In which place of the engines you mentioned did you saw accurate (not ELP) atmospheric simulations?
Elite: Dangerous Mega Survey Results
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It also shows that most people aren't interested in PvP, like all other polls before. Unless they are doing PvP at Sag A with their discovery scanners...
Odd that Frontier caters to them so much as well.
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If you are expecting accurate atmospheric moddeling you are in for a long wait. I spent many years working with multi million $ CAE simulators out in the gulf, even those are not able to provide an accurate simuation outside of a certain flight envelope. I'd suggest lowering your expectations, this is a desktop space simuation, expect pretty colours combined with a basic simulation of operating a futuristic FBW machine.
Space engine does a great job capturing the visuals. I'd expect the flight model guys at ED to do a good job of working within their constraints, they have done an excellent job so far.
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Yes, that shows why the discussion was doomed from the start. I was just interested in the argument about semantics (which was a very stupid discussion to begin with), it doesn't help when people bring their agendas into it.
Certainly not the majority
How you suppose to dynamically simulate layers of different gases which some of them even unable to penetrate strar(s) light through itself, without appropriate math model? CAE simulations is very, very different in terms of calculation and approximation, but they all build around existing math models, but again that models are actually quite good only for ELP, I know this because was implementing such models with C++.
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I think anyone who uses Open frequently accepts the possibility of encountering hostile players. As evidenced by the results, Open is the most popular mode and always has been. There arent any stats suggesting anything about PvP. It goes without saying that everyone PvEs since its impossible to progress without it.
Considering there is solo and pg it makes me wonder what the point in this karma system FD proposed actually is.. Since those playing in solo or pg will likely to continue doing so anyway. In effect altering how Open is played would be the same as removing solo and pg. Therefore the only logical conclusion is those bemoaning 'griefing' seemingly have an axe to grind with people playing the game anyway that doesn't agree with their own playstle.
Long and short of it is that I sense quite a bit of envy coming from those who can't hack it in Open.
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Hardly meaningless.
That is really so accomplished of you to be able to sense that from a write up of a survey. What else do you 'sense'?
This...
...is misrepresenting what the survey does because it did not express the results as a negative. It expresses the results as a positive (i.e. "28% play solo" or "49% play open") i.e. it shows what players actually do, not what they don't. So, the results are meaningful despite any shortcomings the survey may have.
...is misrepresenting what the survey does because it did not express the results as a negative. It expresses the results as a positive (i.e. "28% play solo" or "49% play open") i.e. it shows what players actually do, not what they don't. So, the results are meaningful despite any shortcomings the survey may have.
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Um… pollen? Dog whistles? The ozone layer? - rep for anyone who gets the reference.
Anyway, its a rather interesting survey, limited as usual like all surveys, but quite telling in many ways, and pretty much reflects what i see via the forums and elsewhere.
One thing i actually have noticed recently, a lot more of the people on my in-game friends list playing in open. Even seeing names there who i never expected to see playing in Open. Wondering if this has anything to do with the absence of SDC and NaCl.
Deep breath.
Why don't you people read? First, the out of context quote does not make you understand that here I mean "are on Reddit" as equivalent to "go online to read about Elite" (I mention Reddit simply because the link was posted there, because I was told it could not be posted here, and not because I love Reddit). The argument is: people that go online often looking up Elite news and info -- wherever that is -- are more "engaged" than people who never do that. And not because "Redditors are best!". Besides, I really don't understand the anti-Reddit elitist snobbery. I spend as much time there as I do here, they are complementary sources of information. Plus, I have the feeling that many of you don't understand statistical generalisations: if the poll says "the majority of players of age X do Y", your response "but I an X years old and I don't!" has no meaning whatsoever. it's an anecdote, a data point, but nothing more.
As I stated several times, I can see duplicate submissions coming from the same IP, and the number was negligible (and besides, I had people tell me they'd have, for example, several co-workers take the survey from the same network). As for the other variables, fair enough, there is no way to keep them under control. But this is not because I am a statistician (I am) but because without Frontier's help it is impossible to control the sample population.. And there is no way they'd offer official support to a project like this (for commercial reasons that we might not like, but that are totally understandable from their point of view).
