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We heard all the same arguments when Carter was President about how great he was doing in light of the problems he faced. But then we elected someone with a different approach and had a complete reversal of the economic malaise of the Carter years.

Yes, Obama got dealt a bad hand, but never solved any of the lingering issues, he, at best, survived them without making them too much worse. His will be the first administration in the modern era not to ever have had 3% growth in any year. His signature Health Care legislation is collapsing under it's own weight while at the same time creating huge burdens on business and leading to more people having to get multiple part-time jobs than a decent full time job.

The number only tell stories for the people that want to use the ones they like to support their own purposes, but the basic trends of the last several decades are undeniable. They are can be blamed equally on BOTH political parties. That's what makes Trump different - he was opposed by ALL of them on both sides and he defeated them all because voters recognized that he was opposed by the Democrats, the Republicans, AND the PRESS. Many don't even know that Trump was a Democrat.

Trump’s affiliations have gone back and forth. Here’s a quick look:

Month and year of registration
Party affiliation
July 1987
Republican
October 1999
Independence Party
August 2001
Democrat
September 2009
Republican
December 2011
No party affiliation (independent)
April 2012
Republican

By and large both parties (and of course, the press) still oppose him, but the Republican Party seems to be coming to grips with reality, albeit reluctantly. The rest are still in denial and reeling from the loss of power. They're still stunned and continue to double down. moving even further to the left. The more they squeal the more it re-enforces Trump and his supporters that they are doing the right things. The post-election press still hasn't accepted that they're not destroying Trump as they intend, but are actually destroying their own credibility. The difference in how Obama and Trump are treated by the press are undeniable any longer. The sham of "objective journalism" has been destroyed.

Wealthy people in office:

No, I'd really like my govt. run by street sweepers or corrupt career politicians...

Sorry - I'd like to see the best, most qualified people available. Hard for me to believe that men approaching or already in their 70's are going into govt. service for the first time, for the money.

It's more likely that this argument is just the left grabbing at anything they can to stay relevant and fund raise.

Racism - Obama was supposed to usher in the new era and heal the racial divide - gee, how's that working for ya?

Just because I opposed Obama's policies doesn't equate in any way to racism.

The fact that you can so cavalierly make an accusation like that without any knowledge of my race seems ... well, just racist.

Its not racist. You can be ethnic and still hate Obama for that. The argument could be made that you hate Obama based on the fact that he didn't somehow give more power to your ethnicity. Racism isn't one sided nor does it burn a fire in one group or individual. You ignored the question for quite awhile. Its an important question as I stated before. Race has to be discussed. This idea that we don't predetermine in some cases our like or dislike for our fellow man based on race, society, or culture is scientifically wrong. It is up to each individual to work against this predisposition and to admit to our faults whenever capable. I asked you this so I can get a better understand as to what angle you are coming at this from. Arguing my points with someone who is never going to see them makes no sense.

As for ushering in a new era. He wasn't supported by the senate, and as I stated above a bunch of people of his own ethnicity hated him because they believed he was somehow going to flip things over and make the other ethnicity/cultures useless. They believed that he was going to work entirely for there own culture. This was as dumb as believing that Mexican's are the cause for every problem in the US.

On the Media: You realize that going around the media by using Twitter is a way of control, correct? It has nothing to do with defeat. Unfortunately a lot of us have forgotten that political experiment we called Germany. A lot of the same tactics were employed and we now refer to them as propaganda. The media exists to hold society accountable for the actions of the many. However, I do happen to agree that there are bias media bases out there. Fox news is one. I mentioned my dislike for the Young Turks in a previous conversation/thread. The accountability I speak of is based on even holding these news outlets accountable and fact checking there own output. For example. Dan Rather got in a lot of heat when he lied about Bush and lost his job and credibility and has (today) come out of the wood work saying he is going to go after Trump. I don't want to hear from him based on his lies about Bush.

While you can call me a liar or bias, I am not. I have four children. I am in the military (meaning I actually protect freedom with my body, mind, etc). I believe that we as a nation must come to decision and work for the betterment of our entire body (community, society, and world).

On Trump switching who he is for: I wonder and I could be wrong, if this was his goal to become leader? He said in an interview in 1988 that he would run for the Republican party because he could say anything dumb that he wanted and they would elect him. He said that they would go for any over the top and hateful things he said. I wonder if he was testing the water and looking for a party that would push him to the presidency. He has claimed he would run for office a few times, including in 2009 when Obama ran. The time wasn't right. The political climate wasn't right. It is now.

