Hardware & Technical Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS official thread

[zwanhinder]

The game controllers control panel can be helpful for testing that everything is set up. Quickest way to get to it is Windows+R and enter "joy.cpl" without quotes. Then you can test that each axis is working correctly. NB the throttle has three axes for the optional pedals that will not be connected.

There's no force feedback but Thrustmaster's drivers do enable a system-wide deadzone for the analog mini-stock on the throttle, which is very handy. However everything should work just fine without Thrustmaster's drivers.

I second the advice to do without TARGET, it seems to cause nothing but trouble and because it combines both physical devices into one virtual device, it exceeds DirectInput's limit of 8 axes per device so some of the axes get unmapped. In fact it's entirely possible that TARGET has managed to unmap your throttle axis.

Hope this helps.

So I uninstalled all of the Thrustmaster stuff and rebooted the PC. I plugged both the stick and the throttle back in and checked in control panel to make sure all axis/buttons were working properly.
I then went into Elite Dangerous and still none of it would work in Controls. Also there is no option for the T.16000 showing up for me.
http://i.imgur.com/1QvgcdL.jpg
I also went back into Mechwarrior Online just to be sure it was all still working in other games and it worked perfectly there.

 

[Glock19]

weird ... I just got my set and game saw it right away. Using the Docking Tutorial to learn how to fly this setup.

wish I could be more help

 

[Faded Glory]

So I uninstalled all of the Thrustmaster stuff and rebooted the PC. I plugged both the stick and the throttle back in and checked in control panel to make sure all axis/buttons were working properly.
I then went into Elite Dangerous and still none of it would work in Controls. Also there is no option for the T.16000 showing up for me.
http://i.imgur.com/1QvgcdL.jpg
I also went back into Mechwarrior Online just to be sure it was all still working in other games and it worked perfectly there.

That is peculiar, that windows clearly sees the device, but ED is having problems.

You say that you've uninstalled the Thrustmaster stuff from the correct folder. Your control bindings are at the following path:

Users > Yourusername > AppData > Local > Frontier Developments > Elite Dangerous > Options > Bindings

Inside that folder should be a file called Custom.2.0.binds. Do you have this file? If you have renamed any files in this folder through windows explorer you could be confusing the game, as the filename is actually taken from within the file, so if you have, at least for the time being change it back.

Otherwise, if the .binds file is missing (or otherwise corrupted), I'd suggest you open a ticket with support as they could presumably send you a new / replacement.

Personally I always set up my control bindings from scratch, so I never used any Thrustmaster presets, and although I see that preset option when I go to Options > Controls I don't use it, but I suspect it is part of the Custom.binds file, as there is no physical file in the folder with that name.

 

[VerticalBlank]

Nah the presets live as *.binds files in \wherever\you\installed\Elite\EDLaunch\Products\elite-dangerous-64\ControlSchemes

(for example)

 

[zwanhinder]

That is peculiar, that windows clearly sees the device, but ED is having problems.

You say that you've uninstalled the Thrustmaster stuff from the correct folder. Your control bindings are at the following path:

Users > Yourusername > AppData > Local > Frontier Developments > Elite Dangerous > Options > Bindings

Inside that folder should be a file called Custom.2.0.binds. Do you have this file? If you have renamed any files in this folder through windows explorer you could be confusing the game, as the filename is actually taken from within the file, so if you have, at least for the time being change it back.

Otherwise, if the .binds file is missing (or otherwise corrupted), I'd suggest you open a ticket with support as they could presumably send you a new / replacement.

Personally I always set up my control bindings from scratch, so I never used any Thrustmaster presets, and although I see that preset option when I go to Options > Controls I don't use it, but I suspect it is part of the Custom.binds file, as there is no physical file in the folder with that name.

I have never seen a file for Custom.2.0.binds but I did use the Thrustmaster binds the first time I booted the game up which may have caused that.
Currently this is all that is showing in my Bindings folder after removing the TARGET 2.0.binds file that I got from the Thrustmaster website.
http://i.imgur.com/B4KPsIU.png
I'll try putting in a ticket with them and see about getting a copy of the file from them but in the mean time I will make a backup and try to download the game over from scratch and see if it pops up.
I was hoping to avoid that option but its looking more and more like the TARGET software messed something up.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

I have never seen a file for Custom.2.0.binds but I did use the Thrustmaster binds the first time I booted the game up which may have caused that.
Currently this is all that is showing in my Bindings folder after removing the TARGET 2.0.binds file that I got from the Thrustmaster website.
http://i.imgur.com/B4KPsIU.png
I'll try putting in a ticket with them and see about getting a copy of the file from them but in the mean time I will make a backup and try to download the game over from scratch and see if it pops up.
I was hoping to avoid that option but its looking more and more like the TARGET software messed something up.

