God the ego on it, cue some half-baked campaign to try and force FD to change...yawn.[down]
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Yeah, I recall that right before this particular hotel california started, there were 4 or 5 threads on this. And I was in each one of them. Couldn't keep things straight to save my life.
In the song it's bends. Like the medical condition that diver's get when they surface without taking decompression stops. Really painful stuff I hear.
Oh. Well it's been ages since I've heard the song. Actually, it hasn't been THAT long, just that when it comes on I recognize it and go right back to what I was previously doing. I've never heard of this condition though.
Like an native English speaker trying to pronounce Benz in a way that resembles the german pronunciation. In the German pronunciation there is a hint of a d/t sound between ben and s. Like a short interruption, only starting the d/t sound and then abandoning it.
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We're a tad off-topic, but in the song I had assumed 'bends' as it follows 'Tiffany twisted' and is more about a mental state than a physical object. A quick scan across a few lyrics sites also shows bends rather than Benz.
Also known by it's old name "caisson disease". The construction of the Eads Bridge in STL was the first documented study of it, because the pillars needed to be driven very deep.
I like the Kansas song, better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuFkavneS60
I've been mainly staying out of this semantics argument... but there are no "apples"... you are describing two different game mechanics and claiming they are the same.
The bends is a risk for deep sea divers, high altitude pilots, and astronauts on EVA. It occurs when dissolved nitrogen in the bloodstream becomes a gas...in the body. It wants to get out, and so it does. The more common name is decompression sickness or atrial gas embolism. Severe cases can be debilitating and even lethal. /offTopic
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Popular locations get UA bombed all the time. A station service or two might get shut down, but a total shutdown from UAs is hard to do. Even for just one station, it isn't easy. Harder still for a whole system of any reasonable size. And meta alloys are pretty easy to get and deliver anywhere, unless meta alloys no longer counter UA bombing and I missed the memo. Easy stuff to counter from solo. A little time, an AspX (or any ship with sufficient jump range and cargo capacity), and an SRV are all you need. Still don't see how open mode would supposedly be a better way to do it. Honestly, it would be worse because barnacle sites get camped by the murder hobos a lot.
Anyone can UA bomb or deliver alloys in any mode equally (looking at game mechanics only)
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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They are the same. PLAYER VS PLAYER.
If I UA bomb something like the starting area. IT EFFECTS PLAYERS. And my actions effected other players period. And its the largest form of PVP in this game. Its all done without weapons.
Again you are trying to use semantics to make a point which you don't have... you are taking a game mechanic that affects everything... the Background Simulation, also rumored to be known as the Notorious BSG,... and claiming that if you do something that affects it than you are PVPing... If I am in solo and the station I use is UA bombed by someone in Open and shut down, guess what I'M STILL PLAYING AGAINST THE ENVIRONMENT NOT A PERSON. Even though someone else did affect that environment, I'm not playing against that player I'm playing against the environment.
That's like saying that a car is the same as a lorry, because they both drive on the road. They do, but they're not the same...
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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They are both automobiles driving on the same road.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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You're playing against the environment to effect another person.
Alright lets take guildwars 2 for example. IN WvW PVP, you attack bosses and walls to get inside and take over the base. Sometimes this is done without ever any other player is around.
But its still effecting the other team.
The same applies here. You're going out of your way to effect others even though its PVE. Its still PVP in the end because of your effects you have on the other faction.
And thats the bottom line. Its PVE with Intent to effect others.
People go out of their way to join a mobius group so people cannot be effected by others. So they should not be able to effect others while in it.
Its the whole reason this thread exists in the first place.
And the only reason people are against it is because they want to take advantage of the system. End of story.
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Actually, in a roundabout way he is right. Indirect PvP seems to be his angle at the moment. Using PvE to purposefully attack another group is quite common in ED, I lost access to bounties at a station because of it (went from Fed to neutral).
With UAs / Metas (same for all of Power Play) - it is down to what player(s) push harder than the other player(s) or who has the bigger group.
SDC (or was it Code - I always get those 2 mixed up) did try to shut down Mobius if you recall, and the Mobius group not only thwarted them but did it back to them.
That was one group of players versus another group of players - all in different modes to each other fighting.... well, more of a whitewash as SDC suck at BGS stuff and don't have the same player power as Mobius - but that's another story
PvPvE I believe is the correct term for this type of game.
I'm not actually sure what any of this has to do with his point anymore, he seems to go in circles/talk nonsense most of the time, but he is right that indirect PvP is a major part of ED.
