Good job frontier! Engineer exploit fixed in 24 hours!
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Also remember when that information was "given to us freely"; at the same time as a Beta was out that closed that specific loophole. It looked to me like more of a "Neener-neener, this is how we've been doing it since forever. Now you can have it for a few days before it closes."
Several well-known PvP groups knew about and used the 5-for-1 exploit. Which members of those groups did, only FDev knows. The only way the rest of the community will know is by admission from the players themselves.
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Solution is simple to me, or engeneers desappear and we go back vanilla or they find a different way to make the roll, or they make resources tradable.....
This way everyone can get the mats, sell them or use them.
This game is supposed to be a Simulator not a boring grindfest, because how many here wants or have fun looking for random mats and wait for random roll???
I think only whiteknights that dont really go out of PG very often.
This way everyone can get the mats, sell them or use them.
This game is supposed to be a Simulator not a boring grindfest, because how many here wants or have fun looking for random mats and wait for random roll???
I think only whiteknights that dont really go out of PG very often.
I would guess that the devs have a lot of records to check and get it right when it comes to the exploit users... however i think the only time we will know if any action has been taken is when the forum posts roll in regarding why little timmy's ship has all stock modules. Just like with cheats and hack i think FD will stay tight lipped as per their modus operandi.
That being said i highly doubt that there will be any bans, shadow or otherwise. Simply the loss of modules effected , which i think is entirely fair.
That being said i highly doubt that there will be any bans, shadow or otherwise. Simply the loss of modules effected , which i think is entirely fair.
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This must be like some kind of social fail thing where one crew is talking trash about another crew. But anyone a few blocks away doesn't even know they exist.
Just give out private servers already so we can go full CoD. It's not like the BGS will care about whatever random block fight is going on.
So much less to care about.
Just give out private servers already so we can go full CoD. It's not like the BGS will care about whatever random block fight is going on.
So much less to care about.
So next exploit we all might as well use it then? I mean worst that will happen is you have it taken off you.
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Yep pretty much , no seriously though i dont see banning as an option personally .. if it were hacks or cheats rather than simply closing the roll screen before the roll is finished then i would agree that banning should most definately happen but in my opinion it was FD who made it possible, furthermore they were well informed of it (from what i understand some time ago yet took no action).
I should add that all modules on my ships were obtained legitimately and no exploiting , its just how i personally view it.
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It doesn't matter how you did it, it's an intentional effort to hack/exploit, it's the affect on the game that matters.
The integrity of the game requires that there's punitive action.
Otherwise there's no reason not to exploit.
And so when the next exploit turns up the problem will be even worse. And further no-one's gonna bother reporting because Frontier clearly don't do anything anyway when you do that.
These players made a choice, a permanent shadow ban is a fair and reasonable response. It's what other companies who actually take the integrity of their online games seriously do.
There is nothing at all stopping that shadow banned player grabbing a 2nd account, taking it on the chin, and Quincing their way back quicktime, lesson learned and a positive and strong message sent. Frontier, the game and we as a community then win.
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I can understand your views on the subject and to a degree i do agree with you that online games should have zero tolerance when it comes to cheaters , i have a long history of online play and cannot stand cheaters but i dont see this as a cheat per se ... yes they exploited the system (and wrongfully so i agree) but there is a certain grey area when it comes to FD being informed of it and them seemingly taking no action or preventative measure. From what ive read on the matter they sat back and allowed it to get to this point and only took action when it was revealed to the playerbase at large.
Sorry im going a bit off track , just finished a nighshift
... but the TL;DR of my point is its a very strange position that FD finds itself and i have to ask why they did nothing when it was 1st brought to their attention (or did it just not get noticed in the reports?).
Sorry im going a bit off track , just finished a nighshift
... but the TL;DR of my point is its a very strange position that FD finds itself and i have to ask why they did nothing when it was 1st brought to their attention (or did it just not get noticed in the reports?).
After an incident like this every ship is a cheat ship, until proven clean.
It's up to FD to prove this, not the poor guy that used a clean ship.
Grade 5 upgrades for grade 1 cost is an exploit.
It means exploiting players have ships beyond what is possible for any non-exploiting player.
Yes the issue now is that the community has two problems :
- Exploiting
- Frontier
And Frontier's continued silence on the matter isn't helping. All they've done so far is quote the code of conduct.