My concerns: Listen, he says he doesn't believe in Climate change... its been proven. You can see the glaciers melting. Even in the 1960's the automotive companies stated it was real. They had there own scientists that buried it because it wasn't good for there bottom dollar. While I don't pretend to understand the entire situation I can see it with my own eyes. As an example, growing up there used to be 12 feet a snow every winter. Now snow doesn't come every year. This is alarming at best. I get it, that isn't conclusive evidence, but it makes me look around and ask questions. When I do I find that most scientist think climate change is the biggest problem that the entire planet is going through that needs to be addressed and changed.

On Trump opposing all: We have seen this before in history as well. I don't think I have to tell you where. This is a double edged sword that could get you what you want or could cost you everything including your freedom. I understand what you want. I see it, I even agree with it. I just wonder if throwing out the entire way your government works in favor of a new system is the best course of action and if it will actually get you what you want or if it will remove the things you want from obtainable goals. I don't particularly like for example that politicians get millions of dollars to run for office... I don't think they should get any money. With that being said, even Trump got money google it if you think I am wrong. He even promised varying offices to people who would support him and came through in the end. That is why you see people like the owner of Carls Junior in office now.

On being cavalier, that's allowed when you do it but not when I do it? It is not cavalier to ask a question. Its cavalier to completely ignore it then out right call me racist because you aren't strong enough to answer the question and have to bring your own supposed race into the situation. I already stated long ago in a post why I was asking if you didn't like Obama based on his race. You could have shut that down in a heart beat and you didn't. I suspect you are deflecting now. Conversations aren't supposed to be one sided. You make them thus by ignoring rational questions in order to present your argument and make persuasions. The reason why this race era you are discussing has not taken hold is because of this issue. Its not racist to ask about race. Its racist to act on race.
 
What I don't understand is why he might want isolationism? It hasn't worked for North Korea... China didn't do well with this political stance. Any ideas?

Well.
Depending on what your Aiming for. Isolationism is not exactly a Bad thing.

Isolationism means that your Country will not have much Trade. But also that all your Domestic needs are Produced in your Country.
The USA is an very Ressource Rich Country and has an very Expanisve Industry. So it can indeed survive Isolationism as it can effectively Produce everything it needs by itself.

Of course your General Economy as well as your Power in the World will Suffer Heavily from this. Because the Companies in your Country wont Aim to be Competetive and because you have no Leverage over other Countries.


In case of Donald Trump however I think its simply because he is Stupid.
He does not seem to understand the thing about leverage on other Countries.
Moreover he does not understand that the USAs Economy is based on Investment not on Trade Balance.

The USA got an Tax System which results in Companies also Paying Taxes on Foreign Earnings. (An very strong fight between EU and US. Because many US Companies despite being in the EU. Are Paying Taxes to the USA)
So the Trade Deficit itself is already an wrong Statistic anyways. Because the USA is indeed Benefitting from having Companies Abroad.
However. Trump does not understand this. And only looks at the Jobs a Factory would bring in the USA rather than thinking about the Jobs resulting in the USA from the Additional Wealth earned in Mexico.

The other thing is.
The USA has an Superior Trade Power over other Countries due to its Big Market. So Trump seems to think he can leverage benefits by adding Taxes to these Markets.
But the moment he does that he will lose that Power.
He is stuck and fixated on the Trade Balance. So he wants to enforce an even Trade Balance. But that wont work for the USA because the USA is simply too Powerful an Market to work as an Export Economy.
For the Biggest Economy in the World to be an Export Market. It would require that pretty much the entire remaining World would Buy exclusively from the USA. And that is just not going to happen.

To be an Export Power you either need very many Import Countries Importing almost exclusively from you.
Or you need at least one Bigger Country than yourself to be Importing in large amounts from you.

In case of China for example the only reason why they can maintain as an Export Power with their incredible Size. Is because the USA which is Bigger than them is keeping up Importing Large amounts from them.
(which is also why this is so favorable for the EU. Because if Trump stop Buying tons of Stuff from China. China will be slowed down as well and will be opening up to the EU more to get access to the only other Market in the World that can actually enable em them to keep Growing)


Trump is making an very Company Boss like Fallacy here.
Just like most Industrial and Business Bosses. He assumes that the USA Adding Taxes will not Result in other Countries adding Taxes to the USA as well because they dont want to risk losing Access to the US Market which is very Valuable to them.
But he is heavily Underestimating three things.
1. The Pride of Countries is pretty much Guaranteed to Answer in Kind and also add Border Taxes against the USA.
2. The more Border Taxes the USA put up. The less Valuable their Market becomes to others.
3. The US Companies in the Past have been Investing Heavily in Foreign Countries. But the USAs Tax System is set up in a way. Which Results in these Companies still Paying Taxes on this even if they are in a Foreign Country.