I am not stopping anyone from designing and running another survey. Go ahead: show me how it's done.
Why don't you people read? First, the out of context quote does not make you understand that here I mean "are on Reddit" as equivalent to "go online to read about Elite" (I mention Reddit simply because the link was posted there, because I was told it could not be posted here, and not because I love Reddit). The argument is: people that go online often looking up Elite news and info -- wherever that is -- are more "engaged" than people who never do that. And not because "Redditors are best!". Besides, I really don't understand the anti-Reddit elitist snobbery. I spend as much time there as I do here, they are complementary sources of information. Plus, I have the feeling that many of you don't understand statistical generalisations: if the poll says "the majority of players of age X do Y", your response "but I an X years old and I don't!" has no meaning whatsoever. it's an anecdote, a data point, but nothing more.
As I stated several times, I can see duplicate submissions coming from the same IP, and the number was negligible (and besides, I had people tell me they'd have, for example, several co-workers take the survey from the same network). As for the other variables, fair enough, there is no way to keep them under control. But this is not because I am a statistician (I am) but because without Frontier's help it is impossible to control the sample population.. And there is no way they'd offer official support to a project like this (for commercial reasons that we might not like, but that are totally understandable from their point of view).
I am not stopping anyone from designing and running another survey. Go ahead: show me how it's done.
Coupling. A show I've not watched in a few years, but some lines stick in the mind
The thing is, if most players describe their play-style as Explorers (63%), and most players are playing in Open... How many of them are playing PvP while they are exploring?
The poll also doesn't ask other important questions:
If you are playing mostly in Open, in which mode do you visit CGs, Alien Sites and Capital Systems?
Do you regulary play in more than one mode?
As said above, perhaps they accept the possiblity of enountering hostile players while they are 20k ly away from the bubble, which is near zero.
I absoultely agree with that.
I don't really understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't make any sense to me.
This doesn't make any sense either.
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What were you saying about 'axes to grind' Cosmos?
Oh dear god....really...I mean really...
Have these forums now descended into my epen is bigger than yours because I play in one mode but you play in another. I can tell you it's not envy I feel had a twitch of empathy but it diddnt last long as it soo moved onto utter bewilderment that people still think Open is the man's man way of playing the game.
But yes the hotel is thataway-
First, I did enjoy reading the results, it was quite interesting and I did +rep your post
Just want to point out that my IP changes every 24 hours. Anyway, your poll can't be representative (a real representative poll doesn't exist unless you ask everyone and make sure they aren't lying, which is impossible IMO). But you make that clear in your OP on Reddit. I take it for what it is: Interesting.
I'd say it doesn't really matter if someone submits his voice twice...
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Robert Maynard
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Other than the Dev quote that states that Frontier are well aware that the majority of players do not get involved in PvP, no.
The introduction of a karma system would seem to be an attempt to curb some of the behaviours that Frontier consider to be detrimental to the health of the game in general and Open in particular.
Speculation. If the karma system has the desired effect then it seems likely that more players will want to play in Open (not all, of course).
Not really, in my opinion, as the three game modes were part of the game design from the outset (along with the single shared galaxy state and mode mobility) - and nowhere does it state that engaging in particular behaviours in Open would be free from consequences....
First, I did enjoy reading the results, it was quite interesting and I did +rep your post
Just want to point out that my IP changes every 24 hours. Anyway, your poll can't be representative (a real representative poll doesn't exist unless you ask everyone and make sure they aren't lying, which is impossible IMO). But you make that clear in your OP on Reddit. I take it for what it is: Interesting.
I'd say it doesn't really matter if someone submits his voice twice...
Thanks. That's all I wanted to accomplish, well aware of the unsurpassable limits: an interesting but flawed snapshot. I just get frustrated when all of a sudden everyone is an expert statistician (not you) doing Monday-morning quarterbacking by carefully enumerating all the flaws the survey has, and how I should've done it differently. Often ignoring stuff that I tried to carefully explain in the post. A post that most people don't seem to have any interest in reading because apparently Reddit has cooties.
It's TEH INTARTUBEZ.
PS: Great work, I admire the dedication. It shows that people care for Elite's future. If only FDev cared
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner! From The Cupboard of Patrick's Love.