The "end of story" is those who didn't bother to read up on what they were buying shouldn't be allowed to post this type of nonsense.
The game was designed, marketed and sold with the current mode system and all modes on all platforms having full access to the one BGS.
Do you want to know honestly why this thread is alive?
You like many others ASSUMED it was EVE in cockpits - well, it's not.
YOU made assumptions and threw your money away.
Next time, pay attention to what you are buying, you'll be much happier in the long run.
YOU made assumptions and threw your money away.
Next time, pay attention to what you are buying, you'll be much happier in the long run.
And that is why we are here.
PC/Mac, XBox One, PS/4 with 3 modes each and 1 BGS for them all.
As promised by Frontier.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Yep and the biggest form of PVP is UA bombing in a private group using PVE tactics effecting everyone across all the game modes. And you never have to fire a single bullet. With no risk to boot.
Would you like me to link the Kickstarter and DDA again, just for you?
Working as intended, designed this way spring to mind.
You do understand EVERY OTHER Elite game was a Single player, Multiplayer here was an after thought, that's why it's a broken, easy to abuse P2P system.
For example;
Were you even around the week of the launch? man, it was HILARIOUS. Frontier shipped the game with uPnP disabled in the game INI files.... no one could see anyone else, it completely broke multiplayer.
And they didn't know why it wasn't working - we players had to explain it to them, as well as explain to other players how to edit game files so we could see each other.
Also FYI, all home routers have the option to disable uPnP traffic.... as most security websites advise you do, can you see how that would impact the ED experience for any security minded person.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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You can link it all you want. Kickstarters didnt know about player factions and powerplay faction. They werent in the game at the time and they are PVP activities.
The game has evolved since then. Do you want a gold star for being a kickstarter? I bought the game, just because you were a kickstarter doesn't mean the game doesnt get balanced because you say so.
Honestly no one cares about the kickstarter thing anymore. As a matter of fact Fdev even said at one point all kickstarter promises has been fulfilled.
Game balancing for 100,000 is more important than the few that were in the kickstarter. You hang on to that last bit of hope. But thats all it is. Hope.
Its going to change. Its inevitable. Why because its a major game imbalance. Just like every other game out there that grows.
This game will not be the same it is now. Just like its not the same when you first started it.
Ill remind you one more time. Powerplay and player factions were not introduced when the kickstarter was around. And they can remove and balance that as they see fit.
Changes are coming. And its going to be a wonderful thing.
Again you are trying to spin things to make a point which doesn't exist anymore, plus again you are way off-base. You say the whole reason this thread exists is because people don't want to be affected by others. You have to realize you are wrong because everyone of us, at least all who read about the game before buying it, knew that everyone is affected in some way by everyone else... aka again BGS. The only way to not be affected by everyone else was the Offline mode that never made it past Kickstarter. What everyone is here for is discussion about the modes (some for keeping, some for removing, some for changing) due to the active PLAYER VS PLAYER actions of blowing up ships, many times without reason nor rhyme .... no UA bombing, not trading, no end of story or end of line. Now this has lead to complaints of "Solo shouldn't effect BGS", "Open should get rewards for doing things in BGS" and all, but ask those flying in Solo... they are there not to get shot at for reasons and to play the game. What happens to the BGS happens and they play.
Actually, in a roundabout way he is right. Indirect PvP seems to be his angle at the moment. Using PvE to purposefully attack another group is quite common in ED, I lost access to bounties at a station because of it (went from Fed to neutral).
With UAs / Metas (same for all of Power Play) - it is down to what player(s) push harder than the other player(s) or who has the bigger group.
SDC (or was it Code - I always get those 2 mixed up) did try to shut down Mobius if you recall, and the Mobius group not only thwarted them but did it back to them.
That was one group of players versus another group of players - all in different modes to each other fighting.... well, more of a whitewash as SDC suck at BGS stuff and don't have the same player power as Mobius - but that's another story
PvPvE I believe is the correct term for this type of game.
I'm not actually sure what any of this has to do with his point anymore, he seems to go in circles/talk nonsense most of the time, but he is right that indirect PvP is a major part of ED.
*Shrug* I see PvPvE used in ARK a lot. Groups like Mobius are technically PvPvE only because PVP can happen if even by accident. But I don't view the playing of the game as that way. Even if someone UA bombs a station. I do find it strange that if you are trying to stop a station from working so you blow up ships trying to enter it, including player ships, that you are PVPing... yet if you UA bomb the station playing solely against the environment you are apparently not PVEing.. but "indirectly PVPing"...
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