I have a hunch that by now FDev understand that updates to exploring are highly sought after.
I just don't get it - baffled and on the verge of uninstall - Yes I said it!
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So essentially this is a "why don't you love me, Jenny?" complaint.
Why is some stuff busted still? It's because they can't fix everything at once. And have a bunch of people shouting at them saying "fix it or I will uninstall!!!" so they tend to fight the biggest fires, first. Some of which, are as a consequence of doing what they were told to do. Then not-doing it again because a different fire is started by different people.
As a software product manager, you already know it's not possible to fix everything all at once for all users. But I guess the customer is always right. So I'm sure you'll 'dog food' the fix all the things too, like you say they should.
edit: frontier are well aware exploration needs love; the issue isn't how, I suspect, at this point it's distilling that gargantuan feedback down into something actually deliverable.
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Sorry, and I don't mean to be rude, but you don't understand what we mean by exploration. Colonia is the only item in your list that comes close.
Flame retardant suit now on...
Your interpretation of exploring is different to mine.
And what is your definition of pew pew? Spending time in a RNG casino? Which can also be used for FSDs?
FDEV did nothing for pew pew apart from balancing and tweaking some numbers, apart from the failed CQC update they didn't add anything.
Posters claiming a Poll is not accurate representation, then stating only 10% use the forum... dear lord! - Hate to break the bad news, but when you take medicine, do you realise it's not been tested on everyone! - Worse still, probably not tested on you! Scary eh? Well unless you go with the sample of people they did test on... some 0.01% of humans at best
So lets remove the poll feature? #DontUnderstand
Lunacy I tell ye!
- Worse still, probably not tested on you! Scary eh? Well unless you go with the sample of people they did test on... some 0.01% of humans at best So lets remove the poll feature? #DontUnderstand
Lunacy I tell ye!
Which is why you will continue whining, no matter what FD delivers.
How is any of what I have listed not exploration?
Pooh Pew for me is shooting at ships till they pop - everything else added was to make things pop faster or pop slower - That's how I see it.
Put the onion head down - I even explained in bold
Agreed,start a pew pew complaint thread, I'll support you.
@ Limoncello Lizard, the list you made becomes totally useless once you have gone 1000 LYs from SOL. Colonia being the exception(unless you are in the rest of the galaxy,I've never been there), even the new Neutron star games mechanic is not used by explorers(requiring plotting a new route after,and repairs).
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Well you have no idea what you are talking about. You can't even name a single feature that I couldn't take apart like you did with Limoncello's post.
I didn't even make a list. You are talking to the wrong person. It's also besides the point, Limoncello disagreed with a comment that said "all FDEV added was pew pew stuff". That's just plain wrong.
They added some colours and moved some sliders, sometimes we get to see them move.
My bad,will edit now.
Here we disagree. He didn't take anything apart, just said it isn't exploration. Just because he says it isn't doesn't make it so.
I never claimed to be an expert, it there a list somewhere of what pooh pew is? I've only seen videos of people shooting ships - I've done that too! Had no idea there was more to it, maybe i'll take another look - what can you do that does not involve shooting stuff?
It's not like he doesn't have a point. But...
'Fumaroles and geysers - With no way of finding them
Megaships - Really? How is this exploring?'
Finding lost Megaships is definetely exploring, and there are even ways to find them ingame!
However saying that the Thargoid storyline is a feature for explorers is very much like saying the SLF is for canyon racing and not for combat. It's true, but a very subjective opinion.
The claim was:
"FDEV added more for pew pew than anything else".
Limoncello's claim was:
"That's wrong they didn't add much for pew pew, they added more for exploration."
Your claim is:
"These features are not exploration (or not good enough)"
I am not saying you are wrong, but neither is Limoncello. The whole pew pew bashing needs to stop if people want me to take the lack of love for explorers serious.
Reading this first part I found myself saying 'huh, what, naaah, what now?' a lot.
Then I read the edit addon and was like 'oooh, yeah, sure - I kinda get where you're coming from'.
You had me disagreeing with you until the edit.
As I'm not really an explorer, I will see myself out ..
Then I read the edit addon and was like 'oooh, yeah, sure - I kinda get where you're coming from'.
You had me disagreeing with you until the edit.
As I'm not really an explorer, I will see myself out ..
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See I can draw a comparison here albeit a hypothetical one.
What if FD produced a load of new ships to destroy, new super special other stuff to pew pew....BUT didn't produce any way to destroy them? That would be rubbish.
Well exploration is a bit like this. Yes we can see the content and stuff but no way to find it other than mark one eyeball and well.....being told it's there through some convuluted puzzle or other (not exploration either).
I guess in my example you could RAM the new stuff to death and be told to be happy with it. But I do7bt you would be
I've said this before and I'll say it again, Frontier need to move to a model where they are doing more regular, smaller delivery of features with point released every 6 weeks.
From what I've heard of 2.4 I think they are moving closer to that. Large scale drops don't allow for smaller bugs and QoL features to make it to release potentially for months, in the meantime players get more frustrated.
I don't expect larger features to drop in these, they most likely will still need to go out in major releases - but if bugs are fixed in point releases then that is less of an issue.
See I can draw a comparison here albeit a hypothetical one.
What if FD produced a load of new ships to destroy, new super special other stuff to pew pew....BUT didn't produce any way to destroy them? That would be rubbish.
Well exploration is a bit like this. Yes we can see the content and stuff but no way to find it other than mark one eyeball and well.....being told it's there through some convuluted puzzle or other (not exploration either).
I guess in my example you could RAM the new stuff to death and be told to be happy with it. But I do7bt you would be
- Conflict zones suck and are completely unrealistic
- The Engineers suck
- There are no NPC wingmen
- There are no real bounty hunter mechanics
- They didn't add anything meaningful to combat for the last 2 years
- etc.
This argument really goes both ways. And starting a fight between pew pew players and explorers is really stupid when we should just stay together and ask FDEV to improve the game for everyone.