Do you want the Thargoids to hit hard and be actually a threat to the Bubble?

The buble will never burn, despite my hopes that something..... anything to shake this game up a bit. There are too many carebears pushing numbers around for their favorite cookie cutter minor faction. FD knows this and knows the level of rage that would follow a "galaxy on fire" event.

My money is on Thargoids being rotated into the "agressive" criminal faction that interdict you looking for "tasty cargo.
 
I want hard hitting thargoids that regularly run incursions into the bubble, a single thargoid should require special weapons and team work to take down, you should not be able to solo a thargoid.

So all the players who play in solo will always die or they'll always have to flee? That'll be fun for them.

Back in '84 you were always solo and had no engineering for your ship, you could defeat a Thargoid with a nice Viper though and sell her babies as Alien Artifacts, MUWHAHAHA!). Might have taken a while to get the hang of it but you could do it. Solo shouldn't be any different this time around.

Anyway my A rated non-engineered Sidey stands ready to dish out the pain on any Thargoid crazy enough to cross my path. My 'Harmless' rating will lull them into a false sense of security then, blaammo!, twin death dealing pulse lasers will kick their hairy green butts all the way back to wherever it is they come from. Either that or I'll have to pipe Slim Whitman out of the Sidey's thrust vents.
 
The whole "I'm in a panic about death by RNG" is a strawman and shame on anyone who engauges in any debate about the merits of something that has not even happened or been hinted yet, outside of the silliness of getting two threads going over literally nothing.

If it happens, then of course discuss, but if we're to just start threads about random scary concepts that we dream up before they are reality, then that is just a really inefficient strategy for managing emotional resources and time.

And its dumb.
 
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Yeah, let it burn. Game of Thrones style.

Well, burn some of it. Have ghost stations, wrecked by.....something. Instead of a friendly greeting, have a looped recording from traffic control:

This is an automated message! Leave! Now! While you still can, before.....they're here! OHMYGOD THEY'RE HE-

BEEEEEEPPP

This is an automated message! Leave! Now! While you still can, before.....they're here! OHMYGOD THEY'RE HE-

********

BUT - I agree that a potential career path for new players must remain open among all the carnage.
 
Yeah, let it burn. Game of Thrones style.

Well, burn some of it. Have ghost stations, wrecked by.....something. Instead of a friendly greeting, have a looped recording from traffic control:

This is an automated message! Leave! Now! While you still can, before.....they're here! OHMYGOD THEY'RE HE-

BEEEEEEPPP

This is an automated message! Leave! Now! While you still can, before.....they're here! OHMYGOD THEY'RE HE-

********

BUT - I agree that a potential career path for new players must remain open among all the carnage.

+1

Love it!
 
During the course of this thread a thought did occur to me, FDev could put in Forward Deployment Bases where players could park their personal vessels, get in standardized military craft pre-fitted with anti-thargoid tech and deploy to thargoid combat zones without risk of rebuy or having to own multiple ships to participate.

It has nothing to do with the galactic vs localized/optional gameplay arguement, but it could make the content more able to be participated in by the space trucker/newbie audience since you wouldn't be required to do a lot of engineering and set up to get shootin.

You are essentially suggesting CQC. It didn't work out the first time, let's let that die. CQC probably just needs to die, and Frontier rethink how, or if, a competitive PVP branch could work. Incorporating it into the game is a good start, but this just obviates the entirety of the community from participating in some function.

And it's an extension, imho, of "I don't want to be at risk from <insert threat here>." that we've seen a lot of, lately. Commanders are over-confident and comfortable and the many legged race threatens that. But it's never wise to assume there will never be some sort of risk within Elite; it just isn't that kind of universe. The developer (including David Braben) appear to believe that strife, in some form, is important. Which, really, it is. We're only really at our best (and sometimes worst) when the proverbial hits the fan.
 
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The funniest thing for me, though, is the implicit assumption we should have direct say over how it goes down. Yes, I realise this is a game, but why should we get a fully authoritative say? Sure; drive some of the direction, within boundaries? But the notion we have some sort of inalienable right to dictate how it all goes down? lol. no.

I'm all for engaging mechanics and player agency where we can help form long term trends, that change the game to some degree; but there's a point where too much control leads to a point where frontier is listening to a select few. That never, ever, ends well.

Frontier have been hinting 'the big bad' since the game's inception; it's there in actual game history. They are returning. It's not us returning, it's them. They. Who appear to be, at least to begin with, at quite the advantage. And they're ambivalent of us at best. I take no joy nor would I want the entire bubble overrun, this isn't going to work as a game mechanic.

But decent chunks of the bubble? Thargoids shifting presence about as they continue to look for whatever it is they are looking for? Absolutely. We all, all bought this game knowing that some threat will/ does exist. You can essentially mitigate most all of it, including other players, but it's fundamentally broken thinking to assume we should be able to mitigate/ obviate everything.

If you believe there is a story being told, then we have our part to play. And we just don't know what that is yet, or to what extent. But if a war is coming? If the other race just doesn't want to sit around the campfire and sing songs and be super friendly nice guys? That should have far reaching impact. We should all know we're not alone. It's going to be a very very difficult balance to hit; but for this game to have life left, things have to change. A static, stale universe, is an atrophied and dying one.

tl;dr - portions of the bubble imho should end up being rumbled by the big bad, and others not, so that the non-combatants and their support, can move resources, defend or explore, with reasonable expectation of continuation of freedom, and yet have the reminder, they are not always alone.
 
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tl;dr - portions of the bubble imho should end up being rumbled by the big bad, and others not, so that the non-combatants and their support, can move resources, defend or explore, with reasonable expectation of continuation of freedom, and yet have the reminder, they are not always alone.

