (overpriced engineering debt)
Dates (all missed so far)
Flight model (man it's bad)
Likely completion decade (if at all)
Use of backer funds (the backers will never know)
Wild theory-crafting (everything not available to play)
Pay2win (it is)
Comparisons with ED (ED is the BDSSE)
NMS (going the same way)
Derek Smart (he was right)
Citcon 2016 (disastrous)
3.0 (not in 2016)
Refunds (get em while you can)
Scapegoating (Derek, Illphonic, leavers)
The new TOS (your money is ours we don't need to make a game)
Development start date (it was October 2011)
Star Marine (on again, off again, already in the game)
Illphonic (CiG gave them the wrong scale to work to)
RSI forum (cast out the unbelievers)
Freelancer (history repeating)
Underdog act (CiG/RSI are now a multinational multimillion dollar business)
Sandworms (Frank Herberts IP)
Coffee machines (Lol)
Blood oxygen levels (no space in the game)
Chris Roberts physics expert (he isn't)
Legalistic bluff called (the escapist)
Labelling backers (goon, special snowflakes, high maintenance, toxic dinks)
Accusations of corporate espionage (beer4thebeergod)
INN ( Run by a rep management company, less viewers than pgabz)
Star citizen subreddit (controversial tab concealed by default, brigading)
PG birds (scopecreep on the fly)
Handcrafted universe superior to PG (this may take some time)
Switching focus from handcrafting to PG (NMS/ED bandwagon)
PU neglected for SQ42 (vast majority of backers want PU)
CR thinks he's making a movie (repeatedly says "movie" when he means "game")
Mocap (hollywood obsession)
Build your own studio (repeatedly)
Expensive reshoots (repeatedly)
Renting the imaginarium (most expensive in the world)
"Original" artwork (other studios logo's still visible)
Ongoing scopecreep (cargocult)
Physical relocation to hollywood (they trade on the internet)
100 systems at launch (they'd need decades for this)
Tusken raiders (George lucas's IP)
Nipple jets (jetpacks not required for EVA)
Killer door control (no space in the game)
Refactoring (does not mean what you think it means)
Top Gun "inspired" stuff (Hornet ad and inverted finger)
Monthly patches (have never been monthly)
Tutorial broken ("fixed" by removing it completely)
Ships don't spawn correctly (very old bug)
Random ship explosion (very old bug)
Multicrew numbers exceed player maximum
FPS not impressive (in an FPS engine)
Animations are glitchy
No VR support (you can't just add it later)
The "patcher" is a complete download everytime
Chat UI unchanged (CR said it would be changed live)
Crash reporter not reporting information
Staff retention issues (leavers)
CR makes unrealistic demands (from the man himself)
Lack of internal coordination (seat numbers)
STOP SAYING 'VERSE (Joss Wheedon IP)
New ship direct copy from final fantasy (can't be bothered with CIG name)
SUB LIST THE CULT
Claim to be the voice of backers (actually internet loonies)
Greymarket (you can't say black market that sounds illegal)
Deterring customers (the prospect of playing a game with them)
Run a hate sub (r/dereksmart)
Hatesub moderators shared with greymarket (financial motive)
Interference with the ED forum (exposed gaming the rep system)
Brigading
Threats
Death threats
Abuse
Misinformation
Review bombing competition (LOD ED NMS COD:IW)
Journalist intimidation ("wah" clickbait)
Suppressing the truth (happily embrace positive lies)
Paranoia (they see Derek everywhere)
Encouraging purchases (whilst applying the above)
False claims about ED's development time
Yaw is not a dirty word
Living embodiment of the Streisand effect
I.ll write ya a PM.
Its going way too off topic if we continue this here.
1.
CIG was from the start completely Unprofessionell
For Professionals they talk way too much.
Professional Companies will usually not tell you anything until its Guaranteed to work.
But as I said before. Expecting Roberts to be making Cool Headed Decisions and Realistic Assumptions is ridiculous.
This guy is a Dreamer.
From the Start CIG shared tons of Information presenting Development in Progress and even Parts of the Game.
Any Professional Company knows. That making such Stuff Public Hurts them more than it helps because the Difference between Finished Product and Early Alpha Builds just is tremendous.
But they went ahead with it anyways
Compared to that. His move of indirectly canceling the announcement with a somewhat backhanded statement and then staying Silent on the Issues. Is almost too Professional.
it feels like someone else took Command of the thing. *gg*
2.
Simple answer.
They dont.
They dont give a crab about People on the Fence about this.
They got a Giant Base of Loyal Fans. So the widespread Haters only add Advertising.
Did you know. Some Companies even fake Scandals to get Attention.
Meanwhile SC is in the News every Week about whatever.
As long as Negative News stay Diffuse and remain Claims rather than Proven Facts it Serves their Purpose.
Now I must Admit I dont know how most Single Player Game Devs work on this.
But the MMOs I played almost exclusively worked this way.
3.
