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Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free
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Stop posting after me, it makes me look bad. <3
Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Yeah no doubt, but the clear headed would equate this no differently than your local gardener sending you an email asking you to PAY to help them labor in a new project.
Bah. I have no desire to beta test and bless those who do.
Them charging for beta access is the least of my concerns for this game right now.
Just wanna play the darn thing and have fun with new, and working features, so test well gentlemen.
Them charging for beta access is the least of my concerns for this game right now.
Just wanna play the darn thing and have fun with new, and working features, so test well gentlemen.
Welcome to gaming 2017. This is not Nintendo, Electronic Arts or whatever your favorite gaming company is/was where they develop, test, release and distribute a game with company finds. Elite Dangerous is a game that was totally supported by the fanbase in a kickstarter program that in the beginning cost at least $300 to join and support the effort. It continues in that realm with support in the way of season passes, cosmetics in the Frontier Store, and a small fee to access Beta if you did not receive access as part of the kickstarter efforts. I for one accept and support this process as a viable way to launch a game which can cost millions with 8 figures to develop in today's gaming world. Without it I suspect Elite Dangerous would not exist or at best be severely limited in the process versus where it is now.
You think that it is tasteless for Frontier to charge for Beta Access. Fine. Nothing wrong with that opinion. I consider it a privelege to continue player support in the kickstarter venue with such a small fee to be a part of the great experiment. I'm a part owner of the game. Not in monetary terms but in emotional satisfaction and game play knowing that my investment helped to make this game happen and for others who didn't invest to enjoy playing it. Nothing wrong with that viewpoint as well.
If your goal is to vent then you have succeeded. If you are irritated by their email promotion one can take it up with the Frontier advertising department directly. If you seek Frontier to offer free Beta access then you will most likely not be happy with the results.
Update: Oh...I almost forgot. Frontier's promotions have also messed up big time in the past per not being clear on what was being offered for how much...probably the British usage of the English language. Maybe that tradition also continues as well!
Regards
You think that it is tasteless for Frontier to charge for Beta Access. Fine. Nothing wrong with that opinion. I consider it a privelege to continue player support in the kickstarter venue with such a small fee to be a part of the great experiment. I'm a part owner of the game. Not in monetary terms but in emotional satisfaction and game play knowing that my investment helped to make this game happen and for others who didn't invest to enjoy playing it. Nothing wrong with that viewpoint as well.
If your goal is to vent then you have succeeded. If you are irritated by their email promotion one can take it up with the Frontier advertising department directly. If you seek Frontier to offer free Beta access then you will most likely not be happy with the results.
Update: Oh...I almost forgot. Frontier's promotions have also messed up big time in the past per not being clear on what was being offered for how much...probably the British usage of the English language. Maybe that tradition also continues as well!
Regards
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They are not charging for the ability to download the Beta version(s). They are offering the privilege of Early Access to the new version before it is made available to existing Horizons customers.
I didn't put words in Frontier's mouth. I saw an advert that was sent to me that basically says, "Come on down to the paid portion of the beta to monkey around with Commander Creator and please give us feedback." - I assumed this means they want people to test this thing which is in their beta since they specifically state, "Let us know what you think". What else am I to assume? That they DON'T want me to come and test it and give feedback?
Annnnnd again, I really don't care that some people were empty enough in the brain area back in ye olden Kickstarter days that they cried up a storm to throw money at FD for early access to a beta. That is not what this thread is about, so enough of the "Oh but players begged FD to pay for beta therefore shut up about everything to do with the word 'beta'." I mean I know it's the custom here in this echo chamber to try and shut down any kind of criticism with irrelevant arguments designed to derail the conversation but c'mon fellas. Let's use those brains.
Here's the super simple version: I think it's bad form to advertise a paid beta like it's just another cosmetic or even a service/product that you [the developer/company] are offering to the customer/player. It's tasteless and generates an unnecessarily bad image in my honest opinion. I came here to say so.
All in favour feel free to speak. All against feel free to speak. All trying to troll or derail with non-relevant topics either through malice or because they didn't read and/or understand the OP feel free to stop doing that
I can't believe I just had to break down how a forum post works on a forum.... [alien] [yesnod]
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Maybe FD BETA servers have a cap on the number of players it can handle.
I very much doubt that FD would turn away money that is out there to be easily collected.
I purchased BETA, and it is was cheap at the price.
The opportunity presented and I took it. If you are unable to purchase now, remember that sometimes you don't get a chance to obtain "whatever" later.
I very much doubt that FD would turn away money that is out there to be easily collected.
I purchased BETA, and it is was cheap at the price.
The opportunity presented and I took it. If you are unable to purchase now, remember that sometimes you don't get a chance to obtain "whatever" later.
Yea, totally shameless. I already paid for the whole shebang Commander`s edition Season pass guff. I felt insulted when that popped up in my email. Seriously, Braben needs to have a chat with Marketing suits.
KEEP speaking up, pal, it`s because so few sheep didn`t speak up why we have this. This is how soceity goes to rubbish, a symptom of today`s greater problems.
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Nothing wrong with that opinion. Although I don't agree with how you see Frontier as a company in terms of generating revenue I still thank you for sharing your opinion and viewpoint in a polite manner.Welcome to gaming 2017. This is not Nintendo, Electronic Arts or whatever your favorite gaming company is/was where they develop, test, release and distribute a game with company finds. Elite Dangerous is a game that was totally supported by the fanbase in a kickstarter program that in the beginning cost at least $300 to join and support the effort. It continues in that realm with support in the way of season passes, cosmetics in the Frontier Store, and a small fee to access Beta if you did not receive access as part of the kickstarter efforts. I for one accept and support this process as a viable way to launch a game which can cost millions with 8 figures to develop in today's gaming world. Without it I suspect Elite Dangerous would not exist or at best be severely limited in the process versus where it is now.