In General him adding Border Taxes to Balance out the Trade Deficit. Would not exactly be wrong either.
But he should add small Taxes that are Acceptable to Protect Domestic Economy.
For example. if he would add an 2-5% for all Imports. That would already give an Advantage for Companies to Settle in the USA.
More Importandly. This would be deemed Acceptable by most Countries and would only draw light or no Consequences by others as others usually have some Taxes on already.



Joke is.
Some of Trumps Base Policy Ideas are not even Bad.
I would agree with quite a few of them.
If he would not be such a Buffoon and completely overshoot any reasonable margin.

Its like he wants rid his Wheat Field from the Field Mice.
But instead of laying out Traps and Settling some Hunter Animals to Reduce the Mice back to an Healthy Population where they loosen up the earth and feed on the Insects.
He went ahead and wants to poisen the entire Field rotting out the entire Mice Population which will result in him not only poisoning the entire harvest for years to come but also means that he will be dealing with an insect infestation next cause the mice will not be there to feed on the insects....
 
I don't think it will be too long now before Pence makes his move. Trump has started talking about using torture that's worse that waterboarding, and he's warned China that he would use military force to protect America's trade interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnnj_YjdJgs

I normally dont do politics, but my god that was a good watch, watching some more the vid's now.

Just to add I'm a Brit living in Sweden, both have fudged political views/systems but thank fudge im not an living in a country run by a certain Mr Trump, you know in UK to Trump is to fart.
 
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Nerwan... IT IS FAKE NEWS... learn to distinguish the difference.

Trump is the best human who ever lived. Media is trying to trick you into believing otherwise...

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You just proved my point. Hahaha, EXACTLY what CNN would have said.. "YOU FOUL DARK DEMONS OF HELL" ?.

You probably think you're the soul of wit. Don't quit your day-job if you have one. I have no time for trolls, so I'll be blocking you now.

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He was denied access to the country.

You really live in your own reality, don't you? Do you have any idea how serious this stuff is? Any at all?
 
Its not racist. You can be ethnic and still hate Obama for that. The argument could be made that you hate Obama based on the fact that he didn't somehow give more power to your ethnicity. Racism isn't one sided nor does it burn a fire in one group or individual. You ignored the question for quite awhile. Its an important question as I stated before. Race has to be discussed. This idea that we don't predetermine in some cases our like or dislike for our fellow man based on race, society, or culture is scientifically wrong. It is up to each individual to work against this predisposition and to admit to our faults whenever capable. I asked you this so I can get a better understand as to what angle you are coming at this from. Arguing my points with someone who is never going to see them makes no sense.

As for ushering in a new era. He wasn't supported by the senate, and as I stated above a bunch of people of his own ethnicity hated him because they believed he was somehow going to flip things over and make the other ethnicity/cultures useless. They believed that he was going to work entirely for there own culture. This was as dumb as believing that Mexican's are the cause for every problem in the US.

On the Media: You realize that going around the media by using Twitter is a way of control, correct? It has nothing to do with defeat. Unfortunately a lot of us have forgotten that political experiment we called Germany. A lot of the same tactics were employed and we now refer to them as propaganda. The media exists to hold society accountable for the actions of the many. However, I do happen to agree that there are bias media bases out there. Fox news is one. I mentioned my dislike for the Young Turks in a previous conversation/thread. The accountability I speak of is based on even holding these news outlets accountable and fact checking there own output. For example. Dan Rather got in a lot of heat when he lied about Bush and lost his job and credibility and has (today) come out of the wood work saying he is going to go after Trump. I don't want to hear from him based on his lies about Bush.

While you can call me a liar or bias, I am not. I have four children. I am in the military (meaning I actually protect freedom with my body, mind, etc). I believe that we as a nation must come to decision and work for the betterment of our entire body (community, society, and world).

On Trump switching who he is for: I wonder and I could be wrong, if this was his goal to become leader? He said in an interview in 1988 that he would run for the Republican party because he could say anything dumb that he wanted and they would elect him. He said that they would go for any over the top and hateful things he said. I wonder if he was testing the water and looking for a party that would push him to the presidency. He has claimed he would run for office a few times, including in 2009 when Obama ran. The time wasn't right. The political climate wasn't right. It is now.

