Yep, there was 2 duplicates at site 1. See spoiler for more details if needed :
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On my way to double check that. Sounds interesting(maybe more trees ?)
I thought it might be the trees, but I'm not finding anything of 'interest'
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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I thought it might be the trees, but I'm not finding anything of 'interest'
Many players have the same problems. Some times/instances/modes can be more unstable than others. Like every 10 min unstable. As it is I never expect to have the game not crash once per hour. If I get better than that I am surprised.
Brain tree locations known vs Ancient Site systems.
Some corrolation, but the Braintree's do extend outwards to Wregoe so far explored. Maybe the Ancients do too, or they planeted many or could just be coincidence and no link between ancients and tree's
Overview galmap of the locations.
Some corrolation, but the Braintree's do extend outwards to Wregoe so far explored. Maybe the Ancients do too, or they planeted many or could just be coincidence and no link between ancients and tree's
Overview galmap of the locations.
mGtRd and I were having fun with that one yesterday. Didn't know what to make of it as well. Didn't stay to long
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and thats my scan work on the 2 ruin and 64 scans.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JDbGr7C9nPkqp3Wg6mQMmXaIU8mRGzc_DS1jyWpM2xI/edit?usp=sharing
sry the objects are in german but the most of it are simelar to englisch.
only these are other
Kugel = Orb
Schatulle = Casket
Sprache = Language
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JDbGr7C9nPkqp3Wg6mQMmXaIU8mRGzc_DS1jyWpM2xI/edit?usp=sharing
sry the objects are in german but the most of it are simelar to englisch.
only these are other
Kugel = Orb
Schatulle = Casket
Sprache = Language
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it's a weird one to be sure, keeps coming and going, like it can't make up it's mind whether to be persistent or the usual randomly generated heaping pile of trash.
Just a theory - please don't shoot me
Okay guys, prepare for a massive brain fart.
I think I have worked out why there are differences at the co-ordinates.
When the Guardians originally built their temples, ruins, etc, they were astrologically precise during their golden age. This means all ruins were exact:
30,0000 Latitude, 120,000 Longitude - etc.
However, we're seeing slight or large differences - and this may be because of Star Drift during the passage of time: Link.
For those that don't know about Star Drift, it is where, as the stars are circling through the galaxy, that they also move slightly up and down. For example, every 10,000 or 12,000 thousand years (can't remember the number at the moment), our sun goes above the galactic plane and then down again - this process takes thousands of years (just an example). It is a bit like those horse rides in fun fares you see - they go around and around, but at the same time go up and down.
Perhaps the stars are close to aligning again? Is this why the ruins are waking up? Was the last time the ruins aligned during the time when the Thargoids last showed themselves?
The Guardians had 2 Longitude points in space - Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 and Synuefe XR-H D11-102. These were separated by the greatest distance. Next, they have 3 systems in close proximity - the combined light-year total (which would have possibly been 120 at the time) is divided by 4 (normally, an average is divided by how many numbers you use to find the total, but the Guardians did have very sophisticated language and had 4 digits on their hands - for a total of 8 - so may have worked this out differently to us).
So then, here is now the maths:
Longitude
483.53 light years is the distance between Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 and Synuefe XR-H D11-102. Let's round this off to 484, as the calculation difference is negligible (if you really want to know more numbers, just use 483.53 and do the division).
484 / 2 = 242
484 / 3 = 161.3333333333333
484 / 4 = 121
484 / 5 = 96.8
484 / 6 = 80.66666666666667
484 / 7 = 69.14285714285714
484 / 8 = 60.5
484 / 9 = 53.77777777777778
484 / 10 = 48.4
484 / 11 = 44
484 / 12 = 40.33333333333333
484 / 13 = 37.23076923076923
484 / 14 = 34.57142857142857
484 / 15 = 32.26666666666667
484 / 16 = 30.25
484 / 2 = 242
484 / 3 = 161.3333333333333
484 / 4 = 121
484 / 5 = 96.8
484 / 6 = 80.66666666666667
484 / 7 = 69.14285714285714
484 / 8 = 60.5
484 / 9 = 53.77777777777778
484 / 10 = 48.4
484 / 11 = 44
484 / 12 = 40.33333333333333
484 / 13 = 37.23076923076923
484 / 14 = 34.57142857142857
484 / 15 = 32.26666666666667
484 / 16 = 30.25
Latitude
Latitude is also worked out, but by adding all 3 nearby systems instead, not the 2 furthest away; by how many light years separate them. So, 58.01ly + 20.01ly + 38.05ly = 116.07ly. Now we have this, all we simply do is divide by 4 - because all Latitudes across all ruins are "seemingly" universal.
