Would you pay to unlock Cutter/Corvette?

[Lucius-Darcia]

No pay to win! Never ever!
If this will be a thing, i drop that game and leave. This has led to too many bad things in games.

Nothing more to say

 

[Mephane]

I'm just curious. Would you pay money to unlock these ships? You'd still have to pay for them in-game and you wouldn't have the rank associated... just unlock the ships. If so, how much would you pay?

Lol no. That is just nuts. Paying real money in exchange for the actual ship sounds more realistic* (though Star Citizen has showed us the deep end of where this particular pandora's box can lead you), but paying real money just to be allowed to pay ingame money for the ship?

*Not saying I would like it if it ever happened.

 

[GG7]

So by that reasoning, do you think that you should be able buy elite explorer without doing any exploration?

Maybe this just isn't the game for you. You seem to want instant gratification, this isn't that game. Also, I have a hard time believing that you've put 3,500 hours into this game but can't stomach the rank grind or travelling 5k LY.

I seriously doubt the guy was attempting to equate the big three to navy rank grinding.

The BIG Three ranks in the game I do not consider to be the same thing as the military/navy ranks. Those are specific to the three primary activities in the game (COMBAT, TRADE, EXPLORATION). Unlike the navy ranks that are purely arbitrary in their contribution to player skills, the Big Three do focus a player on those specific aspects of gameplay.

Being able to BUY your way to ELITE Status would defeat the purpose of those ranks, while at the same time providing the player with ZERO additional in-game experience/skill as related to those three specific areas.

P.S. And while we are on the subject of ED's long list of grinds...

I'm not a fan of the Prof. Palin unlock grind either. While the various requirements make sense as they apply to this Engineer's in-game focus, once again they strike me as over the top in terms of the raw numbers being required. Especially now that Palin is figuring significantly in the Thargoid story arc.

So if you want to fully participate in the whole Thargoid base stuff, you really need to have access to those special Meta Alloy Cargo Racks. This puts up a HUGE barrier for a lot of time constrained players, and those new to the game such as the new PS4 community. These folks can't just head out and enjoy all this new Alien focused content. They first have to grind through the Palin unlock requirements before they can even get started.

That for many players is unacceptable, and they will simply PASS on the new content that they paid real money to experience.

 

[HBK]

It's kinda cute that you're trying to dig so hard into semantics over something so simple.

It's kinda cute to see you trying to be condescending

Here's what google tells me when I ask "pay to win definition":

In some multiplayer free-to-play games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free. Critics of such games call them "pay-to-win".

For the grind rank skip to be considered p2w, it'd have to earn you a significant advantage over someone who didn't pay (pro tip: it doesn't, it's more like "pay to not play", "pay to skip").

On the other hand players who paid the Horizon DLC are able to gain a significant advantage (unless you feel 50% increase in performance is not significant) over those who didn't pay. Keyword: "able". It might not be an "instant win button" (it rarely is anyway) but you can with little effort get better ship because "you paid".

Of course ED isn't free to play but rather buy to play but you're the one willing to use the pay2win expression.

Twist the definition all you want to fin in your weird interpretation of the term, but that's how it's used (and how it makes sense).

Edit: "Expansions" are rarely called "pay to win" as it is widely accepted that everyone will buy them(*), therefore negating the argument over the "advantage" gained. But technically, most of them are.

(*) It's also an accepted practice whereas "pay 2 win" is usually thrown around as criticism.

 

[Mohrgan]

They don;t need money, not like that anyway. They just got a bunch of cash from the Chinese, and they have a building going in that they took no debt on. Things look pretty rosy for FD and I'm good with that. I have certainly made my contributions. I am a great fan of E|D and Frontier. If you wish, call me a White Knight. I can take it.

 

[Droid8Apple]

And yet:



Also:



And yet you want to pay real money to get access to the Cutter/Corvette.

There seems to be a lot of inconsistency in what you're saying, which is often a sign of bad faith. It almost seems as if you're saying "I want Pay2Win" while claiming that you are not saying that. In fact, that's exactly what you're doing.