My concerns: Listen, he says he doesn't believe in Climate change... its been proven. You can see the glaciers melting. Even in the 1960's the automotive companies stated it was real. They had there own scientists that buried it because it wasn't good for there bottom dollar. While I don't pretend to understand the entire situation I can see it with my own eyes. As an example, growing up there used to be 12 feet a snow every winter. Now snow doesn't come every year. This is alarming at best. I get it, that isn't conclusive evidence, but it makes me look around and ask questions. When I do I find that most scientist think climate change is the biggest problem that the entire planet is going through that needs to be addressed and changed.

On Trump opposing all: We have seen this before in history as well. I don't think I have to tell you where. This is a double edged sword that could get you what you want or could cost you everything including your freedom. I understand what you want. I see it, I even agree with it. I just wonder if throwing out the entire way your government works in favor of a new system is the best course of action and if it will actually get you what you want or if it will remove the things you want from obtainable goals. I don't particularly like for example that politicians get millions of dollars to run for office... I don't think they should get any money. With that being said, even Trump got money google it if you think I am wrong. He even promised varying offices to people who would support him and came through in the end. That is why you see people like the owner of Carls Junior in office now.

On being cavalier, that's allowed when you do it but not when I do it? It is not cavalier to ask a question. Its cavalier to completely ignore it then out right call me racist because you aren't strong enough to answer the question and have to bring your own supposed race into the situation. I already stated long ago in a post why I was asking if you didn't like Obama based on his race. You could have shut that down in a heart beat and you didn't. I suspect you are deflecting now. Conversations aren't supposed to be one sided. You make them thus by ignoring rational questions in order to present your argument and make persuasions. The reason why this race era you are discussing has not taken hold is because of this issue. Its not racist to ask about race. Its racist to act on race.

You've made an unwarranted accusation and assumption without evidence. I doubt that anything I write would change the mind of someone who thinks that way. I do not discuss race, because I do not practice or believe in identity politics. I would hope that one day we look at our country as American citizens, rather than privileged groups looking for carve outs, special protections, and political power that discriminates and favors special interests.

I know, crazy idea.
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
So Arizona, Utah and Texas are going to be the most heavily impacted by this....who did they vote for? Oh...yeah, LOL

I live in that chunk of territory, and I most certainly did NOT vote for Trump or his stupid wall.

It's ill-conceived, unworkable, un-American, and yes - Mexico isn't gonna pay for it, American consumers would.
 
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I don't think it will be too long now before Pence makes his move. Trump has started talking about using torture techniques that are worse that waterboarding, and he's warned China that he would use military force to protect America's trade interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnnj_YjdJgs

Pence is the culmination of the evangelical Christian grassroots movement going on in middle America. For decades they have been preparing, primarily by outbreeding secularists (in their view this includes anyone not white evangelical Protestant), indoctrination through home schooling, and then turning those kids out for activism and running for office. This is why a lot of middle states have laws that ease oversight of curricula in home schooling. The tea party rising was their big move to gut the establishment GOP and replace it with theocratically minded people. Pence in the White House is the crowing achievement of this effort.

The left is completely dumbfounded because they could not see a grassroots movement coming via religious indoctrination. They expected that reason and compassion for minorities and the poor would be enough to win popular opinion. And it was, but they ignored what was going on in middle america, again. And it isn't like they haven't been smacked in the face with this before. The genius of Karl Rove spotted this movement in its infancy and was able to show how they can form an election winning coalition....but the Bush admin didn't follow through with most of what they wanted and the bloc wasn't enamored with McCain or Romney. Instead, they focused on filling state legislatures with people like them.

Organizations you might recognize that are pushing this agenda are...TeenPact, Generation Joshua, Operation Rescue, Homeschool Legal Defense Association, Family Research Council and Focus on The Family.

So, what is the ultimate goal? To save Americans from the fires of hell (because anyone who is not them is going to burn) and to re-establish Christian doctrine as the rule of government (they are force fed lies about how the USA was originally a theocracy and has been sullied by secularism). The active goals are to overturn Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Brown V Board of Education and Bob Jones v The United States. These are rulings that protect reproductive rights and non-discrimination based on race. In return, they would want to amend the Constitution to discriminate against queers, trans people, independent women, and people of color. On top of that they would legislate morality, making it a crime to disagree with God, to curse in public, to wear certain clothes or to protest the divine government.

