I was going to check them out for myself, but, after plotting a course in, it's over 400LY away, so I looked at your pics instead. Nice captures.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn
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I was going to check them out for myself, but, after plotting a course in, it's over 400LY away, so I looked at your pics instead. Nice captures.
Hasn't it been said repeatedly that they use the same hyperspace engines we do, they just can't use SC?
OK, managed to get the transcript myself. Feel stupid now. "Thargoid Return"
So, with the acknowledgement of a potential massive cover-up by DBOBE in the trailer; it seems reasonable to revisit the early theories about the UA's (and likely UP's) origin and consider that they might well have been bang-on.
TL;DR: UAs and UPs are human made 'Thargoid detectors' and whoever made them is a previously unknown agency (altho could reasonably be referred to as INRA until we have another name) with a likely presence somewhere in Merope, probably on or near 5C
Specifically the anthropic elements which we all know so well:
- Using morse code to transmit information
- 2D line drawings with alphanumeric coordinates to transmit ship drawings
- Using a sonogram to transmit information
- That they were first found in human military convoys of both Fed and Imp (and possible Alliance, I can't remember if that was ever confirmed)
Despite their obviously alien-like nature, it seems to me the old idea that they are old alien tech repurposed for a human use is absolutely compelling.
The waters were muddied with the UA shell because it gave us a correlation between the barnacle sites in the Pleiades and the UAs, but the exact link was debatable. Because it seemed equally reasonable that they were somehow 'protecting' the site from incursion, and that it was the barnacle makers who put them there; as it did that humans had put them there.
Plus, the use of human communication methods by the UAs and UPs was easy to dismiss from our side of the fourth wall: they were puzzles made by humans, for humans, and therefore of course they'd use human readable messages.
But if you assume that UAs and UPs are human-made, that their manufacturers wish to remain hidden and that they have tried very hard to keep all knowledge of both them and any Thargoid history under wraps -then lots of things make sense.
Not least those anthropic elements above, but also things such as the sabotage of Palin's original lab, the murky way that the Halsey storyline unfolded - with her being replaced by a militaristic leader as well as being left in the black for months, and even potentially the fact that UAs damage ship modules and stations.
It allows us to make a few very plausible statements, or mental leaps in some cases, too:
- Both UAs and UPs exist to *detect* Thargoid activity
- They didn't magically arrive at the locations we now find them: they were taken there by convoys from both Fed and Imp space in a massive operation.
- Whoever did that is either incredibly rich; like, major-faction rich, or is above money
- The UA/UP placement reflects the fact that whoever made them knew a likely area to look (possibly based on pre-existing knowledge of barnacles before the players themselves discovered them)
- The UA's purpose is not to scan our ships - but to detect these flower ships and hopefully send 'scans' of them back to base
- Palin was sabotaged because any close scrutiny of the artefacts/probes would eventually lead to their human origins being discovered.
- The receiver of the information broadcasted by the probes/artefacts is on Merope 5C(!?) as we initially thought. But it's not alien: it's human.
- The absence of a UA shell, or presence of any probes, around the other nebulae where barnacles can be found suggests that 'they' might not even know about them.
If there is any possibility of finding evidence of this hidden human actor, then I think we need to get on the case. It could be there somewhere, and perhaps the reason we haven't found it yet is not because it's not there, but because we've been looking for the wrong thing.
Either way - if I, and the many other people whose ideas have contributed to this post, are right - then we might be looking at a bigger enemy than the Thargoids here. Equally, we might not have a choice about things going south despite our best attempts.
Sorry for such a long post! o7
TL;DR: UAs and UPs are human made 'Thargoid detectors' and whoever made them is a previously unknown agency (altho could reasonably be referred to as INRA until we have another name) with a likely presence somewhere in Merope, probably on or near 5C
Specifically the anthropic elements which we all know so well:
- Using morse code to transmit information
- 2D line drawings with alphanumeric coordinates to transmit ship drawings
- Using a sonogram to transmit information
- That they were first found in human military convoys of both Fed and Imp (and possible Alliance, I can't remember if that was ever confirmed)
Despite their obviously alien-like nature, it seems to me the old idea that they are old alien tech repurposed for a human use is absolutely compelling.
The waters were muddied with the UA shell because it gave us a correlation between the barnacle sites in the Pleiades and the UAs, but the exact link was debatable. Because it seemed equally reasonable that they were somehow 'protecting' the site from incursion, and that it was the barnacle makers who put them there; as it did that humans had put them there.