There should be no need to contact to support just to get the default bind files. As VerticalBlank stated, they are installed as part of the game install (of course there is a small chance they are corrupt but doing a verify game files from the launcher may sort that). So you should just be able to select the T16000 profile from the control menu and start again. Once you do that I would recommend changing just one binding, then checking to make sure you now have a Custom.binds file.

 

[Sir Archie]

I have never seen a file for Custom.2.0.binds but I did use the Thrustmaster binds the first time I booted the game up which may have caused that.
Currently this is all that is showing in my Bindings folder after removing the TARGET 2.0.binds file that I got from the Thrustmaster website.
http://i.imgur.com/B4KPsIU.png
I'll try putting in a ticket with them and see about getting a copy of the file from them but in the mean time I will make a backup and try to download the game over from scratch and see if it pops up.
I was hoping to avoid that option but its looking more and more like the TARGET software messed something up.

There are a number of binds files available for download in various places se discussion - first page contains one.
Look at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller-First-Impressions


A number of binds files are suggested including https://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/jdvwkg?replay=jdvwkg (visual) and http://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/jdvwkg thanks to Gunner Bill on first page of ED 1st Impressions
and my own attached to the thread plus others like dkgjlh.binds.


If you are using HCS Voice packs they have a binds file and some good advice
HCSPacks T16000M 2.2.binds the link for which is here http://forum.hcsvoicepacks.com/foru...oice-attack-thrustmaster-t-16000m-not-working


You may want to adjust the joystick response curves once instalkled and without using the Thrustmaster TARGET software have a look at 'Joystick Curves' link and discussion here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/262361-Joystick-curves
There is a YouTube video about using the Joystick Curves utility and its set up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqzoJPCZM0w


Hope this helps


CMDR SirArchie

 

[Sir Archie]

My T16000 FCS HOTAS file attached - download and change extension to .binds and drop into your binds folder. It is for my own HCS and T16000 HOTAS combination

 

[zwanhinder]

There are a number of binds files available for download in various places se discussion - first page contains one.
Look at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller-First-Impressions


A number of binds files are suggested including https://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/jdvwkg?replay=jdvwkg (visual) and http://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/jdvwkg thanks to Gunner Bill on first page of ED 1st Impressions
and my own attached to the thread plus others like dkgjlh.binds.


If you are using HCS Voice packs they have a binds file and some good advice
HCSPacks T16000M 2.2.binds the link for which is here http://forum.hcsvoicepacks.com/foru...oice-attack-thrustmaster-t-16000m-not-working


You may want to adjust the joystick response curves once instalkled and without using the Thrustmaster TARGET software have a look at 'Joystick Curves' link and discussion here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/262361-Joystick-curves
There is a YouTube video about using the Joystick Curves utility and its set up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqzoJPCZM0w

Hope this helps


CMDR SirArchie

So I downloaded your file, made it into a .binds, and placed it in my Bindings folder. Once I loaded up the game I saw it in the controls list and applied it then went into a training mission to test it.
Same problem as before, it is showing that nothing is bound so I went back into controls to check and same nothing is showing as bound.
I then went to back to the Bindings folder and there is now a T16000 FCS HOTAS.2.0 with no devices listed in the bindings inside. I even tried copying all the bindings from the first file into the new one and load the game again but it just does the same thing and makes a T16000 FCS HOTAS.2.0.2.0 with no devices listed once again.
Also I just want to give a HUGE thanks to all of you for helping me with this. Seriously, thank you! =)

 

[Sir Archie]

So I downloaded your file, made it into a .binds, and placed it in my Bindings folder. Once I loaded up the game I saw it in the controls list and applied it then went into a training mission to test it.
Same problem as before, it is showing that nothing is bound so I went back into controls to check and same nothing is showing as bound.
I then went to back to the Bindings folder and there is now a T16000 FCS HOTAS.2.0 with no devices listed in the bindings inside. I even tried copying all the bindings from the first file into the new one and load the game again but it just does the same thing and makes a T16000 FCS HOTAS.2.0.2.0 with no devices listed once again.
Also I just want to give a HUGE thanks to all of you for helping me with this. Seriously, thank you! =)

