The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Aren't all his posts like that?
You can ignore him but then you'll miss all the gems he posts like calling other people cultists ;D
I agree very much on that. At first I was sighing tired of the complete disregard of his post thinking he might mix up forums (I m sure he got a lot of forums to cover in his job
) simply posting his regular warbringer stuff but then I read his whole post and was on the brink of lol. Theres no need to reply to his posts in general because he doesnt read em anyway but his posts sure offer some comical gems often While some others here "go to war" for personal reasons (aka white knight) just covering it up under the name of neutrality (take a look at Rolan for that behaviour folks) this particular poster certainly demonstrates a "professional" attitude. I m sure I wouldnt last in his line of work for a day
141 million dollars in debt and rising. Is the basic statement of that copy-paste because so far CiG hasnt delivered (see Stigbobs list for reference so far uncontested) any tangible.
I bookmarked the link and will read it later for my "dessert"
I love to read fictional, bordering illusional stuff. The fact that they heavily moderate their comment section is just a nice bonus. From a first overlook the whole article is ripe with fantasies and hypothetical confirmation about non-existant stuff. I d say its either made to give a counter to all the realistic assessments of SC which are shockingly all too often sceptical or outright negative or simply an attempt to drag new blood on the vapor train before it derails. Tho for that it should ve been a site witha lot of traffic while this one looks more like an echo chamber.Following the link to this article some select replies which underline why I admire this thread and its posters so much. People are willing to LOOK and pour in effort to analyze stuff in order to make up their mind. And instead of simply saying "didnt like it" are able to support their opinon with logical facts easily followable by anybody who understands the concept of logic.
The obvious mistake pro-SC people do is to compare released games having factual features and mechanics with "the dream" which didnt yet arrive but will be coming soon according to Chris Roberts. Thats a differentiation everybody is responsible to make for himself. Some people prefer to ignore the truth and live in a nice world. Others are unable to approach the subject in a way that enables them to see the ugly facts so need some helping. SC followers ask for neutraility and an open mind when it comes to SC. I watched a few youtibers in the past trying that exact approach and coming to their own (negative) opinion only to get ripped apart and bomb-voted afterwards by the SC-swarm (notacult). This directly proves the echochamber-theory regarding RIS and supports the cult-like status of the whole project. Either you are with us or we ll kill you. There is no middle ground allowed. Criticism is an open declaration of war. When somebody is your enemy its okay to send death threats and be abusive, neglect any kind of human politness.
All things you can find in any anti-SC video or article as well as the RSI forum.
No, this does not apply to EVERY SC backer. I m quite sure there are a lot of level-headed folks who remain impartial and are able to follow an critical opinion without having a rage attack or start frothing at the mouth but reality is that it seems that these mature minds do not participate heavily in posting as the overall tone is drowned out with toxic behaviour making it easy to generalize EVERYBODY whos a SC fan (like Rolan for example).
Many of the pro-SC posts in this thread are designed to mock and taunt (see Orlando). Just keep your cool, ignore helps if you feel you are unable to resist the lure. Personally I think I would ve falled into his traps several times if not for the posters of this thread handling him amiably
So newspapers and book authors are childish.....check.
The difference being the tone of those camps of course. In the end intentions probably are the same. Records are existing to call out whoever loses this "battle" and in the meantime have a good time at the cost of these people by mocking and prodding. Its just sad that the group dedicated to recording everything Mr.Smart does or say also attracts the crazy crowd but of course a logical consequence. Therefore such things are not really "childish" (only the improper use of these recordings is) but very much needed in order to backtrack and proof in hindsight the intentions and accountability of said parties. If you are participating in a large crowd be ready to be called upon what you said in the past. You cannot suddenly change your tone or promises on a whim because there are RECORDS of what you really said. Of course how much weight you have in such discussions is directly linked to the accuracy of your posts or contributions forcing you to stay a CLEAR opinion and BACK IT UP with proof. If all you can do is being as vague as possible and continue making promises of stuff which hasnt materialized in the real world yet you end up with less and less people listening to you or putting any weight of whatever you say. I believe this is exactly what happened over the years to the point where the majority of people simply dont care about SC anymore because of the lack of results and the obvious blindfolders worn by the followers.