Cool! Look, I wasn't hiding anything. I clearly said I would pay to unlock them and wanted to know who else would and how much they would pay. I never once asked "am I consistent enough" or "what's your opinion on why it shouldn't happen".

Here what I know: I've used and fully modified every ship in the game during month long betas using fish. During that time I found I liked ___ about the cutter and ___ about the vette. But ultimately would keep the anaconda TOO, while specializing the others for specific roles. It's all right in the post but you didn't quote that. Only the bits that support your arguments of my sanity?

So here's my question to you. If I personally felt they were indeed the best over the Anaconda then why didn't I get them as soon as the very first beta that included them ended? I haven't because I do not find them worth the grind but would still like to have them if I wanted to. Therefor, would pay for them to skip the mind numbing and pathetic game play involved in unlocking them. How is this still inconsistent for you?

 

[Para Handy]

......... Would you pay money to unlock these ships? ................

Avaunt foul spawn of the deep! Never in life!


[arrrr]

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

no. they SHOULD require rank as they do now. buy your anaconda if you dont like working for the space cold war powers.

 

[Marklar_]

your arguments of my sanity?

I wasn't questioning your sanity, I was questioning your honesty about what you're doing in this thread. You keep saying that you aren't saying things that you clearly are saying. It's not a poll, but you like the results. There's no reason to get the Cutter/Corvette over the Annie, but you want to pay real money for them. You aren't asking for Pay2Win, but you are.

If I personally felt they were indeed the best over the Anaconda then why didn't I get them as soon as the very first beta that included them ended?

And then you answered your own question with:

I haven't because I do not find them worth the grind but would still like to have them if I wanted to.

You clearly do want to have them, but you say "if" as if this has nothing to do with what you want. You want to bypass the grind that everyone else has gone through to get those ships, because you don't want to have to do the long boring grind. No one wants to do the grind, that's the real price of those ships, not the credits. The grind needs fixing to be more interesting, but if you just don't want to have to work to get those ships then just stick with your Anaconda.

Introducing a change that would cause a large number of players to quit is not a solution for your frustration with the rank grind. Just do it like everyone else, or don't. But please don't pretend like you're just shooting the breeze here and that it has nothing to do with your desire to buy your way out of a grind.

 

[Droid8Apple]

Are you counting your own posts?



So by that reasoning, do you think that you should be able buy elite explorer without doing any exploration?

Maybe this just isn't the game for you. You seem to want instant gratification, this isn't that game. Also, I have a hard time believing that you've put 3,500 hours into this game but can't stomach the rank grind or travelling 5k LY.

Ok boss, I can see you're just interested in harassing those who don't agree with you. So I posted my entire "statistics" screen in game on one monitor and your hatred on my other screen. Dive into exaclty what I've spent my 2,956 hours on (not including betas I don't think). Notice how any exploration I've done is only from honking aside form the very few times I wasted an hour of my life flying around doing detailed scans. But to be fair I have to detail scan to find minerals when I'm not "cheating" by googling to see where others have found said resources. Also, notice the amount of money I have and how much of it comes from combat activities... I don't "exploit" anything for money or I'd be a billionaire but instead I have enough for maybe 5 rebuys. Sure sounds like someone who just wants to be the best and pay to get it, right?

http://i.imgur.com/h0vk3y4.png

 

[Marklar_]

Ok boss, I can see you're just interested in harassing those who don't agree with you.

I'm not harassing you, I'm disagreeing with what you're saying and how you're saying it.

 

[ocflyer]

No, but not because it's not worth it. It would rob my gameplay from me. It's like asking if you'd pay to be 21 if you're 15. You lose 6 years of your life. You lose your carrot on a stick if you can pay to win. In fact, after you get your barge, you'll probably sulk around in it a while then park it and get back into something easier to maneuver and more fun to operate. If you're thinking 600T cargo hauls, I've not found anything worth the trouble of that loadout yet that my T9 or Anaconda cannot do just as well, and time is money so I can get in and out faster = mo money mo money mo money.

I don't see a cutter as a trade ship to haul cargo.

