The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Barking_Mad]

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And how do they then handle clothing? And much more important, can i read the HUD of other players from the outside?

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What was that about?

IIRC she was posting re: ship AI a lot and most of it was just replying to comments about some of the upcoming changes etc. Then IIRC at some point she was moved to do some other work which she wasn't happy about and she posted something on Twitter to that extent. No idea what happened after that but she still posts about stuff, so clearly no ban

 

[VidarSnipes]

Aaaand AliB's comments are removed.

Edit: I was wrong, see below.

 

[Voivod]

Aaaand AliB's comments are removed.

Open Development that opens up and swallows the truth.

 

[VidarSnipes]

Sorry, my bad, he reposted that from his official account, and the link in that post was connected to his old account. Here's a direct link to the thread: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/324310/programming-engine-api-hardware-etc/p5

 

[frostypaw]

Interesting thread on the subreddit following that Ali Brown post https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5swnpp/sq42_and_30_later_this_year_hmmm/

Interesting to see whole threads in their own territory that get more doubtful than we are here, and it's no longer being leapt on by the hoard. Is 3.0 going to break SC?

 

[marx]

Interesting to see whole threads in their own territory that get more doubtful than we are here, and it's no longer being leapt on by the hoard. Is 3.0 going to break SC?

Based on previous evidence, probably not. CIG can always ax half of the promised features and push out a build they label 3.0, and the most hardcore fans will lap it up regardless of quality. Squadron 42 would be a different cookie though, but it's not like they couldn't just release 3.0 this year and say that SQ42 still needs more work and will come out in 2018 instead. The devoted fans will still see 3.0 as meaningful progress.

The only question is just whether existing (super-)backers' patience will decrease faster than they can get new backers on.

 

[Cotic]

I don't think the faithful will. They tend to make a lot of noise but then allow themselves to be wooed by the latest shiny that's thrown their way. A complete lack of conviction.

 

[Rolan]

I'm just going to remember that Derek said too that Ali B had left the company last year. It's funny that the "proof" is that Ali B posted with his account, and saying what he says xD.

Mindblowing logic

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I'm just going to remember that Derek said too that Ali B had left the company last year. It's funny that the "proof" is that Ali B posted with his account, and saying what he says xD.

Mindblowing logic

To be fair, posting from different accounts doesn't prove or disprove anything. Considering NDAs, and what not, CIG would be very motivated to keep people who leave mouths shut and give impression of running airtight ship.

Anyway, that's a bit stale drama anyway. Hoping Ben's alright.

 

[Rolan]

To be fair, posting from different accounts doesn't prove or disprove anything. Considering NDAs, and what not, CIG would be very motivated to keep people who leave mouths shut and give impression of running airtight ship.

Anyway, that's a bit stale drama anyway. Hoping Ben's alright.

Ali B posted first with his personal account and later posted the same with his official account. I don't see how that(a mistake on which account you post from one different worker), guide anyone into the "Ben has been muzzled" story.

The only drama should come from what Ali B said, not from the desires or imagination of Derek.

 

[VidarSnipes]

Ali B posted first with his personal account and later posted the same with his official account. I don't see how that(a mistake on which account you post from one different worker), guide anyone into the "Ben has been muzzled" story.

The only drama should come from what Ali B said, not from the desires or imagination of Derek.

That's speculation based on the notion that Ben didn't post in that thread since AliB did, which isn't that much of a proof if you notice the most recent Ben's post was made only two days ago. As for the supposed firing of AliB, he did resume posting after over a year of inactivity, soon after rumoured conversions of employees to contractors and Smart's claims that he has lost his job.

 

[Asylum]

But they are buying ships which then morph into the ship they didn't buy.

They're just "making them better"

Hornet is ugly I never liked that bird...it's still ugly...

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Ali B posted first with his personal account and later posted the same with his official account. I don't see how that(a mistake on which account you post from one different worker), guide anyone into the "Ben has been muzzled" story.

The only drama should come from what Ali B said, not from the desires or imagination of Derek.

Well considering all information, there is something going on with hires and firing people...but I really care less and I don't overstate importance of that for CIG project as Derek loves to do. FD for example fired lineup of people after finishing Planet Coaster. Firing and hiring people is so regular these days especially for creative people it should not be seen as something alarming.

Anyway, Ben has fallen silent lately, I guess it was unavoidable for all things said and done.

 

[Asylum]

Well considering all information, there is something going on with hires and firing people...but I really care less and I don't overstate importance of that for CIG project as Derek loves to do. FD for example fired lineup of people after finishing Planet Coaster. Firing and hiring people is so regular these days especially for creative people it should not be seen as something alarming.

Anyway, Ben has fallen silent lately, I guess it was unavoidable for all things said and done.

The public response to Ben's statements were indicative that he would be muzzled. Saw that coming a hundred miles away...the stuff he spoke about in here was largely contained.

I enjoyed his openness to speak about the project from a technical perspective but always kind of assumed one day it would blow back in his face (unwarranted mind Yoü)....but don't with the outside perception.

