Ship name censored - turn off

[DaveB]

There is NOTHING wrong with FD implementing a profanity filter on cmdr names or ship names.
There is EVERYTHING wrong with one as stupidly broken and oversensitive as this where you cannot use normal inoffensive words without the filter having a fit of the vapors because some part of the word might, by an extreme stretch of the imagination, be profanity. And it isn't even consistent because it CAN'T be. English is an ancient language riddled with obscure idiom, synonyms and innuendos, some of which does indeed have its origin in blasphemy, obscenity and prejudice. Some of them still carry those connotations and are reasonable candidates for inclusion, others have long-since lost any taint of offensiveness and are not. Still others have acquired that whiff of opprobrium relatively recently. Many are short and consist of letter sequences that can appear as parts of other words. The current state of the profanity filter(s) both here on the forums and where it comes to ship names is beyond even Bowdlerisation. (look it up)

Newsflash, Frontier: Although we are privileged to be living during the rule of the longest-reigning monarch in English history, that sobriquet no longer applies to Victoria!

Since the very nature of the language precludes total accuracy, I appreciate you're in an awkward position here because computers are stupid like that. However, this is STUPID. Make it optional. Let us take the responsibility of not outfitting our ships with a "7A fainting couch" if we so choose.

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I'm glad censorship is on to prevent seeing people with their "hilarious" ship names

Shock humour is boring humour

A lot of gamers seem to think that its ok to be in games, thats why we cant have nice things like uncensored ship names

Oh the irony.. this from the poster employing a crude term for female genitalia that just happens to not be on the forum filters list.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Why you want to say other how they should play?

Oh, come off it. Overreact much?

I have no problem with FDev doing this (although they need an exceptions list).

As has been mentioned, this is a PEGI7 rated game. You can moan about that as much as you want, but it isn't going to change any time soon, and nor should it.

 

[rajziel]

Why you want to say other how they should play?

If someone want express him in stupid way, then he should have right to do it. Action and reaction. He name his ship stupidly and you can think what you want because you know who is who.
Everyone should have right to name his ship as he want (ok, except well known few offensive words) and deal with a consequences of it.
Do you want to play with a folk with a shipname SMS Schleswig-Holstein? Me not. However he should have a possibility to name it that way. Also SMS Adolf Hitler.

And how about people who want to play the game and enjoy it

Do you not know how it takes one racially derogative name to suck the enjoyment out of a game for someone

even if they dont interact with that player at all, the crashing reality that people are that hateful and dumb and will hurt you in real life if they get the chance can ruin a game experience.

This is a game for people to escape to and enjoy.

 

[DaveB]

And how about people who want to play the game and enjoy it

Do you not know how it takes one racially derogative name to suck the enjoyment out of a game for someone

even if they dont interact with that player at all, the crashing reality that people are that hateful and dumb and will hurt you in real life if they get the chance can ruin a game experience.

This is a game for people to escape to and enjoy.

And if you see something offensive, report it and move on, let them deal with it. Yes there are hateful and dumb people out there and they will do stuff like that. The point is that you can't stop them this way. Not in this language, at least. I applaud FD's attempt to try, but that attempt is broken.

 

[Mostly Hamless]

A simple password protected censorship toggle switch in the options would solve the entire issue. Don't want you or the kids to see the big bad words? You don't have to.

If you can't be bothered to take an interest in what your kids are playing then that's your issue, not mine.

There are already plenty of NPCs with ridiculous, immersion breaking names, yet we all put up with those. Please stop telling me what I should find offensive, I'm a big boy and really don't need protecting.

 

[Vandaahl]

Should always have an option to disable censoring.

Wow, thats a great idea. How did you figure that?
You should tell that to the Chinese. Really!

 

[GreyAreaUK]

A simple password protected censorship toggle switch in the options would solve the entire issue. Don't want you or the kids to see the big bad words? You don't have to.

If you can't be bothered to take an interest in what your kids are playing then that's your issue, not mine.

There are already plenty of NPCs with ridiculous, immersion breaking names, yet we all put up with those. Please stop telling me what I should find offensive, I'm a big boy and really don't need protecting.

That's nice.

If you really, actually feel strongly about this then I suggest you contact FDev directly instead of just whinging in a forum.

Until then the filter will remain in place and, frankly, I'm glad of that.

 

[rajziel]

And if you see something offensive, report it and move on, let them deal with it. Yes there are hateful and dumb people out there and they will do stuff like that. The point is that you can't stop them this way. Not in this language, at least. I applaud FD's attempt to try, but that attempt is broken.

You missed the point

It's not FD's job to stop people being morons
It's their job to create a gaming environment for people to enjoy
and censoring certain words does that

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Oh the irony.. this from the poster employing a crude term for female genitalia that just happens to not be on the forum filters list.

It's commonly used to mean idiot where I am

 

[Pyrotiger]

The game is PEGI7.

That's that.

