Ship name censored - turn off

[rajziel]

In the UK (quite a few) years ago I was given detention at school for using it in exactly the context that you did earlier, for exactly the reasons I cited. If it had fallen completely out of use in its original meaning, I would argue that you're quite correct in NOT finding it offensive. But it hasn't. It still shows up in its original context in writing in "certain genres" which I have had the misfortune to be asked to edit prior to publication

However, this speaks to the futility of attempting to make a "swear filter" comprehensive in English. It can't be done. Way too much of English idiom has a blasphemous or obscene origin, a further significant tranche of the language is steadily passing into idiom and "losing" its offensive context, although many folks using it would be horrified at what they were actually saying. Any swear filter misses a good two thirds of the former and overtriggers on the latter. In attempting to make it catch evasions you get the stupid situation where I can't use an inoffensive word on the forums that starts with the same three letters as the N-word, in case I was trying to be racist, but if I was looking to express exactly the same connotations how about making a skinhead holo-me, putting a union jack paintjob on the ship and naming it "clog the wog" - none of that would be filtered and is overtly disgustingly racist!

Good point

I agree its a losing battle, but I think it still has to be made.

I think the point to be made is that we SHOULD have a profanity filter, but it needs to be worked on actively

Racial, gender and sexuality slurs should all be filtered, no questions asked.
Anything else can be argued as fair

But you cant stick a filter in and think "job's done"
Language is constantly evolving

 

[Mysturji]

This
I'm glad censorship is on to prevent seeing people with their "hilarious" ship names

Shock humour is boring humour

A lot of gamers seem to think that its ok to be in games, thats why we cant have nice things like uncensored ship names

... And yet in this post, you used a word that many people would find extremely offensive (and directed it at a group). I'm not offended. No-one can offend you without your permission, but your hypocrisy is mildly annoying.
How did you get that word past the swear filter by the way?

 

[OfftheRails]

pedophile (<- correct spelling??)

No, but I agree with your general points so I'll let it slide. A-.

 

[rajziel]

... And yet in this post, you used a word that many people would find extremely offensive (and directed it at a group). I'm not offended. No-one can offend you without your permission, but your hypocrisy is mildly annoying.
How did you get that word past the swear filter by the way?

ahh if you read on, the word is generally used to mean idiot these days, but as pointed out before yourself, there are still a lot of people who take it at it's original meaning.

It's not considered a swear word by many but is by some so I apologise for any offense caused

 

[Cmdr Travers]

No, but I agree with your general points so I'll let it slide. A-.

I think pedophile is the US spelling, but Americans don't know how to spell anything anyway

 

[Kyokushin]

You shouldn't be able to use offensive words in your ship or Cmdr names at all, I fully support the ban. Just because you think something is funny, why should you force that onto other players you encounter?

It's not acceptable use of language in the real world, so why would it be acceptable to all the real people playing Elite Dangerous?

He may not encounter me. I am not forcing anyone to encounter me. And i do not want to use offensive names. I would like to see all names, even from people who want to use different than political correctness names. I would like to see what paople got on mind, who they are.
For example: i just felt offended by your nickname now, because i am oversensitive. Should you be banned?

We are not talking about swearing what are common known offensive words. Thats obvious. But cucumber or "moby " are wrong?
There is a difference, between a reasonable mask of swearings what anyone here will agree, and stupid political corectness.

Best point of engagement are real world car and ship nameplates. What is allowed in RL is not offensive to people and is allowed by local law, and these things should be also avaiable in-game. They are in public domain where are also little childrens and hypersensitive people but these nameplates has been allowed to use. Same things should be allowed here.

 

[Rob At Work]

Then parents should look what their childrens are doing. Especially what game and how they are playing it.



But i am 36 and i would like to turn it off for myself. I can turn it on for my daughter.

It may be simple password protected parental control for parents who are not able to control their childrens or do not trust them.

However, in a game with killing, slavery, violence, human-trading - i think a stupid name is not a big deal

36 is a very impressionable age, you should leave it switched off IMO

 

[Zeeman]

Then parents should look what their childrens are doing. Especially what game and how they are playing it.



But i am 36 and i would like to turn it off for myself. I can turn it on for my daughter.

It may be simple password protected parental control for parents who are not able to control their childrens or do not trust them.

However, in a game with killing, slavery, violence, human-trading - i think a stupid name is not a big deal

Amen. I prefer to see the universe uncensored. I'm big and ugly enough to deal with it.

Z...

 

[nanite2000]

...just remembered we're in a game.

Bingo. It's a game.

So I take it between you and activists we should just assume everything is offensive and become elective mutes...?.

When you assume...

Freedom of speech is always wonderful when it works for you eh...*chuckles*. Nah, optional filter needed. Enabled by default if that's a problem for some. I'm a grown adult with a grown sense of humour and don't see why that has to be dimmed down because someone might let their 7 year old son crash their ship a few times.

Except the game is PEGI7, so if you don't like playing with 7 year olds, you need to play another game.

Also, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that someone who finds ships with dirty names funny has a "grown adult sense of humour".

Also, to reiterate - no one has a problem with the commander name censor. Why do we have a problem with the ship name censor??

 

[Kaltern]

So while I complain about lack of exploration and other content, I speak up so my views may be heard and discussed. That is a good thing, as a paying customer with regards to the longevity of the game.