You think that it is tasteless for Frontier to charge for Beta Access. Fine. Nothing wrong with that opinion. I consider it a privelege to continue player support in the kickstarter venue with such a small fee to be a part of the great experiment. I'm a part owner of the game. Not in monetary terms but in emotional satisfaction and game play knowing that my investment helped to make this game happen and for others who didn't invest to enjoy playing it. Nothing wrong with that viewpoint as well.
If your goal is to vent then you have succeeded. If you are irritated by their email promotion one can take it up with the Frontier advertising department directly. If you seek Frontier to offer free Beta access then you will most likely not be happy with the results.
Update: Oh...I almost forgot. Frontier's promotions have also messed up big time in the past per not being clear on what was being offered for how much...probably the British usage of the English language. Maybe that tradition also continues as well!
Regards
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Nice elitism there. True class [up]
Ian Phillips
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Every Beta we get exactly this thread repeated. Every time an email gets sent out informing the player base of the opportunity to partake in the beta proces, we get exactly this thread repeated.
The reasons for it being the way it is get repeated in every thread, so its fine to express your outrage at being informed about the beta, but do realise that nothing has changed since FD listened to their players and opened up access to the Beta's as those players requested.
The reasons for it being the way it is get repeated in every thread, so its fine to express your outrage at being informed about the beta, but do realise that nothing has changed since FD listened to their players and opened up access to the Beta's as those players requested.
Sure, FD is making some easy money but it's not like FD is charging a lot for access. It's less than the cost of paint job set for the remainder of the season. If you choose not to out of principle, that's perfectly your choice and not my concern.
Keep in mind that what goes on in Beta stays in Beta. It's a great time to try things that maybe you don't want on your permanent record. If you hit a bug, it's pretty easy to report it. I respect those who try to exhaustively wring every bug out of a new feature but I do enough of that in my RL job.
Keep in mind that what goes on in Beta stays in Beta. It's a great time to try things that maybe you don't want on your permanent record. If you hit a bug, it's pretty easy to report it. I respect those who try to exhaustively wring every bug out of a new feature but I do enough of that in my RL job.
Perhaps best to word it as "Early Access" rather than "Beta."
Then for true "free" beta access, they could provide an invite only (perhaps ED's version of the Evocoti group in SC) (if you receive an email invite based on known active participation in ED and agreed willingness to truly test software) where you would be required to submit a quota of bug reports/feedback on the beta to maintain your "free" cycle. The invitee aspect could be based on Frontier forum rep, or other measures where an invitee would actually provide real beta testing as compared to simply getting into the game early to play the new features. Plus, if true beta, invitees perhaps could be provided actual test scenarios/scripts to measure success/repeatably.
All in all, the paid offering right now, as I see it, is not really "beta testing" but rather paid early access to simply play the game. You are under no obligation to truly test or provide feedback correct?
HOWEVER, all the above I just wrote is likely meaningless as FD simply is providing paid early access which is ok and they do not appear to require true "beta" testing to debug the software.
Then for true "free" beta access, they could provide an invite only (perhaps ED's version of the Evocoti group in SC) (if you receive an email invite based on known active participation in ED and agreed willingness to truly test software) where you would be required to submit a quota of bug reports/feedback on the beta to maintain your "free" cycle. The invitee aspect could be based on Frontier forum rep, or other measures where an invitee would actually provide real beta testing as compared to simply getting into the game early to play the new features. Plus, if true beta, invitees perhaps could be provided actual test scenarios/scripts to measure success/repeatably.
All in all, the paid offering right now, as I see it, is not really "beta testing" but rather paid early access to simply play the game. You are under no obligation to truly test or provide feedback correct?
HOWEVER, all the above I just wrote is likely meaningless as FD simply is providing paid early access which is ok and they do not appear to require true "beta" testing to debug the software.
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Same here.
And, more to the point, I wouldn't play the beta if it was free. I don't like the idea of progress being removed.
I'm having too much fun in the game proper making tens of millions in Colonia at the moment .
Thanks to those who are playing the beta. Testing out 2.3 prior to release is making the game better for everyone.
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I'll take your word for it as you clearly have seen more of the forum than I have (the horrors you have seen
). It's the first time I'm getting this email so.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Perhaps there's a reason why the criticism is repeated? Provided there was actual criticism in all those previous threads and not always just "FD blows man!" I mean if FD's marketing tactic is being legitimately criticised every time then is there not the possibility that something might be wrong with their marketing tactic?
LOL...I know so well...It's like answering another post on where to find chemical manipulators for the 72nd time when the info and past discussions on any given topic are already on the Forum if one searches for it. Happy to help out others when I can but it takes away from game time!
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They don't.
They can sell whatever pleases them and whatever people want to buy.
They don't.
Most people get that every bit of money helps in the long term development of the game. This project is massive and will require a lot of money.
As far as I am concerned FD's image is fine.
They have enough.
You can be part of this one too....
if you pay a few bucks.
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
I'll take your word for it as you clearly have seen more of the forum than I have (the horrors you have seen
Perhaps there's a reason why the criticism is repeated? Provided there was actual criticism in all those previous threads and not always just "FD blows man!" I mean if FD's marketing tactic is being legitimately criticised every time then is there not the possibility that something might be wrong with their marketing tactic?
Ian is right - it does come up every single time.
In FD's defense, there isn't an easy way to change course at this point. They've been doing it this way since the beginning. If they completely change now the people who bought beta access years ago will be understandably ed. If they keep going the way they are then new players may be confused or concerned about the whole paid beta system. There is merit to both of these viewpoints. It's a real 'damned if you do/damned if you don't' situation for FD.
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