It's clear based on CR saying 3.0 would drop dec 19 (hopefully before - implied date was 2016 so no funny business) and it didn't, never to be spoke of again that dropped features or missed mentioned deadlines aren't to be addressed publically.

"Let the Citizens fight it out"...

It's okay if CR says stuff not to be true, but other devs can't say jack especially if it is true.

Not open development and not the first time something like this has happened with SC.

Having Ben's attention in here was informative even if it was limited to graphics (something at this stage of the game I'm really not concerned with).

 

[ianw]

Ali B posted first with his personal account and later posted the same with his official account. I don't see how that(a mistake on which account you post from one different worker), guide anyone into the "Ben has been muzzled" story.

The only drama should come from what Ali B said, not from the desires or imagination of Derek.

Yes - that bit in bold. That makes Chris' statement about 3.0 for the end of the year even more laughable than it was when he uttered it.

But then ss far as I can see CIG/RSI have never given us many reasons to believe what they say by their actions or inactions after whatever has been said so CIG "lying" really isn't news.

I guess people are speculating about Ben being "muzzled" as anecdotally at least - his comments may have triggered a few more refunds.

Looking at the site though it seems the ask a dev threads still exist so I guess there's an inevtiability that sometimes they're going to say things that cause problems..

 

[GaryII]

The only drama should come from what Ali B said, not from the desires or imagination of Derek.

In BIG picture this is not even important, we understand that DS operates with rumors and just can not be 100 % right all the time...

But about v3.0 and SQ42 he was right and this is much more important then one dev from >350 people team..

 

[Rolan]

Anyway, Ben has fallen silent lately, I guess it was unavoidable for all things said and done.

Where? In the forums he posted last time this 7 of February, his other post is from 1 of February (and then the 31 of January and again silent back to December) and even here he only post from time to time. But well that's how it seem to work here...

 

[Ian Skippy]

I dont personally care if some dev was asked to keep silent or not. What I care is that all the big-shots at CIG been lying through their teeth about how progress is just around the corner when they knew 100% for sure it was factually impossible and never going to happen. Forget 'best space game ever', forget 'most open development'. This is the kind of garbage even UbiSoft and EA would be ashamed of.

"3.0 in december."? And know they tell us they will work on a crucial element needed to further work on 3.0 somewhere later this year? That means, if all goes well, at some point in 2017 they will be able to start working on something that was supposedly within three months of release a year ago? Really? Oh, how is 3.1 coming along, that was gonna be released in Q1 2017 right? Anyone looking forward to 4.0, with all professions and a whole new star system (a second system after six years, okay...)? Because that will surely release dec 2017 as promised, right?

Nope, we're just into 2017 and already we're being massaged into slowly expecting 3.0 not making it this year. In december we'll see it was expected, but 3.0 will surely release soon in 2018. And we'll get to that second system in 2019 for sure. Really. No joke. Honest to god. Meanwhile expect ship ads and sales to be pumped out exactly on schedule.

You want to know a little secret? Expect homesteading to receive a lot of attention. When they run out of ships to sell they'll jump into selling real estate.

 

[frostypaw]

You want to know a little secret? Expect homesteading to receive a lot of attention. When they run out of ships to sell they'll jump into selling real estate.

I've seen the chat about that too. I can only assume the 'homestead' demo got a few people's imaginations worked up as I can't remember anything official from CIG about it, but of course they're doing nothing to constrain the rumour mill

 

[Ian Skippy]

I've seen the chat about that too. I can only assume the 'homestead' demo got a few people's imaginations worked up as I can't remember anything official from CIG about it, but of course they're doing nothing to constrain the rumour mill

Two quotes from CR, the first 2014 and the second 2016:

“We're definitely going to let you acquire real estate on planets/locations, not sure if it'll be on every one, but maybe just the developed planets at first, like there might be a hangar you can buy on a nice planet, or a penthouse with a view or something. Longer term we want to have procedural new areas on planets that might be habitable, a settlement might get started, and might grow over time sim-city style. Longer term players might be able to have their homestead on it and stuff, but that's not day one. Definitely longer term we'll be doing this, it'll be quite fun!”

“ ...the planetary tech that we’re rolling out, the v2 stuff I’m really excited about -we’ll show you at CitizenCon - is allowing a lot more opportunity for different play experiences, as you can see here, so it’s not just dogfighting - there’s a whole bunch of other stuff and it also doesn’t always have to be about combat. Ultimately in the future I think if you wanted to go find a little spot on a planet and make a little homestead, we’re gonna let you do that. I mean we’ve got a huge amount of real estate now to play with.”

As a revenue source it makes sense. If you can sell JPEGs of non-existent ships, imagine offering to sell real-estate on a specific planet immediately after revealing a 'dev-version' of a tropical region of an ELW. Sure, it will be a few 'months' before the players can go there, but you can already order the best/beautiful/a-list/super-VIP regions now! Because we WILL deliver the gameplay, but if you wait for that all you'll be able to get is a dirty shack on a dusty ball of rock.