116.07 / 2 = 58.035
116.07 / 3 = 38.69
116.07 / 4 = 29.0175
116.07 / 5 = 23.214
116.07 / 6 = 19.345
116.07 / 7 = 16.58142857142857
116.07 / 8 = 14.50875
116.07 / 2 = 58.035
116.07 / 3 = 38.69
116.07 / 4 = 29.0175
116.07 / 5 = 23.214
116.07 / 6 = 19.345
116.07 / 7 = 16.58142857142857
116.07 / 8 = 14.50875
[edit - earlier I said 16, but it is really 18 - apologies] Therefore, because only up to 18 numbers are used at any one time, these may mean co-ordinates:
Because there are 16 triangles on each side. 18 + 18 = 36 x 3 = 108 total triangles. The triangles may MEAN something, but it all depends whether or not Frontier went to the effort to program the exact co-ordinates into the network, or may have just randomly created each one (basically, they just glow randomly and provide us no benefit) - potentially because no one would know the algorithm any way. If they DID hope we would somehow work it out, I believe the numbers I've shown can now make it possible.
However, I think I've worked it out - and it is quite simple.
I would argue that ODD numbers of triangles that are lit (or not, depends on how many 4's, 8's, or 16's are lit or unlike on each side) are -XX.XXXX - whereby, if it was 7, you would subtract 1 to find the real division number to work out whether it meant 30,000 or negative lat/long -30,000. Whereas an EVEN amount of triangles lit up (or not lit up, depends what matches) will probably mean 30,0000 by 30,0000.
I've been working on this for hours, so I'll work on it more tomorrow. I firmly believe Star Drift may be the "science" reason why all the ruins in various systems are out of sync - and why there "seems" to be no decisive theory as to why one site is -29 by whatever or -31 by whatever.
EDIT: because of an earlier mistake, 16 triangles may mean the division, and 2 may mean -/+ log/lang - if these triangles mean anything at all, of course.
I know my diagram looks very muddled, below - ignore most of the lines making triangles - the most important bits are the numbers you see being divided by 4 etc, in the white boxes and the white text descriptions, though I've basically just described it all any way.
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You know what I'm sat on -30.1254, -160.1563 on 7 D and its not the same place..... Hang on DOOOW!!!!! Wronge moon! We where at -29.5831, -125.8597 but was doing the same oddness.
madwax....
That's a lot of work ! I want to say : "Bravo" !
Sad that only the data from Solo mode are "legit". But anyways, you did the good work and great effort that will be usefull for the community. Frontier did not ...
So I here I am. Log back in. At AB3.
Flying around the surface for 30 min saying to myself. Don't I have anything better to do. I baught a new Python and ripped out to help find the last remaining ruins. But what a mistake. How could I have forgotten how boring this... Time to head home again. Just can't so it. Especially visually on Xbox. On the dark side of a planet. I gotta be 1km up to see .
Flying around the surface for 30 min saying to myself. Don't I have anything better to do. I baught a new Python and ripped out to help find the last remaining ruins. But what a mistake. How could I have forgotten how boring this... Time to head home again. Just can't so it. Especially visually on Xbox. On the dark side of a planet. I gotta be 1km up to see .
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4 was missing for me at site 1, and they never lit up so I know how many hours it takes
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Definitly a persistant one.
Now it's time to have some SRV investigation ...
Just a theory - please don't shoot me
Okay guys, prepare for a massive brain fart.
I think I have worked out why there are differences at the co-ordinates.
When the Guardians originally built their temples, ruins, etc, they were astrologically precise during their golden age. This means all ruins were exact:
30,0000 Latitude, 120,000 Longitude - etc.
However, we're seeing slight or large differences - and this may be because of Star Drift during the passage of time: Link.
For those that don't know about Star Drift, it is where, as the stars are circling through the galaxy, that they also move slightly up and down. For example, every 10,000 or 12,000 thousand years (can't remember the number at the moment), our sun goes above the galactic plane and then down again - this process takes thousands of years (just an example). It is a bit like those horse rides in fun fares you see - they go around and around, but at the same time go up and down.
Perhaps the stars are close to aligning again? Is this why the ruins are waking up? Was the last time the ruins aligned during the time when the Thargoids last showed themselves?
The Guardians had 2 Longitude points in space - Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 and Synuefe XR-H D11-102. These were separated by the greatest distance. Next, they have 3 systems in close proximity - the combined light-year total (which would have possibly been 120 at the time) is divided by 4 (normally, an average is divided by how many numbers you use to find the total, but the Guardians did have very sophisticated language and had 4 digits on their hands - for a total of 8 - so may have worked this out differently to us).
So then, here is now the maths:
Longitude
483.53 light years is the distance between Synuefe ZL-J d10-119 and Synuefe XR-H D11-102. Let's round this off to 484, as the calculation difference is negligible (if you really want to know more numbers, just use 483.53 and do the division).
484 / 2 = 242
484 / 3 = 161.3333333333333
484 / 4 = 121
484 / 5 = 96.8
484 / 6 = 80.66666666666667
484 / 7 = 69.14285714285714
484 / 8 = 60.5
484 / 9 = 53.77777777777778
484 / 10 = 48.4
484 / 11 = 44
484 / 12 = 40.33333333333333
484 / 13 = 37.23076923076923
484 / 14 = 34.57142857142857
484 / 15 = 32.26666666666667
484 / 16 = 30.25
Latitude
Latitude is also worked out, but by adding all 3 nearby systems instead, not the 2 furthest away; by how many light years separate them. So, 58.01ly + 20.01ly + 38.05ly = 116.07ly. Now we have this, all we simply do is divide by 4 - because all Latitudes across all ruins are "seemingly" universal.