As I type this, several states are pushing bills to make protest illegal or to make it legal to run over a protester with your car. is probably out soon with no focus providing methods to prevent pregnancy. These people can not be reasoned with, but they are still outnumbered. With the right moves, addressing special interest money and gerrymandering, the left could marginalize them to a more representative portion of government.

Anyway, I've gone way aside. Pence is the real president. Trump was just the right tool at the right time to win it for them. Every time Trump makes headlines, keep an eye on Pence and the legislature. They have already gutted more than people notice.

Source: I've lived in the bible belt for 30 years and have had many conversations with these very people.
 
Sarcasm or trolling?

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You probably think you're the soul of wit. Don't quit your day-job if you have one. I have no time for trolls, so I'll be blocking you now.

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You really live in your own reality, don't you? Do you have any idea how serious this stuff is? Any at all?

And now you admitted that you are a GROUP of people with a hidden agenda here on this forum.. GG.
 
Ahh...the lovely new CIA director from my home state, Kansas

Trump's New CIA Director: "Jesus Christ Is The Only Solution For Our World"

Christian Sharia Law is coming. Which evangelical neighbor will be patrolling your block, making sure your satanic tattoo (not satanic in reality, just not christian imagery) is properly covered up?

And just a smattering of reports I'm seeing today...yeah this guy is sooo good

  • Trump Will Require All EPA Science to Be Screened by Political Staffers
  • Trump’s plan to roll back Medicaid will especially affect his voters
  • Only 15% of Trump's Twitter Followers are active US Users
  • Donald Trump is the sole reliable source of truth, says chair of House Science Committee
  • The government website to help Wells Fargo whistleblowers quietly disappeared after Trump took office
  • Trump’s Chief Strategist Says News Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’
  • Donald Trump is going to publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants. Hitler did the same
  • Texas GOP rep blasts wall as expensive, ineffective
  • President Trump says homicides in Philadelphia are 'terribly increasing.' They are actually down.
  • Poll shows Trump with 36 percent job approval for first five days
  • White House Insiders Say Donald Trump Is “Demoralized” That No One Thinks He’s a Real President
  • Two national polls: Obamacare now more popular than Trump
  • Alex Jones: White House offered Infowars press credentials
  • Trump Administration Absolutely Outraged Someone Would Try To Delegitimize A President
  • In break with Trump, GOP leaders leaders say torture should remain illegal
  • Donald Trump Is Using a Private Gmail Account to Secure the Most Powerful Twitter Account in the World
  • Trump Falsely Claims Two People Were Killed During Obama's Farewell Speech
  • Illinois governor: Trump hasn't called me about Chicago violence
  • Trump Personally Asked Park Service Head for More Favorable Inauguration Crowd Photos
  • Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
  • 'Teresa May': White House spells Theresa May's name wrong three times in memo ahead of visit
  • Trump’s “proof” of voter fraud is an anecdote from a golfer who may have committed voter fraud himself
  • White House leaks cast Trump as a clueless child
 
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Pence is the culmination of the evangelical Christian grassroots movement going on in middle America. For decades they have been preparing, primarily by outbreeding secularists (in their view this includes anyone not white evangelical Protestant), indoctrination through home schooling, and then turning those kids out for activism and running for office. This is why a lot of middle states have laws that ease oversight of curricula in home schooling. The tea party rising was their big move to gut the establishment GOP and replace it with theocratically minded people. Pence in the White House is the crowing achievement of this effort.

Pence is originally from a large religious Irish/American Catholic family who went the evangelical route during his college years. He has numerous relatives from the West of Ireland, his great granny lived beside Trump`s Doonbeg golf course in Co.Clare and his grandfather immigrated from Sligo to the States in the 1920`s. I agree all these bible-bashers are deluded and usually complete walking contradictions. We still have plenty of the loons located in the North of Ireland of the protestant evangelical variety who see no contradiction with quoting the bible ad nauseam while being the epitome of greed and corruption.

They even tried to force their creationist fairy tales on the public in relation to the Giant`s Causeway, https://www.museumsassociation.org/...ntroversy-over-creationism-at-giants-causeway
 
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Pence is originally from a large religious Irish/American Catholic family who went the evangelical route during his college years. He has numerous relatives from the West of Ireland, his great granny lived beside Trump`s Doonbeg golf course in Co.Clare and his grandfather immigrated from Sligo to the States in the 1920`s. I agree all these bible-bashers are deluded and usually complete walking contradictions. We still have plenty of the loons located in the North of Ireland of the protestant evangelical variety who see no contradiction with quoting the bible ad nauseam while being the epitome of greed and corruption.

