Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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We seem so convinced it's a ship scan, and while I agree that seems most likely, it also seems entirely probable that it is simply re-starting our ships systems for us after noticing it has "Accidentally" disabled us.

"Oops, sorry little buddy, let me fix that for you!"

Like you might if a small child bumped into you and dropped something or some such.

I personally think they're disarming to scan without risk, if they've been keeping an eye on humans, they know some humans shoot first and ask questions later, not unlike reality.
 
That is a very smart observation. Not for your conjecture about the larval queen paralelism, but because it points very well that the aliens are, in fact, so aliens that we may indeed be unable to even understand their thoughts.

However I strongly believe that those aliens are thargoids. If that is the case, and the micoid virus did actually wipe them all, it is logical they chose a different approach this time.

Ender and the larval queen established intelligent communication and understanding. The problem in the original incident in Ender's Game lay in misunderstandings leading towards hostilities that became irrevocable. Both sides have to be willing to communicate and the humans weren't at that point. They weren't willing to consider that it was all just a misunderstanding and the buggers never meant to cause real harm. More than anything, they were just plain scared.
 
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I wonder if it's the hyperdiction itself that causes the systems to go down or if it's some other deliberate act from the ship.
 
I wonder if it's the hyperdiction itself that causes the systems to go down or if it's some other deliberate act from the ship.

Well, initially it may be a cascading failure because of this, but the systems boot up the moment they move outside of range. The timing is a little too precise to be coincidence.
 
We seem so convinced it's a ship scan, and while I agree that seems most likely, it also seems entirely probable that it is simply re-starting our ships systems for us after noticing it has "Accidentally" disabled us.

"Oops, sorry little buddy, let me fix that for you!"

Like you might if a small child bumped into you and dropped something or some such.

Well is it really a scan or help to start?
Prior to the interdiction the background in the hyperspace
tunnel changes to a brownish colour, like swimming through
an area of intense mud/pollen in the deep sea.
The tentacles the ship then uses could be feeding
organs aswell, reminding me of how barnacles feed
by filtering through the water.

The interdiction itself is quite violent,
ramming multiple times.
That ship could try to eat us,
but leave us be due to being too hard a shell
with shields and metal/alloy armor.

At the end, we know nothing.

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I think they are not refueling us. From what i read so far it pulls you back into the system you jumped from, right? Im not sure how Elite handles the fuel consumption, but maybe the fuel used for that jump simply gets "refunded" because you havnt arrived at your destination?

It doesn't make sense using the typical in-game logic - the fuel is normally 'taken' as the FSD counts down so shouldn't come back if the ship is later interdicted and brought back to the same spot. But I think you're right about it, for out-of-game reasons. If someone very low on fuel died because they were hyperdicted when jumping to a scoopable star, there would be war. (I actually think that would be a really epic way to go, but that's just me!)
 
OK first page says:

but then says:

So witch is it? Do I need to get a UA first or no?

Two of our faction's members have been interdicted without them.

You couldn't possibly know anything about wormholes because they are simply theoretical.... So yeah....[/QUOTE said:
I suppose we could also toss out the standard model, quantum physics and the like as well. Your denial of schwarzschild wormholes and the existence of black holes, which utilize the same mechanics, is highly illogical.
 
I personally think they're disarming to scan without risk, if they've been keeping an eye on humans, they know some humans shoot first and ask questions later, not unlike reality.
They have shield systems and that big ship (I'm guessing an anaconda?) loaded with weaponry didn't even seem to scratch its shields. What risk? I thought about the possibility that that "eye" which opens for the "scan" or whatever may be vulnerable, but first you have to get the shields down and I'm not convinced even they could do it going all out during the time of this "scan."
 
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OK first page says:

but then says:

So witch is it? Do I need to get a UA first or no?



Just so others know, I got hyperdicted 'after' I'd discarded a UA, I heard having one increased chance of getting hyperdicted, I went through about 4 systems before deciding enough was enough and jettisoned the UA, it was hurting my beautiful Amelia, anyhow about 2 jumps after, I was hyperdicted.