I recently had a discussion with a SC-fan I know for years and had on my friends-list. By accident we established the fact that we both are following the project. Initial reaction was being amused to realize we are in contradicting camps so the questioning started. Whatever point I brought up, whatever question I had....he was able to answer them all with certainty and being unfaced by my doubts. We remained polite and friendly but established that neither of us would be able to move the others position in any way. I labeled him "gullible" or "delusional" in secret and I m sure he tagged me as "hater" and "DS drone" in his mind but that doesnt change the fact that this person deserves my respect we have a history together which made him my friend in the first place. Now by covering two extreme camps one of us will be proven wrong at the end of all this. Whoever that is remains to be seen as only time will tell. Until then I d like to continue my friendly relationship with that person and I hope he does too. Which requires that we both avoid that particular topic until more light can be shed on the whole thing.
This thread of course goes round and round in topics because the opposing parties are reduced to participants which tried but cannot sway the other side in their opinion, only being updated and refreshed when something notable happens from CiG (copyright infringement, delays, new videoi, shill article etc). Whats difference of course is the tone of both camps. While one side remains IMO civil and polite and is ready to hand out the benefit of the doubt without being hostile (many of these folks are british....yes, they have a thing for cyninism....its a cultural thing) the other one openly relies on hostile mocking, name calling and offensive use of the ignore function which of course makes their contribution only weaker because they reduce the feedback and input to like-minded posts instead of handling the other side at all.....thats what an echo chamber is.
I came to the forums and the whole topic as a pro-SC observer at first. I didnt care about picking a side at all because this kind of thing (backing a dream) doesnt really require signing off your soul and selling your first-bon. After a short time I started to have questions and when I started to participate by asking questions or stating my observations / opinion I was suddenly placed in the middle of a warzone being attacked by one side. This of course pushed me to the other side. Its what happened to the neutral youtubers as well and its that exact behaviour (you get one guess which side that is) which brings people to the conviction that the majority of the SC-camp is a cult, kids, gullible and out of touch with reality.
Which only shows how IMPORTANT it is to remain civil and polite when arguing. Whoever loses his cool has already lost in the eyes of the public. And once you stop caring about what that public thinks....continuing to post the same stuff while holding fingers in your ear going "lalalala" whenever someone answers makes you defacto a troll. So think twice about following that route if you even care about what others might think of you.
Sorry about the wall of text folks but I felt it was needed instead of the short version "you are a troll"
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That article....too much sugar and again, so much obvious fantasy that it hurts.
Must keep that grey market rolling man.
If you have to say you aren't a scam...you are a scam.
Must keep that grey market rolling man.
If you have to say you aren't a scam...you are a scam.
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Viajero
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…on a site that's 5 days old and has already gathered a five-digit following; where the articles are plagiarised from news.au.com; where the same IP holds the single author's personal marketing page (which he immediately took down when this was revealed); and where for the longest time, the SC story topped “Most commented” with zero comments.
Nice SEO:ing there, CIG. Is this a relative of Sandi or something?
Oh wow. Speechless if this has a connection with CIG (no evidence I presume). And amazing if this comes from an ultra fan aswell.
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I nearly missed this serious post.
X-com interceptor is worth a play (it's dirt cheap now, you'll need to patch it for steam) if you are a fan of the franchise and a space sim fan. But the space combat is pretty basic. It's nice being able to issue orders arm and order a wing of the size you think is good into combat based on what you think is required from a scan of an enemy wing. The game has the overall x-com feel to it, but lacks polish and wasn't popular.
As with all x-com games there's a secret to being an easy space millionaire which means you can afford to totally dominate territory with armed interceptor bases which is :
Research and fit tachyon pulser cannons to a wing of ships with no missiles, tachyon pulsers disable enemy craft so you get massive loot from every engagement. It's a risk as tachyon pulsers are not powerful weapons but by ordering your wing to focus on one UFO at a time and by putting your best pilots in that wing you can disable and capture entire enemy wings for stinking great piles of easy cash and new items for research.
I've never got on with the default elite control system, rolling via the x-axis just feels wrong to me and as you say yaw is weak in ED (except in plane sims where I always use it). So what I do with all space sims is map twist rudder to roll, and use x+y axis for pitch and yaw. That way when switching games my controls remain the same but the flying style changes for each game. It works for me and feels more intuitive, although my twist rudder is probably going to wear out.
EDIT : you need this to make it work on windows 8.1 plus http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1722992
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It's an Australian site. Not sure if there's anyone high up in the CIG marketing department with Australian connections?