The biggest advantage that a cutter offers is to serve as a mobile commodities market. Load up on commodities in demand and then instantly complete missions for a faction that you want to support.

 

[Droid8Apple]

I wasn't questioning your sanity, I was questioning your honesty about what you're doing in this thread. You keep saying that you aren't saying things that you clearly are saying. It's not a poll, but you like the results. There's no reason to get the Cutter/Corvette over the Annie, but you want to pay real money for them. You aren't asking for Pay2Win, but you are.



And then you answered your own question with:



You clearly do want to have them, but you say "if" as if this has nothing to do with what you want. You want to bypass the grind that everyone else has gone through to get those ships, because you don't want to have to do the long boring grind. No one wants to do the grind, that's the real price of those ships, not the credits. The grind needs fixing to be more interesting, but if you just don't want to have to work to get those ships then just stick with your Anaconda.

Introducing a change that would cause a large number of players to quit is not a solution for your frustration with the rank grind. Just do it like everyone else, or don't. But please don't pretend like you're just shooting the breeze here and that it has nothing to do with your desire to buy your way out of a grind.

I don't want the ships enough to grind for them, but want them enough that I'd pay for them. This was not a petition nor a poll. It was a question to other players, not staff, to pacify a curiosity that sprung inside me directly after commenting on a post last night. You are very good at looking at that kind of thing, so please go read whatever I responded to directly before starting this thread last night to sate a curiosity. Regardless, you got what you wanted which was to have an argument.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I don't see a cutter as a trade ship to haul cargo.

For me it's the best (large) ship to haul cargo with.

 

[Necronaught]

Here we go again, conflating huge amounts of time spent repeating simple tasks anyone can perform with overcoming Challenge.

Nice insult to Special forces personnel, though. I'm sure they don't mind hell week, buds, the crucible and ringing the bell being acquainted with watching Netflix while waiting for a video game egg timer to tick down.

Earn it.

Give me a break.

I earned 350lb deadlifts. Three basic chords on guitar. My first 7 minute mile. Commendations at work.

But ships in Elite? I didn't earn those. I just WAITED on them.

Sure, paying to unlock is crap and should NEVER happen. But this level of grind is just as much garbage as that idea.

It's about putting the time in, that was my point. In special forces you have to have self discipline and never give up. So I used the analogy regarding Elite. No insult intended. I would never insult the lads protecting our country doing things we never hear of. Always a Walter Mitty that gets offended on behalf of...

 

[Droid8Apple]

I'm not harassing you, I'm disagreeing with what you're saying and how you're saying it.

wait, can you look at my imgur i shared.... it says "max distance from start 68,951"... is that the one that needs to be at least 5,000? I'd be really happy if i don't have to do that. Not there yet, im working on sirius and marco

 

[Judz]

I say have them unlocked. You pay full price, no discount at any system and pay full price on rebuys, 0% insurance, if you CBA to earn the rank then the game shouldn't let you have the rebuys for pennies...which is what it is.

It takes a few days to earn the required Ranks (with a decent amount of profit to boot).

Do all the people more or less demanding to have it moan that they don't have a certain weapon, a certain skin for said weapon or anything else related when they don't have the required rank in another game? Thought not.

I want I want I want. The Violet Bauregarde's of Elite Dangerous.

 

[Necronaught]

I have more fun in an engineered Python anyway than any of the big 3.

 

[Robert Maynard]

wait, can you look at my imgur i shared.... it says "max distance from start 68,951"... is that the one that needs to be at least 5,000? I'd be really happy if i don't have to do that. Not there yet, im working on sirius and marco

You've already completed the 5,000 LY from start requirement for Palin then.

 

[Marklar_]

wait, can you look at my imgur i shared.... it says "max distance from start 68,951"... is that the one that needs to be at least 5,000?

Good grief, you clearly said:

I've never once tried to increase my exploration rank and am sick to my stomach thinking about going 5k from home system for Palin.

Using your own words against you is not harassment, and you are way too thin-skinned to be making threads about Pay2Win. In any case, I'm done with "arguing" with you since you clearly like your arguments one-way and can't handle being challenged.