116.07 / 2 = 58.035
116.07 / 3 = 38.69
116.07 / 4 = 29.0175
116.07 / 5 = 23.214
116.07 / 6 = 19.345
116.07 / 7 = 16.58142857142857
116.07 / 8 = 14.50875
Therefore, because only up to 16 numbers are used at any one time, these may mean co-ordinates:
Because there are 16 triangles on each side. 16 + 16 = 32 x 3 = 96 total triangles. The triangles may MEAN something, but it all depends whether or not Frontier went to the effort to program the exact co-ordinates into the network, or may have just randomly created each one (basically, they just glow randomly and provide us no benefit) - potentially because no one would know the algorithm any way. If they DID hope we would somehow work it out, I believe the numbers I've shown can now make it possible.
However, I think I've worked it out - and it is quite simple.
I would argue that ODD numbers of triangles that are lit (or not, depends on how many 4's, 8's, or 16's are lit or unlike on each side) are -XX.XXXX - whereby, if it was 7, you would subtract 1 to find the real division number to work out whether it meant 30,000 or negative lat/long -30,000. Whereas an EVEN amount of triangles lit up (or not lit up, depends what matches) will probably mean 30,0000 by 30,0000.
I've been working on this for hours, so I'll work on it more tomorrow. I firmly believe Star Drift may be the "science" reason why all the ruins in various systems are out of sync - and why there "seems" to be no decisive theory as to why one site is -29 by whatever or -31 by whatever.
I know my diagram looks very muddled, below - ignore most of the lines making triangles - the most important bits are the numbers you see being divided by 4 etc, in the white boxes and the white text descriptions, though I've basically just described it all any way.
http://i.imgur.com/RHODpnm.png
My rep is mostly for you signature. I'm sorry to say it, but this sounds like biblical numerology. Given enough numbers to choose from, any pattern could be found. Do you have any reason to believe that the Guardians would have cared about a system's coordinates? Or that their cartography system for the galaxy was in any way similar to ours? (I truly did like your thread on Guardian...morphology?)
4 was missing for me at site 1, and they never lit up so I know how many hours it takes
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Definitly a persistant one.
Now it's time to have some SRV investigation ...
I remember I had that happen as well, yesterday, I believe and there wa snothing but some meteorites and outcrops... one piece of rock (actually the one closest to the center of the POI) did have some rare element (can't remember which one, sorry), so perhaps it picks those up as well? Though those shouldn't be persistent... hmmh
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The system's coordinates probably aren't the same as ours, because Sol is in 0, 0, 0.
But they probably did have a coordinate system, a civilization obsessed with geometric shapes probably has a knack for mathematics as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if the symbols in the ruins ended up being a mathematical function leading to a coordinate of a planet in their plotting system, which might lead to their home planet if we figure out where 0, 0, 0 is much like our system.
3 series of maximum base-18 symbols, could very well be XYZ.
Mathematics is a universal tool, transcends language. The issue is the medium in which it's transferred. We use a base-10 system in hindu-arabic symbols.
That's why we sent our voyager probe out with a bunch of mathematical and scientific definitions. If anyone does find it, they would have the means to decode our system.
If this is right, then somewhere there ought to be a way to decode their mathematical system.
Edit: While in our system Sol is 0, 0, 0, we still use 1ly for each unit. 0, 0, 1 is exactly 1ly. The speed of light is another universal constant so it would probably be the same if there is a mathematics system in play giving coordinates and I'm not just looking into this too much.
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I'm so tired, good catch on 18 not 16, updated accordingly.
4 was missing for me at site 1, and they never lit up so I know how many hours it takes
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Definitly a persistant one.
Now it's time to have some SRV investigation ...
I had to bugout, get as close to center as possible before going down, keep ship level, there is rock near where you land, one that gives mats, it's persistent for me even after I'd harvested and logged, it seems to be that, I'm hoping they're not making those things POI's, there's already enough noise with random POI's.
dynamicbob
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rocks are now persistant POIs, are u sure its not a fulleride, volcanic vent or geyser ?
I've noticed something odd at the newest ruins site. Anyone else see an ambient temperature difference?
When I'm exploring, I like to land and turn everything off except for life support. I do love the ice crystals forming over a good Lakon cockpit!
While I'm near the center of the ruins, I hit 15% heat. With an A-rated PP in a DBX. Only an unmodified life support running.
If I move a few km away, my temp (in the same scenario) levels out at 10%.
Any thoughts?
When I'm exploring, I like to land and turn everything off except for life support. I do love the ice crystals forming over a good Lakon cockpit!
While I'm near the center of the ruins, I hit 15% heat. With an A-rated PP in a DBX. Only an unmodified life support running.
If I move a few km away, my temp (in the same scenario) levels out at 10%.
Any thoughts?
Could be worth investigating
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