Personally I can swear and cuss with the best of them. Or not. It's no big deal. But it's a PEGI7 game so if you really want to be rude and offensive, uninstall the game or raise it with FD. So the profanity filter is over-sensitive - I'm sure you can think of something else.

 

[DaveB]

It's commonly used to mean idiot where I am

I'm sure it is, but that doesn't change the FACT that it's as offensive as the c-word and being used in an identical context, insulting somebody by describing them as a woman's intimate parts.

I'm not arguing for the profanity filter to be removed. I'm saying it is BROKEN. Are you seriously saying that rendering the word "Embassy" in a ship name as "Emb***y" is how it should be working?

If FD are happy with it being this badly broken or cannot do anything about its hair-triggered nature then that, on its own, makes the argument that we should be able to take the blinkers off on our own screens and avoid having to deal with its idiosyncracies. - like, maybe, take a little personal responsibility?

 

[DocPossible]

It says something about human nature that a forum about a space sim / combat / MMO is mainly full of threads like this while anything to do with the mechanics or tactics of the game gets very little attention. It's true of nearly all gaming forums. I suppose opinions and high octane rants about 'rights' are easier to dash out than having to give any thought to a subject.

Seriously, it's not really about rude words or offending 'teh children'. No gaming company can allow free naming of player assets, because they're going to be swamped with things that are classed as hate speech by a large number of countries that they'd like to sell their stuff in. Ships denying the holocaust, calling for the extermination of muslims, gays, blacks etc etc. FDev are a gaming company, they've got better things to do than police the internet, so all they've done is slot in a generic content filter and let us name our ships within it's confines.

From their perspective, it's a lot easier to let a few overexcited individuals vent their spleen in a thread like this than to have news stories about a jewish kid being griefed by a pilot called hitler in a ship called Auschwitz...

 

[rajziel]

I'm sure it is, but that doesn't change the FACT that it's as offensive as the c-word and being used in an identical context, insulting somebody by describing them as a woman's intimate parts.

I'm not arguing for the profanity filter to be removed. I'm saying it is BROKEN. Are you seriously saying that rendering the word "Embassy" in a ship name as "Emb***y" is how it should be working?

If FD are happy with it being this badly broken or cannot do anything about its hair-triggered nature then that, on its own, makes the argument that we should be able to take the blinkers off on our own screens and avoid having to deal with its idiosyncracies. - like, maybe, take a little personal responsibility?

Well in the UK I have not come across anyone who finds it anywhere near as offensive as the c - word, and a lot of people dont even know the origin of the word but I see your point, and will try to use it less.

I'm not complaining about your issue with the profanity filter being overzealous, I was trying to point out why it should exist in some format to someone else

I'm assuming embassy is filtered because of the middle bit, and does seem like the profanity filter wasnt worked on properly.
If it's broken it does need to be fixed, I agree.

 

[VR Dextrovix]

I'll just take inspiration from the profanisaurus. My first ship name will be the Radar Trap.

I subscribe to Viz (still!), and they print a couple of pages of Rogers Profanisaurus each issue so there's a pretty large selection!

Euphemisms are definitely the way to go, if not entirely then decipherable by everyone else...

I see Radar Trap is on their list at the moment: http://viz.co.uk/category/rogers-profanisaurus

Personally I'm gonna go for Dirt Freckle for my Keelback, just for giggles.

 

[Kyokushin]

And how about people who want to play the game and enjoy it

Do you not know how it takes one racially derogative name to suck the enjoyment out of a game for someone

even if they dont interact with that player at all, the crashing reality that people are that hateful and dumb and will hurt you in real life if they get the chance can ruin a game experience.

This is a game for people to escape to and enjoy.

Dealing with the things which do not like?
If someone will feel offended by a Moby , then this is his problem because he felt offendend. He created problem and only he can stop it by stop feeling offendend.
If someone will have destroyed gameplay by someone other name then it should be. Yes, he should have ruined gameplay, because by his hypersensitive world feelings someone else will have ruined gameplay.

hypersensitve people should stop being selfish, because world do not care what they want. Someone other want to do something else and they should deal with it and move on.
If someone is hypersensitive it does not mean everyone need to watch to not offend him, and everything may offend him. That only mean HE is hypersensitive, nothing less and more.

Nobody should care about it if name is not breaking a common known social/community norms.

Why only one group of people who do not want something have right to enjoy the game? Why a folk who name his ship stupidly may not enjoy?
Or why my gameplay should be ruined by blocking someone else funny names? I would like to see it.

Stop discriminating people by a sense of humor. If you do not want someone jokes then do not laugh, but do not tell people when they can tell jokes.

If their jokes will be poor then they will get poor opinion.

If you do not have sens of humor, again, it is your problem, because You not have sense of humor, not a people who are telling his joke in shipname.

turn on/off filter switch is the compromise.

