don´t think it will stop anyone from it, but it will be a boring and useless addition to the game for sure
Elite: Harmless - Karma System aka "be the Tamagotchi" - FRESH SALT, MINED RIGHT HERE
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don´t think it will stop anyone from it, but it will be a boring and useless addition to the game for sure
TL-DR: "I think any punitive measures applied by the game should be stuff that I don't care about"
Sorry OP, you're in the minority, this has been discussed A LOT, and polled. The majority of players want a balance between a crime and its' consequence.
You want to be bad and be dangerous, well, if and when you get a C&P out in place, you can make your ED experience as hairy as you want, just be a professional criminal. You will really need to "git gud".
I'm on a salt restricted diet, someone can use my portion on their snacks.
You want to be bad and be dangerous, well, if and when you get a C&P out in place, you can make your ED experience as hairy as you want, just be a professional criminal. You will really need to "git gud".
I'm on a salt restricted diet, someone can use my portion on their snacks.
every disconnect for me is ungraceful, and frequently occurs during combat in a RES.
logging back in again is terrifying enough, will my ship have spawned inside an asteroid and explode when i appear in it?
and FD want to hold *ME* responsible for this? jeez, my bad karma would mean i'd be Galactic Enemy #1 after a month...
Then why are you so salty about it?
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Except those are one-offs. Karma is about longer term ramifications for consistently bad behaviour.
"mememe" to icerbergdx. happy now? My particular, current, or future style of playing was not background of this. I like many
elements of the game, and combat (in any way) is just one of it. But if i am doing something else, i STILL TAKE CARE and make
sure i can always run. People that do not want this, should go to solo mode honestly. This is how the game was designd
Ok, if you ask for it, here for the cheese flavour.
They will never manage to hold griefers or gankers more accountable with such a karma system.
Just look at how things were "fixed" in the past...how new balance issues get into the game with
every patch? So do you expect stuff to work out seriously, with such a complex and complicated
karma system? THIS is the biggest issue i have with it, it is komplex, useless, over the top. It
is always understood as "not wanting to face consequences for actions" blablabla. No, ask around
elite player base of pirates and playerkillers. Most of them find it utterly stupid that there is
no punishment system, no proper bounty for the kill, nothing to get out of it but the "fun" it gives
them. But solve this with a Karma System? Sounds like some sort of joke:
- it will not stop griefers or gankers. it will just alter how it might be done. there will always be griefers in a game where people can die. Making it harder
for them can be accomplished with proper (long enough!!) beta testing.
- it will be too complicated to work. too many different situations that the system must handle, and from experience i´d say half of them will not be brought up and
considered before such a system is life.
- frontier would still have to look into particular cases and get a lot of tickets about "karma related" issues. i also don´t see that happen
Punishment for killing another player - if altered from what it is now - must be kept much more simple. Any complicated mechanic that is implemented to make this "fair" will probably just
screw it up even more, and give griefers and gankers new ground. Have they learned nothing from their mistakes....
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...and also it would not stop you from playing "one week - one week saint" style. ;-)
or murder everyone this week...next week i´m gonna escort the nubs around the galaxy and earn them some multicrew credits ... so that would finally also cover griefers with personality disorder
My particular, current, or future style of playing was not background of this. I like manyelements of the game, and combat (in any way) is just one of it. But if i am doing something else, i STILL TAKE CARE and make
sure i can always run. People that do not want this, should go to solo mode honestly. This is how the game was designd
Ok, if you ask for it, here for the cheese flavour.
They will never manage to hold griefers or gankers more accountable with such a karma system.
Just look at how things were "fixed" in the past...how new balance issues get into the game with
every patch? So do you expect stuff to work out seriously, with such a complex and complicated
karma system? THIS is the biggest issue i have with it, it is komplex, useless, over the top. It
is always understood as "not wanting to face consequences for actions" blablabla. No, ask around
elite player base of pirates and playerkillers. Most of them find it utterly stupid that there is
no punishment system, no proper bounty for the kill, nothing to get out of it but the "fun" it gives
them. But solve this with a Karma System? Sounds like some sort of joke:
- it will not stop griefers or gankers. it will just alter how it might be done. there will always be griefers in a game where people can die. Making it harder
for them can be accomplished with proper (long enough!!) beta testing.