That's my line, too. I just want to see big swaths of it burned to the ground. Be cool if we had a bunch of mini-bubbles, with some real dangerous places in between them.
 
Lore says that there were some "50 war zones" between humanity & the Thargoids. That is a front, not the whole Bubble. In fact, by our time (3300), prior to recent developments, Thargoids were "mythical." They wouldn't be the case if they had burned the whole Bubble.

"Superpowered monsters who can be everywhere and anywhere" would be as boring as "safe" Thargoids. I'm pulling for a war zone, a front, as flexible as Powerplay borders. Gives time for the tremulous to flee, the smug to feel safe, and the combat pilots who take it to their face.
 
Lore says that there were some "50 war zones" between humanity & the Thargoids. That is a front, not the whole Bubble. In fact, by our time (3300), prior to recent developments, Thargoids were "mythical." They wouldn't be the case if they had burned the whole Bubble.

"Superpowered monsters who can be everywhere and anywhere" would be as boring as "safe" Thargoids. I'm pulling for a war zone, a front, as flexible as Powerplay borders. Gives time for the tremulous to flee, the smug to feel safe, and the combat pilots who take it to their face.

Lore also says that was a minor skirmish to the Aliens perspective, and that the current upcoming threat is expected by some of the major powers to be serious enough that they have been planning an evacuation for generations. Such a buildup would be completely unwarranted if the return was a repeat of the last incidents.
 
I want it all to burn. A desperate struggle to keep a hold on the Bubble, with failure meaning a mass exodus. Anyone remaining would have to run the gauntlet of being attacked by Thargoids and with functional stations being few and far between.

This is the type of real tangible impact i would like (though i doubt Frontier would take it, as its pretty hardcore).

Don't forget to add in when you get killed by a roid your save is cleared/deleted so you need to start from scratch!
 
If the other race just doesn't want to sit around the campfire and sing songs

I would like this to happen, as long as there are marshmallows and chocolate for s'mores. Maybe we could make leather wallets or an ashtray or something.
 
The 'Goids shouldn't be able to destroy the bubble too quickly. A couple of systems toasted every couple of hours would be about right. 10 year plan and all ;)
 
"Superpowered monsters who can be everywhere and anywhere" would be as boring as "safe" Thargoids.

If people assume this is going to be the case, they are mistaken. Frontier would not be using an otherwise uninteresting location in space, otherwise. There would be no point.

I'm pulling for a war zone, a front, as flexible as Powerplay borders. Gives time for the tremulous to flee, the smug to feel safe, and the combat pilots who take it to their face.

I'm pulling for a moving target. That expands and contracts as the story unfolds. My concern, is that by locking away the areas they have, Frontier have essentially indicated all actions are for all intents and purposes outside of the bubble. If the entirety of humanity is perfectly safe, the 'invasion' is more 'a land war in asia' then who is even going to want to be involved?

Frontier won't upset the applecart. Not again. And I tend to think, as much as I am a little excited that it will be something fresh and new, it will almost certainly amount to little more than 'Thargoid Combat Zone [High]', a handful of new data and materials pick-ups, half a dozen new engineering recipies blueprints and completely unrelated CGs that serve no purpose and don't unlock or change anything at all, that the developer is terribly excited about of course.

Really don't want the latter. It's probably going to be the latter. People will be able to buy the game in a years time, and have no idea there's even another race, as they'll never see it, in much the same way that powerplay literally has no value beyond being a grossly soulless time-sink for the vast majority of the experience.

CGs. Mats. Data. Some new modules. Some new USS, and a few CG. Get ready for it; it's best to hope for something great, but expect what we have. All of the cool stuff happening, may just be leading to more of the same.

Dear lord, I really do not want to be right.
 
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Some guy in the central market in Achenar is speechifying... (a little derivative for my taste):

So now - Friends, Commanders, Fellow Citizens of the Empire,
I come not to to argue … but to bury Thargoidi

I say to He who has no stomach for this fight
let him depart:
We would not die in that mans company -
That fears his fellowship to die with us in the Return

Goids! from this day to the end of the galaxy
We shall be REMEMBERED
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; Right on Commander!
Together we will leave scorched Ammonia!

Ever this day shall be remembered… The Return
He that outlives this day and comes safe home
will stand “bright eyed” when this day is named
He will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say "smoke me a kipper”

And gentlemen of Achenar now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not there,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon the Return...
Thargoidi ad porta !
 
Some guy in the central market in Achenar is speechifying... (a little derivative for my taste):

So now - Friends, Commanders, Fellow Citizens of the Empire,
I come not to to argue … but to bury Thargoidi

I say to He who has no stomach for this fight
let him depart:
We would not die in that mans company -
That fears his fellowship to die with us in the Return

Goids! from this day to the end of the galaxy
We shall be REMEMBERED
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; Right on Commander!
Together we will leave scorched Ammonia!

Ever this day shall be remembered… The Return
He that outlives this day and comes safe home
will stand “bright eyed” when this day is named
He will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say "smoke me a kipper”

And gentlemen of Achenar now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not there,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon the Return...
Thargoidi ad porta !

Pathetic and patriotic for sure, but still... Propaganda!
Just to get the human monster behind the smiling faces.

For myself I want the Thargoids to be diverse. As diverse as those factions in the bubble.
Some will get into fight mode with you on sight. Other maybe just are ignoring your.
Others you might be able to get into communication to barter with.

But I don't expect that many are sharing my point of view. There are too many blood thirsty people
out there already advertising bloody businesses.

Maybe I will change jobs for a while going from CMDR to undertaker riding funeral barks. Very profitable thing
in the near future I guess.

Regards,
Miklos
 
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