PS. guess who forgot to bring the camera.
 
One thing we have Seen is just how Quick and Manoeuvrable That ship was.
At the very Least it must have been a Capitol Ship, and capable of Turning far quicker than anything Above a Conda that I have seen so far.

I was in a Python and it felt Puny compared to that Beast.
 
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Just so others know, I got hyperdicted 'after' I'd discarded a UA, I heard having one increased chance of getting hyperdicted, I went through about 4 systems before deciding enough was enough and jettisoned the UA, it was hurting my beautiful Amelia, anyhow about 2 jumps after, I was hyperdicted.

PS. guess who forgot to bring the camera.
Well, no one can establish anything exact on this. The thinking is that having a UA or UP increases the chance but it's statistically low, so it just makes it slightly higher (but still low.) One thing I've been wondering though: what if it's just a matter of having made contact with one at all? When I started trying the day before yesterday and spent a ridiculous number of hours at it with zero results, I had actually never had direct contact with an alien artifact (or if I had it was so long ago as to perhaps no longer have any meaning anyway. To my knowledge, though, I had not. I had basically just avoided them and never gotten close because they're marked as illegal and it just didn't seem worth bothering with to me.) Now, for the first time ever, I actually pick one up. Lo and behold, finally hyperdicted within a very short period.

Now, what if all the people who get hyperdicted who didn't carry a UA or UP had still at least had recent interactions WITH one of them? I won't say every one of them picked one up, but what if just the scan itself is enough? Perhaps it even does something that makes our ships something of a beacon in witchspace. Perhaps charging the hull with some form of energy or something. The time since the last scan might affect how "bright" the beacon is and perhaps the likelihood of anyone actually taking notice.
 
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One thing we have Seen is just how Quick and Manoeuvrable That ship was.
At the very Least it must have been a Capitol Ship, and capable of Turning far quicker than anything Above a Conda that I have seen so far.

I was in a Python and it felt Puny compared to that Beast.


Nah, that was their version of a sidewinder, we're screwed ;)
 
Huh? I thought they pulled people out of hyperspace and into witchspace to gank their asses

Witchspace is generally considered to be same as, or at least part of, hyperspace - if the two are different it's unclear exactly how they relate to each other. Multi-dimensional space of some kind. I always took it to mean the same thing, and witchspace was just Elite's suitably ominous term for it.

So yeah, rumour has it that the Thargoids could pull human ships out of hyperspace, or even attack them within it, but hey, that's just old wives' tales right... ;)
 
Nah, that was their version of a sidewinder, we're screwed ;)
Well, reading up on the original games, the Thargoids always had ridiculously highly maneuverable, huge ships. They did have smaller things that they could release called "thargons" which may just be automated (I didn't see anything saying if any of those were manned... insected?) These came from the bigger ones. But I think it said there were also equivalent to capital ships for the Thargoids? (Darn, where was that article again?) This is probably just more or less a standard for them where money isn't really a serious consideration (maybe nonexistent) to be the best balance of resource usage meaning technologically they could go up or down as needed but this fits most situations the best. Kind of more akin to, say, an Asp Explorer for us as far as balance of things goes maybe. (Sort of like if you could outfit an Asp Explorer with a fighter bay.)
 
Yeah, me too! :)

A question for you while you're in the California Nebula - what's hyperspace like there at the moment? Are you seeing the orange/yellow mottling that appears in the encounter videos? Also, have you had an encounter while there?

I flew from the California Nebula to the Pleiades over the last 2 days or so. I didn't notice any change to the colours or sequence during hyperspace jumps between systems. However I can't help thinking there is a lot more orange mottling now I'm in maia and have just been out to Merope to take a peek there. However I suspect that might be psychosomatic - I'm only seeing it because that's what we think we should see.
 