I learned English in a Game named Tibia.
Mostly from Brazilians which were a Big Guild that was Allied with our German Guild
So while its true that I will almost certainly get alot of Special Words wrong. I do know what Shoddy means.
I learned it because some Games have "Shoddy" Equipment which is low Grade stuff xD
<--- Feel Free to have a Laugh. But that is in Fact how I learned English. ^^
The English Teacher in my Apprenticeship said that my understanding of English is Real good for a not Native Speaker. But my Dialect Sounds like I am some Latino Gang Rapper xD
Needless to say that the Class had a Good laugh as well when I told them that I learned English in a Video Game mostly from Brazilians *gg*
As for the actual Point.
Well. As I said.
Its not exactly the most Honorful thing to do.
But it is an Reasonable Course.
Announcing their own Incompetence would not appease haters, would not win the trust of skepticals and would also not convince anyone.
So leaving the doubt open is in this case the better choice.
Unfair ?
Yes maybe.
But lets be Realistic here.
Would you rather have the make up some Announcement and Lie to you ?
Or do you really think that announcing that they are inexperienced and thus messed up the estimates would be better PR than just staying Silent ?
Yes. There is no excuse for not being upfront with us and telling us the truth. There is no substitute for honesty and integrity.
I am starting to feel that CIG lack both.
Thats why Professional Companies do not tell you anything to begin with *gg*
If you dont know anything. They can tell you anything later on without fearing that you can make it out to be a Lie.
So let me repeat that Question which you nicely Ignored.
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Would you rather have the make up some Announcement and Lie to you ?
Or do you really think that announcing that they are inexperienced and thus messed up the estimates would be better PR than just staying Silent ?
"
Dont demand a Company to Shoot its own Feet just because it would be more honest than keeping their Mouth Shut
Have you met British people in real life? It's what we do: moan, complain, excessive sarcasm, constant attempts at making jokes... if we actually like something/someone it usually gets worse. [hehe]
3.
I learned English in a Game named Tibia.
Mostly from Brazilians which were a Big Guild that was Allied with our German Guild
So while its true that I will almost certainly get alot of Special Words wrong. I do know what Shoddy means.
I learned it because some Games have "Shoddy" Equipment which is low Grade stuff xD
<--- Feel Free to have a Laugh. But that is in Fact how I learned English. ^^
The English Teacher in my Apprenticeship said that my understanding of English is Real good for a not Native Speaker. But my Dialect Sounds like I am some Latino Gang Rapper xD
Needless to say that the Class had a Good laugh as well when I told them that I learned English in a Video Game mostly from Brazilians *gg*
Bahaha, that's awesome. I know a guy from Slovakia who learned English from rap albums and he sounds like an LA gangsta. [big grin] Whatever works and you seem to have a really good handle on the language except the capital letter thing!
Anyway, back on topic...
Oh and happy 141Million Everyone!
You say that like it's a good thing. They have $141 million of pre-orders (minus some of the Kickstarter fluff) to fulfill, so it sits on the negative side of the balance sheet.
Plus that's $141 million that is already taken out of the potential market if/when they commercially release.
So... assuming that CIG release a game that has costed close to this amount of money to develop, where is the money going forward to come from? Most of the people who would buy the game are already in. Should we expect to see on-going ship sales or a subscription model to pay the server/bandwidth/maintenance/expansion bills as I really can't see that Star Citizen is sustainable otherwise?
Or, as certain people have mentioned here, will SC remain in a constant alpha/beta phase and pull in money from existing backers?
Thats why Professional Companies do not tell you anything to begin with *gg*
If you dont know anything. They can tell you anything later on without fearing that you can make it out to be a Lie.
So let me repeat that Question which you nicely Ignored.
"
Would you rather have the make up some Announcement and Lie to you ?
Or do you really think that announcing that they are inexperienced and thus messed up the estimates would be better PR than just staying Silent ?
"
Dont demand a Company to Shoot its own Feet just because it would be more honest than keeping their Mouth Shut
I already answered your question. Perhaps we just have different expectations for what counts as acceptable behaviour from companies we are willing to support?
Thats why Professional Companies do not tell you anything to begin with *gg*
If you dont know anything. They can tell you anything later on without fearing that you can make it out to be a Lie.
So let me repeat that Question which you nicely Ignored.
"
Would you rather have the make up some Announcement and Lie to you ?
Or do you really think that announcing that they are inexperienced and thus messed up the estimates would be better PR than just staying Silent ?
"
Dont demand a Company to Shoot its own Feet just because it would be more honest than keeping their Mouth Shut
I think that the problem is that CIG claimed to be doing open development, and their actions (including silence on important matters) absolutely contradicts this. In a normal game dev situation this wouldn't matter. CIG's own words and their funding method make this a very abnormal case.
So... either they lie (not open), say nothing (not open), or actually give something that might approximate the truth* for the reasons behind the delays (open).