Discussing a word filter, for a PEGI7 rated game, is not something that can be discussed. I work for a large social moderation company, and I spend hours a week trawling through Disney Club Penguin usernames, and I have to filter out anything that could even be considered bad, because of possible legal ramifications due to the rating put in place.

Frontier may have some priorities slightly misplaced in some areas. Name filtering is not one of them. It's not 'denial of freedom', it's legalities. And it's their game, their choice when it comes to what UGC (User Generated Content) is allowed. A name filter can be bypassed, regardless of PIN numbers, and Frontier have wisely chosen to not use one.

Now, let's go back to complaining about more important stuff?

 

[OfftheRails]

ahh if you read on, the word is generally used to mean idiot these days, but as pointed out before yourself, there are still a lot of people who take it at it's original meaning.

It's not considered a swear word by many but is by some so I apologise for any offense caused

It's pronounced "Thwaite"

 

[Kyokushin]

Except the game is PEGI7, so if you don't like playing with 7 year olds, you need to play another game.

Game with slavery, killing and dealing drugs is allowed for 7 years old kids? It is okay? In some EU countries a 40 years old citizens of some well known religions may marry 6 years old girl, but it is really direction where we should go?

And 'cucumber' shipname, or 'moby ' what is very often a school lecture is too hard?

World will end, fortunately not where i live.

 

[Mysturji]

ahh if you read on, the word is generally used to mean idiot these days, but as pointed out before yourself, there are still a lot of people who take it at it's original meaning.

It's not considered a swear word by many but is by some so I apologise for any offense caused

As I said, I'm not offended. I do a lot of motorway driving, so I use that word a lot.
I have always understood it to mean "stupid c...", and therefore more pejorative than the c word. The fact that you used it in a post praising the virtues of censorship (specifically censorship of "rude" words) is baffling.

 

[Zeeman]

You shouldn't be able to use offensive words in your ship or Cmdr names at all, I fully support the ban. Just because you think something is funny, why should you force that onto other players you encounter?

It's not acceptable use of language in the real world, so why would it be acceptable to all the real people playing Elite Dangerous?

I don't know... I her people using "naughty words" all over the place and all the time. I couldn't care less. I personally only use such words to ad emphasis. Seeing as I don't swear much, if I throw in a four letter word or two, people know I'm am being very serious with my point.

Now, whilst I support your right to not have to see or hear such words, I also support the rights of others (such as myself) whom will happily go through life without batting an eyelid at naughty words, even if they rain from the sky. As such, an "opt in" system would make everyone happy, no?

Or.. Do you presume to tell me what I should and should not hear?

Z...

 

[SeaFireliv]

Nope there should be no censorship of names- Even if I find them offensive. Too much snowflake `no offend` nonsense here that`s making babies out of people today. games don`t help in this at all. And people play games a lot these days.

 

[OfftheRails]

It's not acceptable use of language in the real world, so why would it be acceptable to all the real people playing Elite Dangerous?

Spoiler

 

[Zeeman]

Bingo. It's a game.



When you assume...



Except the game is PEGI7, so if you don't like playing with 7 year olds, you need to play another game.

Also, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that someone who finds ships with dirty names funny has a "grown adult sense of humour".

Also, to reiterate - no one has a problem with the commander name censor. Why do we have a problem with the ship name censor??

I suspect very few 7 year olds play, and of those that do, it's probably a parent letting them fly the training missions. And, seriously, I knew what swear words were when I was 7, it's not new. Like it or not, 7 year olds know how to swear, they just know better than to swear in front of adults - thus, we choose to live in ignorance, and forget our own childhood. Not to condone or encourage children to swear, of course, but we should probably all stop using "think of the children" as an excuse, because, someone needs to start thinking of the adults.

Z...

 

[DocPossible]

Read Kaltern's post (and my earlier one). That's ultimately what it's about. Hate speech and the PEGI 7 rating trump your thick skins.

It does look like it's over sensitive (see the other megathread for examples of it's stupidity), but if you think you can write a better one, start a kickstarter and sell it to every MMO and FPS in the world.

Now, who wants to see my vinegar stroke?

 

[SeaFireliv]

Read Kaltern's post (and my earlier one). That's ultimately what it's about. Hate speech and the PEGI 7 rating trump your thick skins.

It does look like it's over sensitive (see the other megathread for examples of it's stupidity), but if you think you can write a better one, start a kickstarter and sell it to every MMO and FPS in the world.

Now, who wants to see my vinegar stroke?

Oh please stop with the `hate speech` nonsense. The rating means nothing, game Devs know that. Can`t you see how this has been used to make EVERYTHING hate speech? Therby limiting any kind of freedom of expresion or creativity. It`s just another form of totalitarian dictatorship. Please stop drinking the cool-aid.

 

[DocPossible]

Oh please stop with the `hate speech` nonsense. The rating means nothing, game Devs know that. Can`t you see how this has been used to make EVERYTHING hate speech? Therby limiting any kind of freedom of expresion or creativity. It`s just another form of totalitarian dictatorship. Please stop drinking the cool-aid.

Take it up with your government then. I don't think FD or this forum has the power to enact or ignore legislation in (say) the UK, US or Germany. Personally I think PC does go too far sometimes (see the Black Lives matter campaign group here in the UK if you need a laugh), but the game's PEGI rating is what it is. GTA has a different rating and things are very different in that world