Well, no one can establish anything exact on this. The thinking is that having a UA or UP increases the chance but it's statistically low, so it just makes it slightly higher (but still low.) One thing I've been wondering though: what if it's just a matter of having made contact with one at all? When I started trying the day before yesterday and spent a ridiculous number of hours at it with zero results, I had actually never had direct contact with an alien artifact (or if I had it was so long ago as to perhaps no longer have any meaning anyway. To my knowledge, though, I had not. I had basically just avoided them and never gotten close because they're marked as illegal and it just didn't seem worth bothering with to me.) Now, for the first time ever, I actually pick one up. Lo and behold, finally hyperdicted within a very short period.

Now, what if all the people who get hyperdicted who didn't carry a UA or UP had still at least had recent interactions WITH one of them? I won't say every one of them picked one up, but what if just the scan itself is enough? Perhaps it even does something that makes our ships something of a beacon in witchspace. Perhaps charging the hull with some form of energy or something. The time since the last scan might affect how "bright" the beacon is and perhaps the likelihood of anyone actually taking notice.


Very interesting idea that any ship that has previously been scanned by a UA or received a transmission by a UP could be marked as a 'person of interest' :)

Would be good to establish beyond doubt if any ship has been hyperdicted that has never had contact with either artifact or carried unknown fragments ie completely 'clean' of alien interaction...
 
Guys, just noticed something: Is it me or the sound the UA emits is very different than usual? Can someone confirm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDpWnqJcfnA

On a side note: I am collecting all theories and observations the Hyperdiction database I built Feel free to check it out and put them to a test!

wow for me its very different, maybe another message , or the scan of the alien ship.

Unfortunately it's not.
That's the background noise the UA makes when is jettisoned into space, because it is decaying. There are a thousand pages in the older threads where I tried to decode that BG noise, but it ended up being just noise. A single unique wav file always looping. Nothing more.

You are used to hear the UA while free floating, without any BG noise.

Imagine how difficult it was to understand the Morse, in the early days, when UA could only be found in Convoys, so always making that hi pitch noise everytime, covering the morse chittering... Huge Kudos from me to Jmanis and Qorbeq even now, many months later ;)
The easier to decode free floaters came only later on...
 
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Very interesting idea that any ship that has previously been scanned by a UA or received a transmission by a UP could be marked as a 'person of interest' :)

Would be good to establish beyond doubt if any ship has been hyperdicted that has never had contact with either artifact or carried unknown fragments ie completely 'clean' of alien interaction...

ahhh that unknown fragment requirement is hard tho. We're gonna need some fresh/reset CMDRs for that :(
 
RPing...

Stories about encounters with Thargoids have been passed down through my family for generations. Frankly some of it's so far fetched I've just thought of it as tall tales to entertain the kids (I mean come on, a single Cobra MkIII taking out an entire alien mothership and all it's drones?). One thing that was the same throughout all the stories though was that the Thargoids pulled you out of witchspace in the middle of nowhere, and I mean nowhere - literally nothing within non-hyperspace range. And the Thargoids attacked immediately and ferociously, with wave after wave of drones and devastating fire from the mothership. Even if you survived the attack, if you didn't have enough fuel for a jump out you were dead. No way you could ever be found. No chance of rescue. No hope.

These new encounters don't sound like the Thargoids of old.

But also what we know points to these being Thargoids...

We don't know how an alien race could act/think. They might have utterly changed their outlook on us after the mycoid virus.

Or, it's a different Thargoid faction. Not necessarily a peaceful faction*, but one that has other motives that don't just include "DESTROY ALL HUMANS."

😂

*The encounter was definitely not a friendly incident (but obviously not hostile either).

I like the way it pushed us aside as though it was like, "whatever, get out of my way." Or maybe it's frustration.

It's as though we're an annoyance that's hindering their goals....

I mean, we've shot the crap out of the barnacles, we keep picking up/moving and destroying the Unknown Artefacts and Probes. We're interfering, and it must be very, very irritating for them.

And now they've come to investigate.

Buuuuuuuuut, if you're carrying UA's, UP's or meta-alloys the encounter doesn't change, which kinda throws what I've just said into question.

Ugh.
 
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