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But what was it actually about? When and why did he make that hand gesture?

The human mind is not capable of comprehending such levels of realism, immersion and fidelity.

Best not ask questions about such, it's better for you, me, and everyone else if you just believe in the Vision and buy an Idris.

Dear $deity - I've just watched a certain popular youtuber who suggests that 2018 will be mainly about ship rebalancing. How can that be possible when there is no game for these ships to partake in? Why go to the great expense of time and money redeveloping these immersion chariots when there's nothing for them to do in-game, and nothing for the player to participate in apart from accept further delay and not get the immersion chariot they have already paid cash for?
 
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3.0 is approaching.............

http://i.cubeupload.com/WATKjf.jpg

Ah, here we go. Let's see what 3.0 will actually bring now compared to what they promised it would contain a few months back.

The fun part then starts as we watch the fans do mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves this is all ok and what CIG planned all along.

I suspect we will hear a lot of "Better CIG take their time and do things right rather than rush it" type comments.

Here's another one... how do they square in their minds the whole "Its talking longer because they expanded the scope" when what they will be getting as part of 3.0 is less than was promised for 3.0 one year ago???
 
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Ah, here we go. Let's see what 3.0 will actually bring now compared to what they promised it would contain a few months back.

The fun part then starts as we watch the fans do mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves this is all ok and what CIG planned all along.

I suspect we will hear a lot of "Better CIG take their time and do things right rather than rush it" type comments.

Here's another one... how do they square in their minds the whole "Its talking longer because they expanded the scope" when what they will be getting as part of 3.0 is less than was promised for 3.0 one year ago???

Don't worry there is always 3.1 if 3.0 doesn't live up to, it will fill in the gaps

3.1

Three point one...

Three-point-one; will love you more than Three-Point-Oh
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3.0 is approaching.............

http://i.cubeupload.com/WATKjf.jpg

So, the mental gymnastics have started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vlzu/were_two_moons_cut_from_30_initial_release/

They actually had me reading the announcement half a dozen times just to make sure i wasn't going crazy.

They are saying because it says "one of" it doesn't mean the other two won't be there. I guess we will have to wait and see. Could be just bad wording.

Was there no plan to have the main planet landable as well? For some reason i thought the plan was 1 planet and its 3 moons.
 
So, the mental gymnastics have started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vlzu/were_two_moons_cut_from_30_initial_release/

They actually had me reading the announcement half a dozen times just to make sure i wasn't going crazy.

They are saying because it says "one of" it doesn't mean the other two won't be there. I guess we will have to wait and see. Could be just bad wording.

Was there no plan to have the main planet landable as well? For some reason i thought the plan was 1 planet and its 3 moons.

Crusader is a Gas Giant, so won't be landable in general?
 
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So, the mental gymnastics have started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vlzu/were_two_moons_cut_from_30_initial_release/

They actually had me reading the announcement half a dozen times just to make sure i wasn't going crazy.

They are saying because it says "one of" it doesn't mean the other two won't be there. I guess we will have to wait and see. Could be just bad wording.

Was there no plan to have the main planet landable as well? For some reason i thought the plan was 1 planet and its 3 moons.

The other two moons have a lot more going on in them I think, volcanos, clouds of corrosive gas...etc. I doubt they will happen. They've produced the easy one.
 
So, the mental gymnastics have started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vlzu/were_two_moons_cut_from_30_initial_release/

They actually had me reading the announcement half a dozen times just to make sure i wasn't going crazy.

They are saying because it says "one of" it doesn't mean the other two won't be there. I guess we will have to wait and see. Could be just bad wording.

It is an ambiguous statement. If could be like "lying on one of Cornwall's beaches", which doesn't mean Cornwall only has one beach.

We should save the quotes from the people saying it can't possibly mean there will actually be only one moon, so we can do an A/B comparison of their claims in a couple of weeks should CIG announce that there really will be just one landable Moon. Which, given their technique of fixing bugs by dropping features and content, is quite likely.

I can't wait to do a detailed survey of this first landable moon. Who knows what rich content will lie there waiting for the Evocati to discover? It will be proper exploring at long last. With a means of jumping around the planet's surface, if I understand correctly: there will be some sort of teleportation, which sounds immersive.