- it will be too complicated to work. too many different situations that the system must handle, and from experience i´d say half of them will not be brought up and
considered before such a system is life.
- frontier would still have to look into particular cases and get a lot of tickets about "karma related" issues. i also don´t see that happen
Punishment for killing another player - if altered from what it is now - must be kept much more simple. Any complicated mechanic that is implemented to make this "fair" will probably just
screw it up even more, and give griefers and gankers new ground. Have they learned nothing from their mistakes....
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...and also it would not stop you from playing "one week - one week saint" style. ;-)
or murder everyone this week...next week i´m gonna escort the nubs around the galaxy and earn them some multicrew credits ... so that would finally also cover griefers with personality disorder
Do you only disconnect when your ship is about to be destroyed, by any chance? Because that would be very strange, wouldn't it?
On the other hand, if you keep getting disconnected due to a poor internet connection, that's not Frontier's fault, is it?
Would I be right in saying that this has happened to you precisely zero times? And if it *has* actually happened, I'd want to se proof (as I'm sure Frontier would to).
Frontier are unlikely to make players responsible for disconnects that they caused themselves!
Jeez - if these are the best reasons you can come up with for not wanting a Karma system, then I'd say Frontier are on the right track.
Oh you started off so well, and then this faux pas ... shame !
The salt is strong with this one....who needs Siberia when you have ranje .
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You clearly don't know the actual meaning of the title as stated by braben. Do your homework because this "argument" of yours is total garbage.
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Pretty much this.
Certain players: "We go around ganking and griefing due to ED lacking any sort of consequences. We do it because we can get away with it"
FD: "Ok, we will do something to add punishment for unsporting behaviour, but we will still want parts of the galaxy to be dangerous. Differentiate more between high and low sec."
Certain players: "Oh, this is terrible, we really don't want consequences for our actions! We actually just get our kicks out of blowing up low risk and unwanted players in high sec systems."
FD: "Ok, we will do something to add punishment for unsporting behaviour, but we will still want parts of the galaxy to be dangerous. Differentiate more between high and low sec."
Certain players: "Oh, this is terrible, we really don't want consequences for our actions! We actually just get our kicks out of blowing up low risk and unwanted players in high sec systems."
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Have virtual rep. On my phone and I don't see a button for that
TIL that there are different flavours of forum salt. The stuff that's been pouring for the last 36 hours or so has a noticeably different taste, and makes a nice break from the more traditional salts of yesteryear. Thanks to all involved in bringing this new experience to my palate.
If you want to be a badass pirate / killer you can actually be one with a karma system. Currently there is nothing Dangerous in the game for you. A high security system is a joke. The only reason you chose to be a murdering PvPer is because you don't like risk or consequences. There is NOTHING dangerous about attacking a harmless Sidewinder in LHS 3447. Introducing a Karma system would mean that you are still able to do it, but you must accept the consequences of your behaviour. Your new base of operations will be an Anarchy, because most civilised systems revoked your docking and insurance rights (after you made 500 people leave open because you repeatedly killed them in Sidewinders with your all mighty Cutter). Your argument actually goes AGAINST your wishes. If you want the game to be dangerous start with yourself.
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It's not called Karma because there is something spiritual about it, but because it remembers your action even after paying bounties and fines. You could also call it a reputation system, but since this term is already used in game it would be even more confusing.
So if you want to play a character with a bad reputation, why do you think the game shouldn't actually acknowledge your reputation?
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It's not called Karma because there is something spiritual about it, but because it remembers your action even after paying bounties and fines. You could also call it a reputation system, but since this term is already used in game it would be even more confusing.
So if you want to play a character with a bad reputation, why do you think the game shouldn't actually acknowledge your reputation?
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no but it's not mine either. so flagging me as having done in immoral action when in fact i have not, is in itself immoral
as to your previous statement, i can only guess that you're looking at yourself and thinking "this is what i would do, so he must too." - i was talking about fighting NPCs in a RES and being disconnected. tell me, why the hell would i combat log out of a fight i was winning?