Elite dangerous and bug/ch abusing has gone to next level.

Should discovered byu tags be removed from m67 star cluster

  • Yes, becasue there is no way with in game mechanics to achieve this

    Votes: 371 52.9%
  • No, let them keep them.

    Votes: 74 10.6%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 163 23.3%
  • replace the tags with "discovered by distant star expedition" tag.

    Votes: 93 13.3%

  • Total voters
    701
  • Poll closed .

Goose4291

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Just as the official DSE rep, I'd just like to say that a) AH Cancri was tagged using the neutron double jump thing, seems legit but ultimately that's FD's decision which I believe they are reviewing now. The other two or three people who have tags got it because they blew up and support couldn't move them back, so just moved them back to the bubble, and gave them their data without being asked (as is routine for them - they didn't know about the full details of the no-return element of the expedition - they deal with hundreds of tickets a day).

What you just described is a God mod. A player lost their exploration data by dying, and frontier magic wanded it back into their hands, as well as teleported them around. That's what people like myself have umbridge with.
This game should be about what you do in it, not what the devs can do for you.

As a footnote, I hope you appreciate I have no issues with the DSE as a whole, just the handling of this situation. I just as someone who's had to deal with god modding twice in very negative situations can sympathise with the op and those like them who are playing the game without having to bleat to big daddy FDev for a magic wand.
 
Just as the official DSE rep, I'd just like to say that a) AH Cancri was tagged using the neutron double jump thing, seems legit but ultimately that's FD's decision which I believe they are reviewing now. The other two or three people who have tags got it because they blew up and support couldn't move them back, so just moved them back to the bubble, and gave them their data without being asked (as is routine for them - they didn't know about the full details of the no-return element of the expedition - they deal with hundreds of tickets a day). AFAIK these guys emailed back and mentioned it but nothing was done so they handed in. But again, FD are reviewing it.

Anyone who says anything that contradicts the above is either speculating (and is wrong) or is flat out lying. There is no collusion with FD in this, it is all the result of the above. I strongly suggest the speculation and misinformation stops now, otherwise I think we should lock the thread until FD get back with their decisions.

Just want to echo Dr Kaii's comments here.

The DSE organizers do not condone players short cutting it back. 350 players embarked on this expedition all knowing it was a one way trip and understood the spirit in which the event was pitched. They accepted the idea of traveling somewhere that may never have an official discovered by tag associated with it (M67). It was even part of the background roleplay that no official data would ever be returned to human space from M67, and the fleet may one day become a 'lost colony' in ED non-canon folklore.

The fact that 2 players out of those 350 were moved by support (for whatever reason), out of the cluster without support wiping the tags, is an oversight and a honest mistake on FDs part. I'm sure FD will rectify this.
 
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Just as the official DSE rep, I'd just like to say that a) AH Cancri was tagged using the neutron double jump thing, seems legit but ultimately that's FD's decision which I believe they are reviewing now. The other two or three people who have tags got it because they blew up and support couldn't move them back, so just moved them back to the bubble, and gave them their data without being asked (as is routine for them - they didn't know about the full details of the no-return element of the expedition - they deal with hundreds of tickets a day). AFAIK these guys emailed back and mentioned it but nothing was done so they handed in. But again, FD are reviewing it.

Anyone who says anything that contradicts the above is either speculating (and is wrong) or is flat out lying. There is no collusion with FD in this, it is all the result of the above. I strongly suggest the speculation and misinformation stops now, otherwise I think we should lock the thread until FD get back with their decisions.

Yep thanks for the clarification. So it's basically as I said earlier...

Aw c'mon that's unfair - Support do not code the game. And Support do a fantastic job. This was probably nothing more than a CMDR taking advantage of an overly-helpful Support bod and selling their data.

And that's it really.

I still think those tags should be removed.

And I'm pretty certain that double-dipping the FSD supercharge is also Unintended Behaviour - hopefully FDEV will fix that in a future update.

But until and unless pilots are able to return home under their own steam, star systems like these - a one-way trip currently - should be left untagged.
 
My opinion on this case: The OP - as some others - are eaten up with envy, maybe because they didnt manage to get some fun with this game. Unbelievable attitude.
 
The fact that 2 players out of those 350 were moved by support (for whatever reason), out of the cluster without support wiping the tags, is an oversight and a honest mistake on FDs part. I'm sure FD will rectify this.

Well put. It seems to me that that's really all that needs to be said.
 
Also, to correct something I said, to make sure I'm being completely transparent, when I said they got moved back to the bubble, I believe one of them was moved close to the cluster, but outside it and went back.
 