They even tried to force their creationist fairy tales on the public in relation to the Giant`s Causeway, https://www.museumsassociation.org/...ntroversy-over-creationism-at-giants-causeway

You just cant help yerself can ye? Every thread ever...always the same theme ^

I think Trump is an idiot but...the one good thing that will come from this will be a wake up call to the establishment that what we have had and do have is simply not working. Of course we all gonna suffer the consequences of this learning experience...but if we can create something new that works, then its about bloody time.

Cant you yanks just assasinate Trump? Yer CIA did it with Kennedy and he was popular, so why not this time? Cant be that hard surely, not with just about everyone in the US owning semi automatics...fer duck shoots and stuff ^
 
Cant you yanks just assasinate Trump? Yer CIA did it with Kennedy and he was popular, so why not this time? Cant be that hard surely, not with just about everyone in the US owning semi automatics...fer duck shoots and stuff ^

His hair acts as a chaff dispenser.
 
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You just cant help yerself can ye? Every thread ever...always the same theme ^

I think Trump is an idiot but...the one good thing that will come from this will be a wake up call to the establishment that what we have had and do have is simply not working. Of course we all gonna suffer the consequences of this learning experience...but if we can create something new that works, then its about bloody time.

Cant you yanks just assasinate Trump? Yer CIA did it with Kennedy and he was popular, so why not this time? Cant be that hard surely, not with just about everyone in the US owning semi automatics...fer duck shoots and stuff ^

That's a joke right...I mean, I rage about Trump whenever he does something stupid and when the Congress passes another gutting of our social fabric, but you don't assassinate people to get your way. I don't know if the CIA did that in the past, but if true it doesn't justify it today.

Most of us have guns? FALSE

36% of Americans either own a gun or live in a house where there is a gun. It hasn't been a majority since 1978 where that number was 51%.

The major concern with Trump is where he goes with overreach. What kind of powers will he try to gain, which ones will he exploit...it is something to be watched closely b/c I don't want a king.

I agree, that a Trump presidency is going to kick the DNC into gear...but they will be lost in the woods for a while, yet. Meanwhile, the GOP is doubling down on all of their bad (and failed) policies from the past. Redistributing wealth back to the top, who already has a lopsided command of wealth, and dismantling social services, environmental protection, consumer protection, and science research.

They certainly like to give the liberals a big job of rebuilding the country. Just strange, I remember a GOP that built things and actually pushed an agenda that makes all of America stronger. What we have now is a pure perversion.
 
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Ignorance and the pandering to such ignorance is the real cause for the mess that is unfolding on both sides of the Atlantic. Its what happens when you have halfwits voting for halfwits, the perfect storm.
 
Organizations you might recognize that are pushing this agenda are...TeenPact, Generation Joshua, Operation Rescue, Homeschool Legal Defense Association, Family Research Council and Focus on The Family.

So, what is the ultimate goal? To save Americans from the fires of hell (because anyone who is not them is going to burn) and to re-establish Christian doctrine as the rule of government (they are force fed lies about how the USA was originally a theocracy and has been sullied by secularism). The active goals are to overturn Roe v Wade, Griswold v Connecticut, Brown V Board of Education and Bob Jones v The United States. These are rulings that protect reproductive rights and non-discrimination based on race. In return, they would want to amend the Constitution to discriminate against queers, trans people, independent women, and people of color. On top of that they would legislate morality, making it a crime to disagree with God, to curse in public, to wear certain clothes or to protest the divine government.

It's essentially a Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
It's essentially a Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yup...and the Christofacists want the rest of us to believe that Islam is the enemy. When, in reality, it is extremism that is the enemy. Extremism hides behind whatever religion is most convenient.
 
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It's essentially a Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Its all rolled up in a misguided sense of superiority and exceptionalism, that`s why its always had such strange bed fellows as the Ku Klux Klan and other such loons. Similar delusions of superiority, exceptionalism and the hankering for empire were behind Brexit.
 
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Yup...and the Christofacists want the rest of us to believe that Islam is the enemy. When, in reality, it is extremism that is the enemy. Extremism hides behind whatever religion is most convenient.

And Islam is essentially just another flavour of apocalyptic Judaism, just like Christianity... and the whole mess was mostly stolen from Zoroastrianism (which has a much more interesting theology, the newer ones are poor copies at best).

Where was I... oh yes. I'd rep you, but I already did that earlier.
 
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