Read First Those Lakons and millions have to go

[DraigUK]

I only recently came to that conclusion; that Im only really going to 'progress' if I give up trying to progress.

Serial-suicide seems like the best option for beginners. THe 'hump' you mentioned is a pile of my corpses, apparently.

True to an extent, but always remember the final game is unlikely to be like this; you don't have to do it that way by any means, I just found it a bit faster not to worry about dying until I upgraded my ship. Then I always made sure I had enough to cover insurance, saved often, and tried not to die from that point onwards.

 

[Kaputtnik]

I'm also frustrated today.

Yesterday I did what was told here in the forums. Scoop Gold and Personal Weapons at this one unidentified signal source. Finally found a way to make some money.

But today the Lakons are there. Scoopin' up everything. And attacking me - in a Sidewinder - because it must really hurt to give away 4 of those free canisters. Its not like it must take them ages to fill up anyway.

So it is either I explode in a few seconds or fight back.

And I dared to fight back. Those things are sluggish. Its easy to get behind them where they can't use their gimbaled lasers. I'm just stinging a little, but I got time. But as soon as they see I wont leave their 6 they just Supercruise out. And a few seconds later jump back in a few kilometers out and can line me up again. So fighting them is useless.

I wish their Frameshift would charge as slow if they are near me as mine does when I'm near them. Or some tool to slow it down. A disruptor missile or something. So I could damage them a little so they go away for 5 minutes to repair.

I'm kinda unhappy now. Was happy yesterday though.

 

[CMDR Texas Stu]

Well I tried it last night (latest version, yadda yadda), and it wasn't accurate. None of the top listed trades had available stock in the stations. I tried it over the course of an hour, updating the tool, logging in and out... same situation.

Same. Then I switched to local mode, captured each station and it updates each from your game. Gets a bit off on the more popular if you have gone back to that station but not bad. Try it in local mode.

 

[Commander Dini]

I don't know... this is supposed to be a test. Not much of a test we can't also have people with big ships and weapons, can we?

 

[Paulo_B27]

Well, I've earned my £250k Cr, Cobra and weapons the hard way, so a credit wipe at the levels you suggest would be frustrating to say the least.

Also, trading with the new systems gives you £18k per round trip (every 20minutes say), it won't be long until I will have earned a million too.

 

[Mack]

Sadly, since it would appear that my enduro equipped laptop is not capable of running the game without BSODs even when underclocked on the the AMD HD7970M (14.6RC driver, tried em all), I have to run the game on the intel HD4000 which is impossible to do anything (lowest settings and even low res only gives 5fps) other than what I am currently doing.

Hacking the hell out of the client / network stack and reporting the results back to FD so that they can make a better game ready for the day that either

A) my hardware doesn't BSOD all the time
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or

B) I can afford to buy a new laptop (can't use desktops as no space in the house for them and I don't want to be sitting in my man cave to play games) - hmm, I fear hell will freeze over before it becomes an important item in the household budget!
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On the bright side, it's not me you're seeing flying round in anything actually, as I'm in the station all the time!

 

[Don_Von_Hulio]

Money Sucking Quad Missile Cobra FTW

 

[MentaListo]

Where is the fun in using tools, doesn't take long to fly between stations anyway, you'll soon get a decent trade run going just by reading what is needed at the different stations.

Read the galaxy map and it gives clues about what products will always be good...

I don't have the hours to put in, but ive made up a few grand this week even with annoying glitches which keep removing whole stations....

Give it a week and I might get old of this smelly old sidewinder!

 

[Adept]

Are you ready to admit how wrong you were yet?

I told you from PB2 I was making those sums and you don't believe me. I had the Cobra and funds enough to get going with different routes making even more per ton.

Starting out I done different things, combat mainly to make fast money.

Admit you are wrong and leave it there. And next time don't make out someone is lying just because you can't do something.

Let's take a look back at what you said. Note, that this is in a thread on the topic that guys with a ton of money form earlier and huge ships have sucked the easy, new player firendly routes dry.