The domain has only been registered for one year, and is listed as private (not a company). The Twitter account follows nearly 1500 Twitter accounts, many of which haven't tweeted yet; only about 10% of those followed have followed back. As far as I can tell, all of the 20-odd articles are plagiarised except for the Star Citizen, which is the only game review on the site.
The general thrust of the article is "We accept that Star Citizen is a bit rubbish at the moment, but don't lose faith - there's something wonderful just over the horizon". So it appears to be aimed at existing backers, encouraging them to stay with the program and not bail.
If it is sponsored or paid for by CIG/RSI (and there's no evidence that it is), then it looks like an underhand ploy to mislead backers. If it isn't be CIG/RSI, then what on Earth motivated someone to invent a website just to post one original article?
I particulary love how the article goes right off the start by mentioning Derek Smart. As a newcomer or neutral person the obvious question is "who is that guy and why is he quoted? must be someone important" ... looking up Derek Smart .... discovering the whole turmoil the project is in.
Good way to convince anybody of how "successfull" the project is right now haha. Article suicide on first iteration. Refactoring required. Good thing we have "childish" people here who record stuff like that. Makes forming an opinion about that particular article so much easier ^^ +1rep Dooguk
It's bog standard CIG/RSI spin.
Since the project started and initial launch of crowdfunding on Kick-starter back in 2012, the number of “citizens” has grown to an incredible 1.7 million. Nearly two million people signing up to join “the verse” is no small achievement despite what detractors might argue.
"Citizens" doesn't equal paid up backers which doesn't equal unique paid up backers.
And yes - leading off with Derek Smart front and centre in the article is a dead giveaway..
Since the project started and initial launch of crowdfunding on Kick-starter back in 2012, the number of “citizens” has grown to an incredible 1.7 million. Nearly two million people signing up to join “the verse” is no small achievement despite what detractors might argue.
"Citizens" doesn't equal paid up backers which doesn't equal unique paid up backers.
And yes - leading off with Derek Smart front and centre in the article is a dead giveaway..
odd how the original article is by Nick Burke, who now has no articles on the site, and the new article and all the other "articles" pulled from http://www.dailymail.co.uk among others are "by" Andrew Maher
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I cannot take credit for the archiving. Got the link from the Something Awful SC forum. They are way more "childish" than me.
That forum posts more real news about SC than CIG do. [yesnod]
I cannot take credit for the archiving. Got the link from the Something Awful SC forum. They are way more "childish" than me.
That forum posts more real news about SC than CIG do. [yesnod]
They also do great flowcharts - this being a particularly good example.
https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...00238&pagenumber=355&perpage=40#post468077456
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Try Sandy! she got a lot of connections to downunder.
So basically, they just replaced 2016 with 2017. Does this mean that 4.0 and with it system 2/150 promised becomes scheduled for 2018/19 if everything goes as "planned"?
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<Fanfare> We have a winner folks!
I still can't see how they will balance earning ships in game and give those who have bought ships for cash the feeling that they have gotten value for money.
Maybe it's easy to say that these people that bought all these ships will be happy to see freshers earning the same ships in a few hours play. On the converse will those same freshers be happy to have to play for days or weeks of in game play to earn ships? Will there be enough varied interesting content to keep people going for that time I wonder?
Maybe it's easy to say that these people that bought all these ships will be happy to see freshers earning the same ships in a few hours play. On the converse will those same freshers be happy to have to play for days or weeks of in game play to earn ships? Will there be enough varied interesting content to keep people going for that time I wonder?
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
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What does your cold, dark, unforgiving "Derek Smart Alt" heart, tell you Jezzah?
In fact, how will CIG go about balancing ANY part of the (proposed) gameplay elements for Star Citizen, like Trading, or Mining.... Or Bounty Hunting? How will the Crime & Punishment be settled? How about Exploration? Will that be affected by the (proposed) planetary landings in any way?
Somehow, I'm of the opinion that CIG, Roberts and Co have *NO* idea what will happen with any of those gameplay options.... because they never planned for them properly in advance... outside of back of a cigarette packet, last-minute-dot-com ideas that came from other games IPs which Chris Roberts has seen on his "flavour of the month to be Archered" list.
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Those were important questions when it seemed that someday there will be a released game not declared as alpha with persistent player wealth and the possibility to buy ships in game. That was back in 2013.
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