Plus, the use of human communication methods by the UAs and UPs was easy to dismiss from our side of the fourth wall: they were puzzles made by humans, for humans, and therefore of course they'd use human readable messages.
But if you assume that UAs and UPs are human-made, that their manufacturers wish to remain hidden and that they have tried very hard to keep all knowledge of both them and any Thargoid history under wraps -then lots of things make sense.
Not least those anthropic elements above, but also things such as the sabotage of Palin's original lab, the murky way that the Halsey storyline unfolded - with her being replaced by a militaristic leader as well as being left in the black for months, and even potentially the fact that UAs damage ship modules and stations.
It allows us to make a few very plausible statements, or mental leaps in some cases, too:
- Both UAs and UPs exist to *detect* Thargoid activity
- They didn't magically arrive at the locations we now find them: they were taken there by convoys from both Fed and Imp space in a massive operation.
- Whoever did that is either incredibly rich; like, major-faction rich, or is above money
- The UA/UP placement reflects the fact that whoever made them knew a likely area to look (possibly based on pre-existing knowledge of barnacles before the players themselves discovered them)
- The UA's purpose is not to scan our ships - but to detect these flower ships and hopefully send 'scans' of them back to base
- Palin was sabotaged because any close scrutiny of the artefacts/probes would eventually lead to their human origins being discovered.
- The receiver of the information broadcasted by the probes/artefacts is on Merope 5C(!?) as we initially thought. But it's not alien: it's human.
- The absence of a UA shell, or presence of any probes, around the other nebulae where barnacles can be found suggests that 'they' might not even know about them.
If there is any possibility of finding evidence of this hidden human actor, then I think we need to get on the case. It could be there somewhere, and perhaps the reason we haven't found it yet is not because it's not there, but because we've been looking for the wrong thing.
Either way - if I, and the many other people whose ideas have contributed to this post, are right - then we might be looking at a bigger enemy than the Thargoids here. Equally, we might not have a choice about things going south despite our best attempts.
Sorry for such a long post! o7
Or the flowerships are Oresrian and chasing down Thargoids (octagonal ships) who had previously attacked the Feds.
IF the flowerships are Oresrian then they are at war with the Thargoids who obviously have weaponry capable of destroying them. However we have seen no obvious weapon damage on the flowership wrecks to date.
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Or an Oresrian ship? We have no evidence for any option, just inference that they are Thargoid from their appearance in a "2.4 The Return of the Thargoids" video which makes me suspicious, so I think they are Oresrian & FD are trying to get us to shoot the good guys who could help us with technology to fight the Thargs.
Did you see the green fireflies.
Nope, missed that. Do we have a YT link to the video yet?
if Thargoid fireflies are green, and all the fireflies we have seen to date are blue, then it might be a bit of evidence that UA/UP/Barneys/flowerships are all not Thargoid, so maybe Oresrian...
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Man, it seemed so implausible at the time.
- The original UA convoys were deploying not retrieving? if so then the corrosion effect? implies this was new tech?
- Meta-alloy subsequently found in military convoys
- The link between meta-alloy and barnacles? hmm it implies the corrosive effect is an unintended side effect of alien tech and not a human addition?
- The UAs at the crash site(s), the flowerships were collecting/investigating not deploying them?
- The EMP blast from the UP, is a touch confusing, starting to weaponize them?
- Nothing ever found at Merope
- What's at at Col 70, INRA base? Are they dissecting Thargoids for tech over there??
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Alright guys, here's the answer to the Barnacle encounter. I have confirmed it several dozen times and helped out some open world players as well.
Steps:
1) Dismiss ship near Barnacle
2) Locate settlement zone boundary by looking at lower menu recall button.
3) move into settlement zone into Barnacle spires
To retry just move out and back into the settlement zone
There is a 30 second window and from my 16 confirmations an approximate 10% spawn rate for each entry into the settlement zone. I have yet to determine if being in the Barnacle boundary spires is a secondary trigger but, haven't confirmed in solo.
Works on both broken and fresh Barnacles, Open, Private, and Solo.
Please do not disturb the Thargoids
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Steps:
1) Dismiss ship near Barnacle
2) Locate settlement zone boundary by looking at lower menu recall button.