So not wishing to burn out on the game I've kicked back a bit and not played much in PB2. I've still made about 200,000 creds in about 3 hours play and that is with some messing about and combat.

What you conveniently left our here is that doing that required 200 - 300,000 cr starting capital, and if it was just that, you risked practically all of it on the early runs.

What you said is much less impressive if you say "I had a 300k, and I nearly doubled it in three hours". It also starts to be wildly off-topic on this thread.

So yes. Congratulations. I believe that you weren't technically speaking lying. You were just leaving out some rather relevant information.

 

[DraigUK]

Let's take a look back at what you said. Note, that
What you conveniently left our here is that doing that required 200 - 300,000 cr starting capital, and if it was just that, you risked practically all of it on the early runs.

Wrong. Again. Amazing how easily you can be so wrong and so quick in dismissing how easy it is to make money trading. Even when I give you a simple example of how to do it.

I started out with my Cobra and about 80k, in 3 hours play of PB2 (as you can SEE from the screenshots had you bothered to look) I have ended up with 332 or so.

What you said is much less impressive if you say "I had a 300k, and I nearly doubled it in three hours". It also starts to be wildly off-topic on this thread.

But I didn't say anything near what your saying here did I? Stop making stuff up. What I ACTUALLY said was

So not wishing to burn out on the game I've kicked back a bit and not played much in PB2. I've still made about 200,000 creds in about 3 hours play and that is with some messing about and combat.

It might be in your head, but it's not what I actually said. Go look. What I said was I made 200k in 3 hours play. Which I did. Which you promptly dismissed and basically called me a liar.

So yes. Congratulations. I believe that you weren't technically speaking lying. You were just leaving out some rather relevant information.

I didn't leave anything out, but whatever, I'm done here and with you. I'll leave you to your fantasies. If you look at the screenshots, I started with 332k before wasting 7 mins of my time for you to make another 28k or so. I now have 360k or so.

So if I ended up after that little exercise with 360k or so how did I start off with "200 - 300,000 cr starting capital"

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, as the saying goes.

Go do it yourself it's easy enough. Others here have flat out told you as well, but, nah you just keep on trucking.

 

[Jorlin]

First off, it's late here and i did not read the whole thread, sorry for that.
So i will only reply to the initial posting

PB2 is brilliant. I'm really enjoying the game being so much more stable, and running with a good framerate practically all the time. I love the addition of small trader ship.

I also like that the more obious money making exploits have been closed. I look forward to every possible cheat and hack going away (keep sending those tickets, boys and girls).

What I don't like, is letting people keep even ridiculous amounts of money they had massed up. The are a lot of people who directly hacked the clients, or used an exploit to have literal millions of credits. For some, add several zeroes.

Letting people keep such fortunes means that the economy simulation went to the crapper in moments. With just 8 systems, it doesn't take many trips with a Lakon and an endless bank account to utterly flood market demand and flatten the economy. The result is more money on accounts already bursting from exploit money, and ruining the testing of the economy simulation, and trader gameplay for those who wanted to work their way up fair and square.

How about a credit and ship wipe Frontier? If not for everybody, then at least take it down to at max 200k (including sell value of ship and gear), and an utter reset for anybody with more than a million.

Please.

Well, another whipe will come.
At the moment i'm enjoying to "test" something new.
I had a Lakon when PB1 ended and some money to toy around with.
No Exploits, no can grabbing...just trading and fighting. I just had too much time on my hands
So i entered PB2 with 2.8 Million on my account.
I briefly "explored" the new systems, taking notes on the market and got right back into the lakon.
Two days later i was flying the Anaconda....thanks to the incredible trading margins introduced.

So yes, i'm thankful to have had the opportunity to test the anaconda.
But maybe you're right...after known exploits there might should be a whipe

On the other hand: Massive income might be a part of PB2 testing (why else place neverending margins of 700+ per ton?)
So, if they WANT people to have much credits (without injecting it like in Alpha) there was no need to whipe those billions.