Last couple months we have seen many chases were abusing bugs etc. have been used by players to get benefits etc. For example the stacking massacre missions and killing skimmers to achieve high cr/h. CGs that require people to log in and out off the game to respawn stuff so they can have change to get to top spots on CGs. I really don't care about this but would prefer is this wouldn't effect CGs or story related stuff but everyone can stack and log off grind missions to get a lot of cr as much they want and i don't care. But all these can be seen as unintended stuff, not as stuff that frontier has decided to do or be features or mechanics of the game.

Now, however frontier support have joined to help players to get stuff that can't get or do in game. Most of you probably know distant star expedition. Players went to star cluster high above the galaxy, and with in game methods its one way trip as you need to do 219 ly jump to be able to enter the cluster. This mean there is no way player can get back to the bubble with exploration data to sell it and claim systems, stars or planets and tag them. Today logged in to the game in the cluster and see discovered by tags on planets, so i go to distant stars discord and ask if someone found way to get back home. The answer is no, there still is no way back to home. The answer i get is really shocking Frontier support have moved people from cluster back to systems were they can travel back to bubble and sell their data and get discovered by tag with their name on these systems. This is not bug or ch, frontier support have helped players to achieve stuff that is impossible to do in game. This feel very lame that frontier help people to cheat in game mechanics and rules. They should have at least removed the exploration data from these people when they moved them. This stuff is not acceptable, bugs and mechanics abusing i can understand (i would prefer t to not effect other player as much) but support doing that stuff? Why would they undermine their own game and community?

Should frontier remove these discovered by xxxx player tags from these systems in m67 star cluster as there is no way (other than support move you out there) to get those tags? This not following the rules of game start to go too far now that frontier support has taken part to it

Hi everyone, I'm the alleged cheater that this post is about. Here's my post on reddit elaborating on the whole thing, I have no clue how the story got this blown out of proportion. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...aitish_elite_dangerous_and_bugclitch/dd0yp0f/

Copy paste for ease of access.

This is mostly true, but I'll elaborate on why I was moved back. At the time I was sure it was a bug, but it might not have been. I was attempting to scoop the white dwarf, thought it would be no biggie, but the orbit lines never showed up with the "no-fly" zone. Next, as I was going in to scoop, apparently I got caught in the beam despite the actual visible beam being quite far away and very slowly rotating, so I got thrashed around without actually being where the beam should have been. Again, may have just been my inexperience in scooping them and not knowing the scooping beam is a persistent cone regardless of the visual indicator of what should be scoopable.

I got instantly thrown out of supercruise from being thrown backwards into the star's exclusion zone somehow, logged out after taking a bit of damage and submitted a support ticket asking about it and if they could possibly move me away from it, in hopes I'd get one of the super speedy replies people have previously, so I could join the mass jump into the cluster. I waited for ~30 minutes, then decided to just suicide, miss the jump and base camp meeting, and just go up again.
I forgot about the support ticket for awhile, after I had gone up, did the preliminary "honk n go" of my 3 systems assigned as cartographer, scanned the 3 stars in my empty first system, and scanned my third system of all but two that I missed as they weren't landables and landables were my priority. Climbed a massive mountain range one of my (new) friends found in a pretty cool binary system for about 7 hours straight, then got off and wasn't able to play for a week because of school.

Frontier responded to my ticket during the week, I believe it was thursday, and they told me they had moved me back to the white dwarf and restored my rebuy cost. Obviously, I didn't need to be teleported back at this point, and was about to request for them to teleport me back as they mentioned they could in the support ticket. I paused though, and asked the DSE discord what I should do now that I was given this crazy opportunity to tag my systems in the cluster.


The rest is part of another comment I already posted yesterday. I had no clue this would be such a big deal, and I apologize to the people that are upset.


I believe you're talking about me, and I didn't receive any outright negative feedback when I asked several people/the rest of the expedition in discord. I was willing to ask them to send me back up, but as it was I had to go back anyways and restart the climb because they set me at the white dwarf with the full tank of fuel I had on me.

Everyone that replied when I asked (unless I missed someone) was fine with or jealous of the opportunity I had, in a friendly way though. I only tagged two systems, both of which were assigned to me as a cartographer, one which was empty, and the other which I had gone through and scanned all 40 or so bodies (save two, which I'm pretty I missed).
I don't consider this screwing up the mission, as people had already tagged some of the beginning stars in the climb thanks to double dipping the neutron, and the whole point was to chart, catalog, and discover as much as we could for the sake of exploration, but if you're upset I apologize.