3) move into settlement zone into Barnacle spires
To retry just move out and back into the settlement zone
There is a 30 second window and from my 16 confirmations an approximate 10% spawn rate for each entry into the settlement zone. I have yet to determine if being in the Barnacle boundary spires is a secondary trigger but, haven't confirmed in solo.
Works on both broken and fresh Barnacles, Open, Private, and Solo.
Please do not disturb the Thargoids
-Public Static Void
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Here you go.
[video=youtube_share;jmVEYZnDZf8]https://youtu.be/jmVEYZnDZf8[/video]
Does anyone happen to have a nice hi res pic of the damaged capital ships? I wouldn't mind using that as my desktop background for a while.
What happened to everyone on those ships? Are they all dead? Why aren't their loads of escape pods floating around? If the feds already rescued them, wouldn't they have a vested interest in destroying the transmitter as well?
What happened to everyone on those ships? Are they all dead? Why aren't their loads of escape pods floating around? If the feds already rescued them, wouldn't they have a vested interest in destroying the transmitter as well?
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I think you are partly correct, but there are other interpretations of some of this. I do think Palin was sabotaged because he is working on stuff that some human organisation does not want the general population to be aware of yet.
UA use fed blink code (Morse) either to signal to detected human ships about the presence of something they should be aware of in Merope, or to report human ship presence in the area. UP are intended to detect Thargoid activity, they point to Merope 5C either because there is something there that we should know about or there is a signal repeater station there, but they report their detector information in a tight beam transmission to Col 70 sector FY-N C21-3 which is therefore the HQ of some organisation that is interested in any such detections; I will label that organisation "INRA". Col70 sector is all permit locked by the Pilots Federation who are therefore aware of, and support, whatever is going on there; they are therefore aware of, possibly active participants in, this "conspiracy" - the Dynasty conspiracy may be part of this; we know from Rebecca's Teorge logs that the Dynasty conspirators have been manipulating the money markets for many years to finance their endeavours so will have vast funding available. Wreaken /Sirius are shipping stuff to Col70 and possibly constructing some form of fleet there, so they are part of the conspiracy &/or hired by INRA. UA and UP and barneys all involve blue "fireflies", which is possibly a plasma-based lifeform which is alien to human technology, it may be surmised therefore that all these are based on ancient Guardian technology, who were expert in genetic manipulation and preferred to work with nature rather than against it so they would have gone for organic technologies.
I still think there are two alien factions -hostile aggressive Thargoids who are the threat that Dynasty tried to prepare for, and the Oresrians who are at war with the Thargs. I suspect that both Alien factions were created by the Guardians, the Thargs being the species they genetically engineered for war. Col70 may be Oresrian territory and INRA are allied to them and preparing for the forthcoming war as the Thargoids expand towards us; the previous conflict was just a skirmish with a relatively small advance Tharg scouting party who were mapping out the galaxy in preparation for their expansion.
Thanks Han_Zen, was actually after the DB bit. Found it here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PX49v8zYutI
I've been thinking about the corrosion effect. Could be:
- Deliberate attempt to corrode/damage any alien ships they happen to come into contact with; with our tech being collateral damage
- Unintentional left over effects from any alien tech that might have been repurposed, as you say, assuming the whole thing isn't a little wizard of oz
- Or, deliberate effect to discourage civilians from moving or otherwise interacting with the Probes/UAs after they're deployed.
Perhaps UAs and UPs *do indeed* have the ability to bring down flower ships, possibly via the corrosion affect, given that they're found at crash sites. Perhaps that's how we'll be defending/attacking when the proverbial hits the fan.
Re meta alloys - well I guess since they were looking for alien activity, it stands to reason they'd harvest MAs after they were found and take them back?
And perhaps the flower ships *deliberately* started manufacturing MA because it offers a defence against UA corrosion!
Re the EMP blast - I think it's possibly a feature of the act of transmitting the sonogram over a vast distance. Assuming the probe does it regularly anyway as part of normal operation (without any ships triggering it), then it's not directly significant. It's just that our scanner accidentally forces the probe to send a transmission.
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I haven't caught up enough on the COL 70 location, but it certainly does sound like a likely hive of scum and villainy
And yeah: in response to Bitstorm's point that nothing has been found in Merope, and your points here: perhaps Merope 5C just has a repeater station (most likely that we can't yet see any evidence of if so).
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