Incidentally, the "no bamboozles" chap has given up on up his statistical predictions with a final prediction that 3.0 will probably be available by Citizencon, and it will 100% certainly be available by Christmas at the very latest. Who'd have thought?https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...mboozles_release_forecast_for_september_23rd/
 
Taken from the comment section.....

A succinct summary of which I personally would agree.

I wish SC all the best.
I hope they succeed.

But CIG are showing a remarkable lack of progress, and are still stuck in the pre-Alpha stage of development. By their own timetable, they won't get anywhere near an Alpha state until 4.0...
And there is a lack of direction. CIG are working on adding new ships and characters - but at this stage, the basic game engine still isn't finished, the netcode still isn't done, the flight model needs improving and by adding characters, ships and other assets now, CIG have just doubled or tripled their workload because these assets will - by their own admission - need to be redone.

We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.

CIG seem to be working on detail that ultimately does not matter. Creating new tools only pays off if they cut the total development time. There is no point spending five years developing a toolkit that will allow you to create a world or ships in seconds if you could otherwise have written the entire game in three. There is no point spending years developing an AI system that won't be of use within this game. A shopkeeper doesn't need AI to serve you and to be honest, a simple terminal system with robotic handlers is just as convenient, more realistic and easier to program.

I am hoping....really hoping...that despite all my criticism, and that of others...that 3.0 will really truly pay off. That it will reward the patience of the people who have backed this project. I want Star Citizen to succeed. I like the genre. I have ED, I have NMS...I got Elite itself in 1984 on the Speccy. I didn't even mind the lenslok....the game was THAT good.

So I want SC to be out and I want it to meet expectations and promises.

Maybe its because I'm a natural skeptic but I just cannot understand why the backers of Star Citizen seem so blind to its problems. I know they want it...I know **I** want it.

But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.

As it is, SC has a lot of systems that aren't needed and add little or no value to the game, all while the core foundations - the game engine, the netcode, the flight model - remain unfinished. Meanwhile, CIG seems to be embracing gameplay elements that sound impressive...but ultimately, totally unfun. Do I really need to worry about loading cargo onto a ship? I'm all for realism and I'm all for challenge and I'm all for immersion - but all of that needs to be balanced against the factor that is "fun".
 
But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.
Think you over complicated this.
I can see two mistakes:

  1. Chris Roberts
  2. See Point 1.

That is all.
 
We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.

I don't think they are bad, but yes, already look dated, especially the basic clothing. And the animations, despite all the mocap stuff, don't look much different to any other FPS out there.

Overall, so far, all i see is something that looks like a crysis mod with some nice spaceships.
 
The human mind is not capable of comprehending such levels of realism, immersion and fidelity.

Best not ask questions about such, it's better for you, me, and everyone else if you just believe in the Vision and buy an Idris.

Dear $deity - I've just watched a certain popular youtuber who suggests that 2018 will be mainly about ship rebalancing. How can that be possible when there is no game for these ships to partake in? Why go to the great expense of time and money redeveloping these immersion chariots when there's nothing for them to do in-game, and nothing for the player to participate in apart from accept further delay and not get the immersion chariot they have already paid cash for?

LMAO.... :D MAN i just snorted coffee, and the dog went nuts while I did, not to talk about the wife......

Dont do that again -_-



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Ah, here we go. Let's see what 3.0 will actually bring now compared to what they promised it would contain a few months back.

The fun part then starts as we watch the fans do mental gymnastics in order to convince themselves this is all ok and what CIG planned all along.

I suspect we will hear a lot of "Better CIG take their time and do things right rather than rush it" type comments.

Here's another one... how do they square in their minds the whole "Its talking longer because they expanded the scope" when what they will be getting as part of 3.0 is less than was promised for 3.0 one year ago???

If CIG take more time, the singularity of game making will reverse and we will all be playing pong with much immersion.
 
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It does sound a little desperate for the backers to be interpreting the "one of" as to possibly include others. I'm not really sure whether this is supposed to be an evolution of 2.6.3 or an offshoot of it. If I was feeling particularly pessimistic it sounds to me like there will be one moon you can land on and fly into "orbit" it does specifically mention flying into the atmosphere so I would be surprised if they couldn't do that. But it doesn't mention other locations at all so perhaps you won't be able to warp to other locations/planets. Or perhaps it might be accurate to say you can warp between locations orbiting that one moon. If there were multiple moons, even ones you can't land on, they would have mentioned that, surely?
 
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