I'm concerned and gone back to my ED and selected the HCS T16000 binds file and tried the Basic Training mission.
The Joystick worked but the Throttle didn't.
I therefore went to Start/All Programs/Thrustmaster/TFlightHotas folder and selected the Control Panel utility installed there. I selected and ran the T.1600M which appeard and selected properties - all axes and buttons worked fine.
I then selected the TWCS Throttle which appeared and selected properties with no response at all from the device. After 2 mins of frantic scrabbling behind the PC and withdrawing and re inserting the usb connectors I got response from the Control Panel Utility. I also checked that the latest Firmware update was installed using the Utility in the same folder.

I then went into ED checked that the binds file was selected and applied then went again to the basic training mission - this time everything worked.
Just to be sure I attach the joystick bind file I've just used successfully (HCSPacks 16000 FCS Hotas).
(If you are using the slider on the T16000 Joystick I think it should appear as JOY U)

So moral of the story - does the T16000 and TWCS work OK with the Thrustmaster Control Utility. I've also added a couple of Jpg's (ED Options) showing my selection and basic flight settings. Pls change file extensions from txt to jpg once downloaded

Good luck
Hope it helps

CMDR SirArchie

 

[zwanhinder]

I'm concerned and gone back to my ED and selected the HCS T16000 binds file and tried the Basic Training mission.
The Joystick worked but the Throttle didn't.
I therefore went to Start/All Programs/Thrustmaster/TFlightHotas folder and selected the Control Panel utility installed there. I selected and ran the T.1600M which appeard and selected properties - all axes and buttons worked fine.
I then selected the TWCS Throttle which appeared and selected properties with no response at all from the device. After 2 mins of frantic scrabbling behind the PC and withdrawing and re inserting the usb connectors I got response from the Control Panel Utility. I also checked that the latest Firmware update was installed using the Utility in the same folder.

I then went into ED checked that the binds file was selected and applied then went again to the basic training mission - this time everything worked.
Just to be sure I attach the joystick bind file I've just used successfully (HCSPacks 16000 FCS Hotas).
(If you are using the slider on the T16000 Joystick I think it should appear as JOY U)

So moral of the story - does the T16000 and TWCS work OK with the Thrustmaster Control Utility. I've also added a couple of Jpg's (ED Options) showing my selection and basic flight settings. Pls change file extensions from txt to jpg once downloaded

Good luck
Hope it helps

CMDR SirArchie

That is different from my problem in that during the game all three parts (stick, throttle, and pedals) are all working in control panel just fine but the game will not detect them being used at all when I try to bind them in game.
My current issue atm is that no matter what .binds file I place in there when I select it and click Apply it renames the .binds file in the folder from "filename".binds to "filename.2.0".binds and it removes all devices from the .binds file in the process.

I placed your last .binds file in the Bindings folder loaded in only to get the same as above.
http://i.imgur.com/6ZaGWXU.jpg
As you can see from the moment I pull it up it is already blank in game. The file in the Bindings folder at this point is not overwritten yet but as soon as I click Apply it overwrites the file to the attached version.

 

[Glock19]

That is different from my problem in that during the game all three parts (stick, throttle, and pedals) are all working in control panel just fine but the game will not detect them being used at all when I try to bind them in game.
My current issue atm is that no matter what .binds file I place in there when I select it and click Apply it renames the .binds file in the folder from "filename".binds to "filename.2.0".binds and it removes all devices from the .binds file in the process.

I placed your last .binds file in the Bindings folder loaded in only to get the same as above.
http://i.imgur.com/6ZaGWXU.jpg
As you can see from the moment I pull it up it is already blank in game. The file in the Bindings folder at this point is not overwritten yet but as soon as I click Apply it overwrites the file to the attached version.

In your image, I see two "HCSPacks 16000 FCS HOTAS". Bottom must be games default and top one is SirArchie's .... maybe game is confused having two called the same.

Re-insert SirArchie's into your folder but before you start game, edit the file and change the name of it on line 2. Call is something different then go into game and see what happens.

Game uses the name in line two, not the actual file name itself.