 

[Adept]

That got unnecessarily heated there. Sorry about that. Not my most diplomatic day this, it seems.

In my defence, The point of this thread was me feeling bad for the new joiners

 

[noodle]

Same. Then I switched to local mode, captured each station and it updates each from your game. Gets a bit off on the more popular if you have gone back to that station but not bad. Try it in local mode.

Interesting. Will try it. Don't wanna use the tool in the actual game, and not really bothered about making quick cash, but curious to see if trade is actually viable in a sidewinder as a means of progress at this stage.

 

[Crudzilla]

I am one of the people that the OP is supposedly trying to help.

I only started trading in PB2 after seeing that the credits were not wiped with the new build.
I figured maybe the credits might stick around for a few more builds too (no guarantee of course) and so it might be worth me trying to upgrade to a better ship.

So I started the grind, trading up to a Hauler in one evening. Then making bigger and bigger profits on the medical supply route with each run last night.

This has taken me a long time as the markets are quite flat. But I don't think the rate of earning has been too bad. I'm now trading the most expensive meds as I have the capital to buy them and I hope that this evening I will be able to finally trade up to a Cobra!

So it is quite possible to make money with a little effort. If they reset me now I would be a little bummed out as it would wipe 2 evenings of progress.
So a wipe will definitely not help us new players who have been making slow progress. We have been 'working' hard to make progress. Why do you think crushing that progress will be appreciated?

Also I think the effect of cheats on the economy is quite small. Even if they reset and close all the loopholes, there will still be people who have a lot of time legitimately flying Lakons within a day. The economy will always be flattened until the number of systems is dramatically increased.

 

[excanto]

Hmm anarchy system unidentified signal beacon, popped in and grabbed 4 personal cargo, black market sold it, came back , black market sold it and I had around 30k. I went to azeban to check for something to trade and players were dumping gold, in and out as fast as I could getting 4 black market etc..bought a cobra and continued...I'm up to 120k now.

 

[Alpha Protocol]

Maybe not 'harder', but at least equally as hard. Again, I keep hearing how 'easy' it is...

I get what you mean but, you could have a Lakon with 400 tons of cargo, get blown up and lose everything. In the final game I expect insurance/storage/banking mechanics will largely prevent such a catastrophe.

 

[Nomadski]

I picked up maybe 100k worth of gold from Stu2's generosity (cheers buddy!) but am still in my default sidewinder with 1 loaned laser.

I just like making videos and the Sidewinder seems to have the best canopy to enable that lol.

I don't think I'm playing this beta right...

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Disclaimer: I don't condone cheating / hacking for self profit. I currently don't play ED.

What I don't like, is letting people keep even ridiculous amounts of money they had massed up. The are a lot of people who directly hacked the clients, or used an exploit to have literal millions of credits. For some, add several zeroes.

If anything this simulates a new player joining the game (that's you) when established players have been running around during Gamma making a fortune. (that's them)

If the game / economy can't hold up and work correctly this situation (albeit unfair to you) is a good indicator of what's to come. Admittedly there will be quite a few more systems but the principle is the same.

 

[fourty6to3]

I haven't read through the entire thread, but just wanted to add my two cents to the OP.

I seem to recall this (2:05 and 4:09)
http://youtu.be/lFECllA71qc?t=2m5s

Where DB explains the trading in the game and how it's designed with manipulation possible like in real life.

Taking that into consideration, along with the inevitable situation where some players will eventually amass enough wealth to do exactly what the OP is complaining about - I'd say that everything is working as intended.

The only problem I see is that we're stuck in 8 systems and have to tolerate it for the time being. There's other ways of making credits, like Bounty Hunting or "Gun Running". Personally, I'm going to try out a bit of piracy soon.

 

[Amorelia]

Why don't they simply reset the economy, maybe on a weekly basis?