Yes (the triangle patterns are on the) Front page, keep scrolling down - there is a website that animates the pattern linked
Edited: to highlight the whole puzzle ain't solved
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Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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Yes (the triangle patterns are on the) Front page, keep scrolling down - there is a website that animates the pattern linked
Edited: to highlight the whole puzzle ain't solved
Unless I'm completely wrong (what a disclaimer!):
Given identical site designs, with moons that rise/set over very similar angles from the site center, the search path will be a circle that is offset parallel to the moon's orbital inclination. Since the angles for moon rise/set at the site are all known, the distance from the moon's orbital inclination can be calculated, and will likely depend upon the radius the the planet which the moon orbits.
Just working from memory of the photos and being at the site... The circumference of the offset (called a small circle in "circle of a sphere" calculations) can be calculated by a triangulation, based on a scalene triangle with the moon's orbit running along the longest leg, and ruins site placed at the opposite angle. The angles are known, it's the distances that need to be figured.
I have doubts the argument of periapsis will matter, unless I'm way off base.
Right now I am too tired from real life the past few days to dig into the actual calculations, like I did when I thought the UA audio-encoded circle represented a Great Circle. But it's the same idea. Perhaps tonight I'll be up to giving this a try. If I'm astray, please someone do post a correction. Thanks.
My theory that i poster earlier listed all of the potential planets if this were the case, however looking back at it i missed a few (at least 2 in the system where wee have found thee second ruins)
"IC 2391 Sector GW-V b2-4 : 3/4 (Binary)
IC 2391 Sector ZE-A d101 : B 3/4 (Binary) or D 5/6 (Binary) or D 3 (Moon)
Synuefe XO-P c22-17 : B 3 (Moon) or E 3 A (Moon) F 2/3 (Binary)
Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 : 1/2 (Binary) or 7 E/D (Binary)"
It's not a message that you get in the chat panel notifications. Try scanning an obelisk, wait for it to reactivate, then scan again.
Please just google that for me
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It is complicated by the fact that, if the moon went directly over the ruins we would see the rise/set points opposite each other, but we don't which means the moon goes in an arc or tangent to the ruin location.
I have now crashed 4 times in 5 minutes at 2nd sight
My thoughts exactly. I think it is what we should be focusing on. Of course SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 is an oddball here with no moons, but maybe the ruins there are different in some way? Or there are no ruins at all.
I'm doing me rounds at IC 2391 SECTOR ZE-A D101 C3, perhaps I can brute force yet another present while my birthday lasts
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If in solo, you have to wait all the rest of your life for that. Obelisks don't reactivate by themselves.
You have to reset the instance for that (by disconnecting or leaving the site in SC) which means that you can't scan an obelisk twice in the same instance. That's why you can't get this message while in solo.
EDIT : oups my bad. Actualy you can get the message if you scan an obelisk twice very quickly. But still it can't reactivate by itself.
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Another bit of info I just gleaned that may or may not have been discovered (who can keep up!)
With reference to this image:
http://imgur.com/a/2NvO9
When comparing the triangles that never light up on the obelisks (courtesy of https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/) with the ones represented on the relics, they don't match up.
Conclusion: the pattern on the relic does not represent the obelisk pattern.
With reference to this image:
http://imgur.com/a/2NvO9
When comparing the triangles that never light up on the obelisks (courtesy of https://ixalon.github.io/elitedangerous/) with the ones represented on the relics, they don't match up.
Conclusion: the pattern on the relic does not represent the obelisk pattern.
I was trying to do it mathematically, but I'm not sure my spherical geometry is up to the task.
From my own measurements of ground points, the total viewing angle between the two mounds (from the stalk) is 151.59° isn't it?
I believe the alpha site has the moon curving over the "left" edge (when using our traditional overhead view). Would I be correct in assuming that the beta site it curves more to the right side of centre?
Also (as I'm in 2391/D101 right now) could someone kindly check the compass heading from the stalk up though the largest mound at the beta site please?
Like I said, I'm not convinced that my mathematical skills can cope, but it certainly seems possible to predict locations (or at least two planetary arcs above and below the moons track) for a gamma site (e.g. at D101/C3 which has a suspiciously similar setup).
o7
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Ok. Has anyone been able to
In this order
Raise all 4 relics.. Don't touch the relics . and complete all active relics. Without crashing?.
Everytime I crash the instance resets and i must start over. But when you so an obelisk it shuts off. I think something will happen if we can get them all to shut off with all 4 relics up and in tack. Just use an existing relic in your cargo hold for the obelisk that need them
In this order
Raise all 4 relics.. Don't touch the relics . and complete all active relics. Without crashing?.
Everytime I crash the instance resets and i must start over. But when you so an obelisk it shuts off. I think something will happen if we can get them all to shut off with all 4 relics up and in tack. Just use an existing relic in your cargo hold for the obelisk that need them
Been using this page to hobble intersections and to get better bearing angles from 2 points
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong-vectors.html
Also been looking at the trig stuff and yes, my head hurts.
My thoughts exactly. I think it is what we should be focusing on. Of course SYNUEFE ZL-J D10-119 is an oddball here with no moons, but maybe the ruins there are different in some way? Or there are no ruins at all.
I'm doing me rounds at IC 2391 SECTOR ZE-A D101 C3, perhaps I can brute force yet another present while my birthday lasts
I know that Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 doesnt have a red sun with a planet/moon orbiting combo. I am really just wondering if its the color red and not the fact that its a star. that makes it work. Who knows.
I'd hope that's not needed because it would mean the site was designed with logging off to reset in mind.
Well I can assure it most deffiniatly resets when logged off. I'm going to keep trying to do it this way without crash. But it's extremely frustrating to say the least
so let me get this and pls correct me if i´m wrong...
new ruins found because ZORBAQ stumbles across them. (first of all congrats to you cmdr ZORBAQ)
the placement of the ruins seems to be random...
the ruins look exactly the same...
the ruins contain the exact same data as the first ones...
all we know is both planets have a moon and the ruins point towards the moon when it settles.
sry but thats just disapointing.
new ruins found because ZORBAQ stumbles across them. (first of all congrats to you cmdr ZORBAQ)
the placement of the ruins seems to be random...
the ruins look exactly the same...
the ruins contain the exact same data as the first ones...
all we know is both planets have a moon and the ruins point towards the moon when it settles.
sry but thats just disapointing.
This is interesting.
Perhaps it will work once both (or more?) sites are actually functional.
Maybe the Relics is how they send messages... like long range beam communication.
You load "the same" from both sites and they communicate somehow.
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Expect another "we didn't think you guys would find this so quickly" message soon.
The DejaVu site will probably get some mysterious update in the next patch...
I'm liking these names so far.
Site Alpha
Site DejaVu
I have a strongly sneaking suspicion that geometrically it all cancels out and it's as simple as (180°-angle between rise/set)/2 so 14.205° off the moon's great circle.
But I'm kinda OK with me wussing out and not providing a spreadsheet to express that as a set of long-lats from the moon's orbital parameters because frankly I hate the maths and ran away from what it did to my head as soon as i could afford to
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