Blocking feature being abused or was it intended to be this way? FDEV?

Kayweg

Kayweg
Asp Explorer said:
I wouldn't put money on that ;)
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You safely can actually.
I had a thread bookmarked for a long time, but threw it out at some point because i felt it had become irrelevant.
In it there was a rather comprehensive dev post about this very topic, because people were in doubt if the block feature would merely block comms or instancing as well.
The gist of it was that, yes, it significantly decreased the likelihood of you being instanced with a blocked player, but that it was not a 100% guarantee that you wouldn't.
If i somehow manage to dig the thread up, i'll link it. It was all the way back in 2014.

EDIT: Found it.

Hello Commanders!

In this instance, blocking the Commander might prove quite useful.

When you block somebody, a couple of things should happen.

Firstly, you will receive no communications from them.

Secondly, during any transition where matchmaking is at work (so basically, hyperspace jumps, entering and exiting super cruise) you are much less likely to be matched with the blocked Commander.

Blocking becomes weaker when it comes up against friends (and next year, player wings), because if a blocked Commander is in the same session as a friend (say, because they haven't blocked the Commander, the blocking effect is overruled by the friendship matchmaking.

Outside of this case though, blocking should work fine.

Source:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=73923&p=1219313&viewfull=1#post1219313 post #9


Of course, i don't know what changes/tweaks (if any) have been made since then, but in principle this should still be the status quo ?
 
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Ildryn

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verminstar said:
My opinions? Sorry op, but Im one of those who keep a litter jotpad beside me to record names of players Id wanna block if I ever started playing again...which I started doing at the weekend. Ive been in solo fer nearly a whole year now and have started wanting a bit more company, but hope to negate the worst of the murder hobos by pre blocking the problem children. I only started this when I saw my name on a KOS list on reddit even though Ive never shot at anyone to deserve such a thing...one can imagine the reasons could be forum related but however...

Sorry op but Ive had experience with open and it wasnt fun fer me before...so the block list will be used extensively in the coming weeks and months ^
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Did the KOS list happen to be the combat loggers list?
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Ildryn said:
Did the KOS list happen to be the combat loggers list?
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Even if it did, that's hardly any proof that anyone CL'ed. People get put on KoS lists just as much, or more, for misidentified CL'ing, and just for being spoiled sports, than for actually logging. It should afford a player just as much a stigma to be a Ganker, than to be a CL'er. In my world.
 

Omicron Psi

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Riverside said:
Well it sort of does. If you are instanced with the blocking player you won't see the blocked player either, but only in that instance. Also it's not perfect so don't rely on it.
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That is what concerns me. I would like to make my own decisions about who (if anyone) to block rather than have someone else's block list determine who I might meet.
If it is the case that I could inherit the block list of other players simply by being instanced with them, then this restrict my freedom to meet other CMDR's.

This is not a good feature given that it can be difficult enough to meet CMDRs.
 
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Herbrand

Herbrand
My list has 3 people on it - should I participate to any such open events like the Thargoid base, I'm sure it would grow exponentially.

I accept duels to anyone who asks however, and I will remove people from the block list to this purpose.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Omicron Psi said:
That is what concerns me. I would like to make my own decisions about who (if anyone) to block rather than have someone else's block list determine who I might meet.
If it is the case that I could inherit the block list of other players simply by being instanced with them, then this restrict my freedom to meet other CMDR's.
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You are unlikely to realise it's happening if it does. If you block the blocker you will not be instanced with them again (probably) and you will meet the people they blocked. And possibly discover the reason for the original block ;)

Most don't use the block function ime, it's mostly just a thought experiment to wind up the min/maxers ;)
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
Omicron Psi said:
That is what concerns me. I would like to make my own decisions about who (if anyone) to block rather than have someone else's block list determine who I might meet.
If it is the case that I could inherit the block list of other players simply by being instanced with them, then this restrict my freedom to meet other CMDR's.

This is not a good feature given that it can be difficult enough to meet CMDRs.
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No it isn't. Honestly one person says does this happen? They are told no and then 2 others say omg this happens.

You CANNOT inherit someone else's block list!


Oh and as we're sharing, my block list in game is the same as on the forums, 0
 
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Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Omicron Psi said:
That is what concerns me. I would like to make my own decisions about who (if anyone) to block rather than have someone else's block list determine who I might meet.
If it is the case that I could inherit the block list of other players simply by being instanced with them, then this restrict my freedom to meet other CMDR's.
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But, without knowing you were blocked. Your game experience will not change. All of this happens under the hood.

What about your friends list? If I instance with you, randomly, I automatically will have a better chance of seeing your friends. With the instance cap for Commanders your friends list just reduced my chance to meet other Commanders. What are we to do? Take the good with the bad. Being able to remove irritants (even partially) from your game play, is way more important than another player's right to shoot at me.
 

Lateralus

Lateralus
Ozric said:
But emergent multiplayer experience, literally just means the multiplayer side of the game becoming more popular and widespread. That has absolutely nothing to do with certain playstyles, other than if you do things on your own. In fact I would say with the advent of multicrew that multiplayer is becoming more emergent because more people are playing together in the same ships.
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No...
 

Riverside

Riverside
Ozric said:
No it isn't. Honestly one person says does this happen? They are told no and then 2 others say omg this happens.

You CANNOT inherit someone else's block list!


Oh and as we're sharing, my block list in game is the same as on the forums, 0
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You are correct that the block & friend lists are not actually updated, but the effect in that instance is what we describe.
 

Omicron Psi

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Mohrgan said:
But, without knowing you were blocked. Your game experience will not change. All of this happens under the hood.

What about your friends list? If I instance with you, randomly, I automatically will have a better chance of seeing your friends. With the instance cap for Commanders your friends list just reduced my chance to meet other Commanders. What are we to do? Take the good with the bad. Being able to remove irritants (even partially) from your game play, is way more important than another player's right to shoot at me.
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That is a very good point. I did not consider the effect of friends lists on instancing when making my OP.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
sewerratuk said:
Is this an official response from FDev?
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Well I'm not part of FDEV, so my answer should not be taken as an official response, but just stop to think for 1 second and ask yourself how on earth could that even happen? If you're in the same instance as someone does your friends list suddenly become populated with theirs?

Lateralus said:
Emergent gameplay refers to complex situations in video games, board games, or table top role-playing games that emerge from the interaction of relatively simple game mechanics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_gameplay
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OK well first of all, you didn't say emergent gameplay :) Second, you're using Wikipedia as a definition which considering it can be edited by anyone is one step above using urban dictionary. And thirdly, that actually makes even less sense in regards to what you were talking about. Are you saying that you can't do that sort of thing in Elite? Have you head of the Buckyball Racing Club, Elite Racers, ESS, Hutton Truckers... The list goes on and on of groups of people who have taken the mechanics we've been given and turned them into do much more.
 

rrobes

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I have zero players on my block list, I have maybe one on the forum. Don't know about a KOS w/ my name on it.

FD gives you choices, players have the freedom to pick, blocking is one of many available.

FD controls these choices, make suggestions for change and submit them if you don't agree. State your case w/ supporting facts and logic, they may listen.

As to changing human nature/behavior, don't try, because it isn't going to happen, no matter how good your argument is or how hard you beat your chest.

We'll see what happens when C&P becomes integrated into the game, players may want to be killed to counter griefs and ganks, Open may become better populated then.
 
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