Plenty of people in the chat on the initial climb can vouch for the WD story, and hopefully the ones that replied when I asked for advice on what to do upon being moved back will vouch for me too.
 
It won't be locked. It's your game too and you can say what you want. But FYI, it's a complete mistake or downright lie to say that FD Support did it on purpose, knowing what they were doing. It was a mistake, and I think 99.9% of everyone knows that. Not giving you the middle finger at all, but you are definitely 100% wrong.
Exactly. The commanders in question died by the hands of bugs, and FD mistakenly gave them the opportunity to tag the cluster, nothing here was intentional.
 
Just as the official DSE rep, I'd just like to say that a) AH Cancri was tagged using the neutron double jump thing, seems legit but ultimately that's FD's decision which I believe they are reviewing now. The other two or three people who have tags got it because they blew up and support couldn't move them back, so just moved them back to the bubble, and gave them their data without being asked (as is routine for them - they didn't know about the full details of the no-return element of the expedition - they deal with hundreds of tickets a day). AFAIK these guys emailed back and mentioned it but nothing was done so they handed in. But again, FD are reviewing it.

Anyone who says anything that contradicts the above is either speculating (and is wrong) or is flat out lying. There is no collusion with FD in this, it is all the result of the above. I strongly suggest the speculation and misinformation stops now, otherwise I think we should lock the thread until FD get back with their decisions.

Thanks man. I'm glad I ultimately didn't care and didn't spend any energy on this. Lesson to learn folks, get all of the information before you react. This is a forum, not a critical life on the edge task, you are not required to think nor react quickly in this situation. [hehe]
 
Thanks man. I'm glad I ultimately didn't care and didn't spend any energy on this. Lesson to learn folks, get all of the information before you react. This is a forum, not a critical life on the edge task, you are not required to think nor react quickly in this situation. [hehe]
Bah! And it didn't even reach 36 pages of raging...

[video=youtube;D8KuH_RxUNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8KuH_RxUNE[/video]

[yesnod]
 
I am a mod so it's not FD that would lock it but my fellow mod team but we've decided that would be unfair for various reasons including the ones you mentioned.

Anyway, that aside, I believe support only recently gained the ability to retrieve lost data, and I guess it also depends on circumstances. Nothing weird is going on.
 
Anyway, that aside, I believe support only recently gained the ability to retrieve lost data, and I guess it also depends on circumstances. Nothing weird is going on.

No they always had the ability, it was just used very rarely and not for everyone.
 
I am a mod so it's not FD that would lock it but my fellow mod team but we've decided that would be unfair for various reasons including the ones you mentioned.

Anyway, that aside, I believe support only recently gained the ability to retrieve lost data, and I guess it also depends on circumstances. Nothing weird is going on.

This isn't the data you are looking for

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I've been talking to people who have had it happen to them, but only recently. It's a new thing AFAIK.

There EMPHATICALLY is no favouratism, it's bizarre that you even credit the idea
 
Now, however frontier support have joined to help players to get stuff that can't get or do in game. Most of you probably know distant star expedition. Players went to star cluster high above the galaxy, and with in game methods its one way trip as you need to do 219 ly jump to be able to enter the cluster. This mean there is no way player can get back to the bubble with exploration data to sell it and claim systems, stars or planets and tag them. Today logged in to the game in the cluster and see discovered by tags on planets, so i go to distant stars discord and ask if someone found way to get back home. The answer is no, there still is no way back to home. The answer i get is really shocking Frontier support have moved people from cluster back to systems were they can travel back to bubble and sell their data and get discovered by tag with their name on these systems. This is not bug or ch, frontier support have helped players to achieve stuff that is impossible to do in game. This feel very lame that frontier help people to cheat in game mechanics and rules. They should have at least removed the exploration data from these people when they moved them. This stuff is not acceptable, bugs and mechanics abusing i can understand (i would prefer t to not effect other player as much) but support doing that stuff? Why would they undermine their own game and community?

If this is true, this is really terrible practice by FD... :(
And there is no any glory to have those tags basicly "discovered" by FD support...
 
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No data was restored. I had died on the climb up, went up again, got data, and then they moved me back outside from a support ticket a week earlier when i had died on the way up. They did not restore any data.
 
I've been talking to people who have had it happen to them, but only recently. It's a new thing AFAIK.

There EMPHATICALLY is no favouratism, it's bizarre that you even credit the idea

FD show favouououratism? Inconceivable!
 
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