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I would disagree with you on the matter of exploiter vs non exploiter. A non exploiter can get the same stats as an exploiter but the work involved is astronomical in comparison to someone who gained it through skullduggery. Or a blind luck roll since its a slot machine luck of the draw scenario, if you have enough materials then the law of probability means that at some point you will get a 'god roll' but when is the real question.
Yes there should be a punishment for the exploiters , to what degree that is i can only defer to FD.
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Statistics says he is a cheater. We know SDC used the crack train and they released the info probably when it was obsolete.
Now the menu switch method is obsolete and the info is released. 13th have obviously found something better. SDC will be working overtime to find out what they have.
Their anonymous player accounts are running hot to see which hacks go undetected by the the game. To groups like 13th and SDC(there are more), this is how they play the game. To them, the meta-game is bigger than the game.
Yeah... Sure... And that's why they fly dropships and lightweight paperplane FDLs... And vipers. That's so meta!
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Not saying they don't play the game as well. In the internal powers struggle between these groups, anything goes though.
They don't even keep it secret. Just the actual methods are kept quiet about.
+1. This is the least I expect and will be a determining factor in deciding if I should return to ED. I am glad I played the golden age of ED (beta to 2.1). I am shocked about the extent of cheating which goes unpunished by FD. From unofficial sources I have heard that the 13th are not the only group to have used this exploit and that this was probably known by others who kept a tight lip while turning a blind eye to their members using this. In my eyes this has discredited ED and parts of PVP community and anything less than a permanent shadow ban and removal of all god modules from the game would be encouraging future exploiters. This guys knew well what they were doing - time to face the music now. One thing that will leave a lasting legacy will be mistrust. Mistrust between players and FD, and mistrust between players. I have no intention to play a game rife with cheaters, credit cheaters, combat loggers and worst of all god module exploiters. I will remember the good ol days and my respect goes out to all honourable PVP-ers who endured a year of unfair fights. You are the true elites of ED universe. o7
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This is why Frontier should have addressed the issue directly to the community as soon as the exploit was brought to their attention.
If you report a bug and the developers do nothing about it and say nothing about it then at what point do you begin to consider the bug to be legitimate content?
Exploit gets submitted as a bug. Nothing is done to close the loophole. Nobody gets punished for abusing it. Players are left with the option of either ignoring an easy method to increase their competitiveness and risk being left behind in the escalating arms race that is Engineers or to assume that Frontier's silence on the matter is a defacto admission that utilizing the exploit is legitimate. It's easy to convince yourself that it's okay because "everyone else is doing it".
For months now easy G5 "god rolls" has been the in-game meta while most of us were left in the dark. Nothing was done to remediate the issue during that timeframe.
Unlike some of the previous exploits that were mostly about credits ... this one really does effect the entire community. If there are players out there who get to keep their exploited ship builds then you've just nailed shut the coffin on Open Play. They'll either need to strip the offenders of their god-modded modules or fix Engineering so that it doesn't depend on a random number generator thus allowing the rest of us to "catch up" via some strange new grind.
Alternatively they could give the offenders a 30-day heads up asking them to voluntarily sell all of their exploited modules or face having all of their assets liquidated. They'd be back in a Sidey at Trevithick Dock ... albeit with their credits intact.
I'm not happy with the idea of punishing players for taking advantage of something that the game allowed them to do and the developers knew about but failed to fix. I'm also, however, not happy with the idea of a galaxy full of other players who have shipbuilds that I can never hope to compete against. There's no silver bullet that's going to fix this in a fair way. It's just a mess. A mess that somebody needs to clean up.
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Eh, that is kind of the whole problem with this cheat.
Some commanders on some of these threads seem very sensitive about this subject and the question of what punishment should be applied to the cheats who have used this exploit.
thinking about it,
i have realised - potter can't have had cheated modules.
he wouldn't be able to play in open for the nexdt 30 days, if he was found to have one.
cheaters have been banned, according the anouncement.
but i set a good example how the existance of exploits and cheats, and the vague anouncement of the DEVs creates a toxic enviroment where noone trusts pvp'ers to play legit.
Isn't that the job of comminity managers to fight the doubts of the community about the competence of the GMs and DEVs ?
i have realised - potter can't have had cheated modules.
he wouldn't be able to play in open for the nexdt 30 days, if he was found to have one.
cheaters have been banned, according the anouncement.
but i set a good example how the existance of exploits and cheats, and the vague anouncement of the DEVs creates a toxic enviroment where noone trusts pvp'ers to play legit.
Isn't that the job of comminity managers to fight the doubts of the community about the competence of the GMs and DEVs ?
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