EDIT: * By this I don't mean all of the gory details at one end, or meaningless fluff at the other, but something as simple as a bullet list of problem areas and maybe a line on proposed solutions. A vaguely competent manager could pull this together very quickly - assuming the management structure is in place, and if it isn't then CIG are screwed (my semi-professional opinion as I've spent several years working with business process guys
).
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Yep.
Thats why I said they pretty much backed themselves into a Corner with it.
They kept giving out Tons of Information. Most of which the Community could not really make anything out of.
But which of course could be used to Discredit the Project.
Of course now suddenly doing a swing and staying Silent.
Is going to create a backlash.
But and thats what I am going to be Honest about.
Even with that Backlash from the Skeptical People.
It is likely the Choice which will cost em less than if they were to Continue releasing Information which is then taken apart to Discredit them.
Then, to put it bluntly, they've been throwing out a lot of data but not actual information... information being that data processed in a way to actually, um, inform!
Lists of facts mean nothing without context, and the classic way of hiding a fact that you don't want people to pick up on is by making it 87th on a list with 99 other facts around it.
Where this catches you out is when readers go back and go through the list in fine detail, and actually do the analysis themselves. So, in the long run it's usually better to do that analysis yourself first so that you control the narrative.
AKA corporate politics 101 [wink]
Well, a lot of the information that they have released hasn't been accurate in the first place, and when things have slipped there has been no basic explanation why, simply let go and not spoken of again.
They have absolutely painted themselves into the corner in this regard to the point that unless they come completely clean they are damned whatever they do.
It is 100% their own fault: on a PR level and a management level they have behaved in a completely unprofessional fashion. Unforgivable in a company 1/10th the size, a slow-motion car crash for CIG.
I wish the actual devs well! I also hope that SC gets a good release so that the backers get a good product, but I really can't see it happening.
I've just been watching "The Know"'s spot on the encounter, which ends with Gus Sorola - a long time SC fan - muttering that he's off to buy Elite. And of course, people will be throwing money at Bioware when ME:A lands. CIG really need to pull their thumbs out, stop mucking around with mo-cap and ship sales, and get some gameplay in there - because the rest of the industry is moving on and giving people other things to spend money on.
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Some people may find this interesting(Although I don't think has really much to do with SC), from reddit:
Lumberyard Engine Demo
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...beryard_engine_demo_cant_wait_to_see_planets/
Lumberyard Engine Demo
[video=youtube;Tcuv9z7bW3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcuv9z7bW3k[/video]
That was a surprisingly pleasing report, how strange to see so many non ED players captivated by the encounter and odd to see the Thargoids being discussed again in the same manner as the playground in my youth. It seems to be the fact Frontier were able to hide something in the game that had to be found which has captured the imagination, rather than the content itself which is still largely a mystery. Maybe there is something to classic imagination augmented gameplay afterall. Nice to see other gaming communities, including SC and NMS having positive things to say regarding ED too.
Yayyy I saw a difference!
It's horrible, isn't it? The way free speech is often stifled by a gang of forum bullies with virtual baseball bats making sure everyone is kept in line.
I don't understand why Citizens seem to hate Citizens so much. Over a game.
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That is worrying, not so much what they are sating but the fact these people are out there.
I do like how they've latched onto "oh but they were building a company for 2 years after the kickstarter" LOL, how exactly do you spend two years building a company without working on a product? What about all those things CIG were working on according to Wingmans hanger and all the other vids they put out during that time?? All lies???
Please, someone tell me I did actually just read that!! "I'm sorry love but you can't come into the shop to collect your groceries, we are building the business for the next two years so we can't be letting customers in" ROFLMAO!!!!!
Seriously?? They're nuts, completely nuts.
I'm probably going to eat another probation over there for tainting the sacred RSI holy land forums, I could not resist adding to that, well whatever it was.
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That is worrying, not so much what they are sating but the fact these people are out there.
I do like how they've latched onto "oh but they were building a company for 2 years after the kickstarter" LOL, how exactly do you spend two years building a company without working on a product? What about all those things CIG were working on according to Wingmans hanger and all the other vids they put out during that time?? All lies???
Please, someone tell me I did actually just read that!! "I'm sorry love but you can't come into the shop to collect your groceries, we are building the business for the next two years so we can't be letting customers in" ROFLMAO!!!!!
Seriously?? They're nuts, completely nuts.
I'm probably going to eat another probation over there for tainting the sacred RSI holy land forums, I could not resist adding to that, well whatever it was.
And they call the folks here "crazy", "hateful" and "losing touch with reality"....
Its time for "LeSabres analogy corner" (Trademarked, do not Archer unless for fair use in space games):
It's like walking past an insane asylum to go to the shop, and all of a sudden the entire facility erupts with laughter as the residents pour scorn on us for being so crazy and misguided that we have to venture 'outside' to collect our groceries, while they can lounge in their soft comfortable rooms and have the porter slide their food under the door for them.
It's a mad world.
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