When I test, I create more than one file
HOTAS1.binds & name in line two I make it match the file name "HOTAS1"
HOTAS2.binds ... etc
This way, I make slight changes in game to each one and see which one I like best. Once satisfied, I keep only one.
I also created a subfolder in binds folder named BACKUPS. Every time I change something, when I get out of game, I will copy that file into Backup folder. This way if anything gets corrupted, I have backups.

I hope somehow this gets resolved, you must be so frustrated !!

 

[Rojo Habe]

I still cant get Joystickcurves to work

I know this is a while ago now, but I suddenly remembered something. Do you have an Xbox One controller connected? This breaks Joystick Curves on my system. I have to unplug it and then restart JCurves to get it working again.

 

[BL1P]

I know this is a while ago now, but I suddenly remembered something. Do you have an Xbox One controller connected? This breaks Joystick Curves on my system. I have to unplug it and then restart JCurves to get it working again.

Hi, Thanks for the reply.
Sadly I dont have an Xbox one controller.

I have :-
Mouse,
Keyboard,
T16000m FCS,
ED Tracker,
GameCon 780 Headset.

Just been playing SC instead lately as that has curves built into the games settings. Much less hassle when the game caters for flight settings.

 

[Wrongway]

Well, just opened up the throttle after some Nyogel 767A grease turned up from eBay today. Cleaned off the old stuff and opened the new grease. Wow it's weird stuff. It's very thick and feels more like glue than grease. But it work's very well and is very smooth. I did have to tweak the friction adjustment a bit.

 

[podgywhy]

I had a similar issue found that going to where game is installed e.g c:/program files/frontier/edlaunch/products/elitedangerous/controlschemes and putting copy of binds file in there solved the problem
hope this helps,
podgywhy

 

[Henkka77]

Well, just opened up the throttle after some Nyogel 767A grease turned up from eBay today. Cleaned off the old stuff and opened the new grease. Wow it's weird stuff. It's very thick and feels more like glue than grease. But it work's very well and is very smooth. I did have to tweak the friction adjustment a bit.

You dont have to open the throttle. You can reach the slides just by sticking your finger from the hole where the throttle comes out. Just put some lube in your finger and stick it in... err.. in the throttle i mean.

 

[Wrongway]

You dont have to open the throttle. You can reach the slides just by sticking your finger from the hole where the throttle comes out. Just put some lube in your finger and stick it in... err.. in the throttle i mean.

The new grease is extremely thick and really should be applied after removing the old grease as it's this old stuff that causes some of the sticking. The only way to clean it throughly is to remove the bottom cover which is simple enough. Besides, I am always a bit wary about blindly sticking my finger in holes.

 

[Antelope]

Setup peoblems

Hi. I hope someone can help me.

I'm relatively new to gaming and have just bought Elite Dangerous at the behest of my son. I found it hard to control my craft precisely with a standard controller, so I have invested in the T.16000m HOTAS (stick and throttle).

ED is installed via Steam. In Users/me/appdata/local/Frontier developments/Elite Dangerous/Options/bindings, there are four files: Custom.binds, LoadErrors.log, STartPreset.start and TARGET_FCS_HOTAS,1.8.binds.

I have downloaded and installed (by double clicking the exe files) the drivers for both throttle and stick from the TM website. Namely 2916_FFD_4.exe for the stick, and 2016_TFHT_1.exe for the throttle. (quite why these call themselves FFB and T-Flight HOTAS when they install is a mystery)

When I boot up ED, there is no mention of the T.16000 in options. There's 'generic joystick' and 'custom'. I select 'Generic Joystick'.

I kick off the tutorials.. the stick is dead. Does nothing (except light up). The throttle works but all the buttons do crazy things, at least crazy when compared to the mapping example provided by TM.. such as the Super cruise button firing the guns. I cannot steer as the stick is u/s.

If I select 'custom' instead of generic joystick, I'm able to allocate bindings.. and I can get the stick to work. But I don't know what I'm doing and am getting into a right mess.

Both the throttle and the stick work in the TM control panels.

What am I doing wrong, and can anyone help me please? Thanks.
David

 

[Jaiotu]

What am I doing wrong, and can anyone help me please? Thanks.
David

Not quite sure why you're having a rough time with it. For me Elite: Dangerous saw my T.16000m FCS the first time I plugged it in.

I'm running Windows 10 and did not install drivers from Thrustmaster's website. I simply let Windows recognize the devices on its own. I'm also not running the game under Steam (though I don't think that would make a major difference).