 

[Pakhuis1973]

I still managed to give 4 of my ships nice obscene names, wouldn't have it any other way.
2 of them the whole world will immediately understand.

Just use words derived from Latin. It is also easy when you are speaking a different language [smile].

 

[Cmdr Travers]

Hello,

How to turn off censorship in shipnames? I would like to see uncensored shipnames on other players ships.
I can deal with it can be offensive and swearing.

If it is not possible, maybe it will be good to give an option to 'turn off censor' for player who decide to see everything/

You shouldn't be able to use offensive words in your ship or Cmdr names at all, I fully support the ban. Just because you think something is funny, why should you force that onto other players you encounter?

It's not acceptable use of language in the real world, so why would it be acceptable to all the real people playing Elite Dangerous?

 

[rajziel]

Dealing with the things which do not like?
If someone will feel offended by a Moby , then this is his problem because he felt offendend. He created problem and only he can stop it by stop feeling offendend.
If someone will have destroyed gameplay by someone other name then it should be. Yes, he should have ruined gameplay, because by his hypersensitive world feelings someone else will have ruined gameplay.

hypersensitve people should stop being selfish, because world do not care what they want. Someone other want to do something else and they should deal with it and move on.
If someone is hypersensitive it does not mean everyone need to watch to not offend him, and everything may offend him. That only mean HE is hypersensitive, nothing less and more.

Nobody should care about it if name is not breaking a common known social/community norms.

Why only one group of people who do not want something have right to enjoy the game? Why a folk who name his ship stupidly may not enjoy?
Or why my gameplay should be ruined by blocking someone else funny names? I would like to see it.

Stop discriminating people by a sense of humor. If you do not want someone jokes then do not laugh, but do not tell people when they can tell jokes.

If their jokes will be poor then they will get poor opinion.

If you do not have sens of humor, again, it is your problem, because You not have sense of humor, not a people who are telling his joke in shipname.

turn on/off filter switch is the compromise.

If you think racially targeting people is a joke then you're beyond any reason

 

[Chaz]

You shouldn't be able to use offensive words in your ship or Cmdr names at all, I fully support the ban. Just because you think something is funny, why should you force that onto other players you encounter?

It's not acceptable use of language in the real world, so why would it be acceptable to all the real people playing Elite Dangerous?

And this is why the filter should be an option for those that are easily offended and those that frankly couldn't give a monkeys.

Enter any pub, walk down any town high street, go stand in a school playground for a minute and you'll hear plenty of bad language. Like it or not, swear words are part of the lexicon in the "real world" and have very likely been ever since language was developed.

Oh and by the way, I'm a "real" person too and the odd silly profane name doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[DaveB]

Well in the UK I have not come across anyone who finds it anywhere near as offensive as the c - word, and a lot of people dont even know the origin of the word but I see your point, and will try to use it less.

I'm not complaining about your issue with the profanity filter being overzealous, I was trying to point out why it should exist in some format to someone else

I'm assuming embassy is filtered because of the middle bit, and does seem like the profanity filter wasnt worked on properly.
If it's broken it does need to be fixed, I agree.

In the UK (quite a few) years ago I was given detention at school for using it in exactly the context that you did earlier, for exactly the reasons I cited. If it had fallen completely out of use in its original meaning, I would argue that you're quite correct in NOT finding it offensive. But it hasn't. It still shows up in its original context in writing in "certain genres" which I have had the misfortune to be asked to edit prior to publication

However, this speaks to the futility of attempting to make a "swear filter" comprehensive in English. It can't be done. Way too much of English idiom has a blasphemous or obscene origin, a further significant tranche of the language is steadily passing into idiom and "losing" its offensive context, although many folks using it would be horrified at what they were actually saying. Any swear filter misses a good two thirds of the former and overtriggers on the latter. In attempting to make it catch evasions you get the stupid situation where I can't use an inoffensive word on the forums that starts with the same three letters as the N-word, in case I was trying to be racist, but if I was looking to express exactly the same connotations how about making a skinhead holo-me, putting a union jack paintjob on the ship and naming it "clog the wog" - none of that would be filtered and is overtly disgustingly racist!

 

[Cmdr Travers]

And this is why the filter should be an option for those that are easily offended and those that frankly couldn't give a monkeys.

Enter any pub, walk down any town high street, go stand in a school playground for a minute and you'll hear plenty of bad language. Like it or not, swear words are part of the lexicon in the "real world" and have very likely been ever since language was developed.

Oh and by the way, I'm a "real" person too and the odd silly profane name doesn't bother me one bit.

If you go out anywhere in public you'll find people getting beaten up, robbed, stabbed and racially abused as well. These are part of the "real world" too. Should we consider those acceptable just because a minority, like the minority who swear, like to do them?

Should we also consider gassing people in Syria, torturing people in North Korea, and detention without trial in China acceptable just because a minority choose to do them?

You might consider these examples extreme, and they are, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. If you let people get away with the minor offences, then it can only escalate to other things.