PvP Griefers are seriously making me consider quitting

[Stigbob]

Ok, so I always knew your line on this topic was "block anyone who dares to attack you for any reason"

Nope my line is block all station griefers and cheats, just like I've explained to you already on numerous occasions when you've made that up before.

no matter how much you insist it's just "block cheaters!"

I never said that I always maintained I block station griefers as well as cheats, it's a semantic argument though as I can confirm that they are exactly the same players.

I'll be perfectly honest with you; the idea that you would tell this guy who is flying sans shielding to block someone who would cause him harm before you would advise him to at least make an attempt at properly equipping his ship and learning to fly it is a pathetic joke. Good god, Bob. For shame.

I'll be perfectly honest back Jason, I like choice as much as you like trying to silence talk of things you dislike. I like exercising choice and I like explaining to people how they can exercise choice. Now the thing you are complaining at me about today is me telling a guy to use block rather than consider changing modes. I advised him to use block as in my judgement he doesn't seem a very "fighty" CMDR, so my block policy doesn't really apply to him as I'm "fighty". So I tailored my advice in the knowledge that the git-gud pro-bros would presently be along to whinge about his outfitting.

Between us we've given him all the information he needs to make his own mind up, I gave him advice without trying to belittle him though.

 

[jasonbarron]

Nope my line is block all station griefers and cheats, just like I've explained to you already on numerous occasions when you've made that up before.



I never said that I always maintained I block station griefers as well as cheats, it's a semantic argument though as I can confirm that they are exactly the same players.



I'll be perfectly honest back Jason, I like choice as much as you like trying to silence talk of things you dislike. I like exercising choice and I like explaining to people how they can exercise choice. Now the thing you are complaining at me about today is me telling a guy to use block rather than consider changing modes. I advised him to use block as in my judgement he doesn't seem a very "fighty" CMDR, so my block policy doesn't really apply to him as I'm "fighty". So I tailored my advice in the knowledge that the git-gud pro-bros would presently be along to whinge about his outfitting.

Between us we've given him all the information he needs to make his own mind up, I gave him advice without trying to belittle him though.

No, that's all a bunch of rubbish. What happened to him has nothing to do with cheating or station ramming. You're telling a player to use Block instead of advising him to use literally the barest minimum of defensive measures. You're advise is terrible, and you should be embarrassed to have even given it.

Oh, and as far as your last little snippet is concerned; he's the one who was belittling the players, as are you for validating his opinion; I was simply setting him straight about who was who in that scenario.

 

[StevieG]

Dont go private. Wait for Karma and log feature requests.... for example.... a CMDR killing 2-3 unwanted CMDRs in a CG high security system would be banned from shinrata and the CG system for 30 days and they have no rebuy.

Lets make Open great again!

 

[Crank Larson]

Lets make Open great again!

You were doing so well up until that statement.

 

[MamaSaid]

Personally, I agree. But people don't play computer games for honour. Your last sentence sums it up. I treat the E: D galaxy as our own... Humans have personality flaws. A lot of them. We all need to deal with them. Shieldless in Open heading towards a CG really isn't a good idea.

No shields and in Open (which I never do), I see your point.

But to counter, going after a shieldless, unarmed, unwanted Commander is kind of like kicking someone in the face whilst they are asleep, then pointing and laughing.

Trust me, I rarely go without Shields, I was just trying to get the community goal moving forward. I've learned this lesson before, so it really is a shame on me situation. Still, it just seems to go against the whole Spirit of building a community. This isn't Call of Duty, after all. But then that's a shame on me, yet again. I keep thinking that people are interested in building a community, instead of tearing each other apart. Which I am often reminded of after reading half of the posts in this forum. Yet again, another disappointment. So many people out to tear others apart. A break is in order.

Be well and fly safe (or exclusively in Solo mode) Commanders.

 

[Schmack]

The problem with this PvP vs PvE in the same instance is that there's no middle ground. PvE appears to be all co-op. PvP appears to be all conflict. The caveat here though is that a good portion of the PvP that PvEers experience is from edgelord type murder hobos. They don't often experience good PvP because those guys are too busy looking for a real challenge instead of seal clubbing. Then you have the folks who cross over and make videos of themselves exploiting game rules to create bad experiences for other players in hopes of getting some kind of response.

So you go into Mobius, and you find that although you can see a few actual players here and there (think Ceos, Sothis, Quince, starter systems and CGs mostly with the rest of the galaxy devoid of life) everyone is going about their own business and rarely do I see any interaction between folks. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you'd be hard pressed to go in and find co-op game play on demand.

Of course, solo is just you and the BGS which is ok too, if you're grinding for a ship or something... anything.

It seems that the "just for fun" aspect of ED is to be found mostly in open, but it depends on what group you've joined. I suggest joining a group so you can be in your own galaxy (of sorts) with like minded folks facing the BGS and not worrying about being fodder for the edgelords of the galaxy.

 

[Stigbob]

No, that's all a bunch of rubbish. What happened to him has nothing to do with cheating or station ramming.

Which is why my personal block policy doesn't apply, FDEV's block function does however he can use it or not use it as he see's fit.

You're telling a player to use Block instead of advising him to use literally the barest minimum of defensive measures. You're advise is terrible, and you should be embarrassed to have even given it.

Every player can do whatever they like with the block function, it doesn't matter how upset that makes you as you have no input in it. It's not your choice.

Oh, and as far as your last little snippet is concerned; he's the one who was belittling the players, as are you for validating his opinion; I was simply setting him straight about who was who in that scenario.

I agree with him shooting unshielded traders lacks honour, skill or challenge people who do it should be embarrassed.

 

[BDelacroix]

I will simply add that going to private group only decreases the chances. There are great efforts to gain access to these groups to shoot up a bunch of people who want nothing to do with them. It happens fairly regularly.

Secondly, the people running some of the private groups tend to have some odd fascination with griefers.

As pointed out, the goal of a griefer is recognition. Give them none.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Two days ago I was griefed by two losers. I call them losers because I was flying in my unarmed, unshielded Type 9 loaded with goods for Liz Ryder's CG for the benefit of all the community.

It is your job to keep your ship in one piece. You decided to do a CG in an unarmed, unshielded T9, which is probably the least intelligent thing to do beyond repeatedly boosting into a solid object of your preference. If you care that little about protecting yourself, dont complain when you blow up. And definitely dont call other people 'losers' when the only person who lost anything is you, and primarily due to failure to even try to protect yourself.

 

[EvE4evah]

I will simply add that going to private group only decreases the chances. There are great efforts to gain access to these groups to shoot up a bunch of people who want nothing to do with them. It happens fairly regularly.

Secondly, the people running some of the private groups tend to have some odd fascination with griefers.

As pointed out, the goal of a griefer is recognition. Give them none.

Ironically enough, griefing in PG is not as rare as PG incursions by "griefers". Every now and then, there are people scoring the last shot on an NPC in a HAZRes in order to get the bounty and leave you empty handed. People dropping into your RES to leech on NPC kills is almost never mentioned, still very overlooked.

 

[EvE4evah]

Heya Stig!!

Which is why my personal block policy doesn't apply, FDEV's block function does however he can use it or not use it as he see's fit.

Every player can do whatever they like with the block function, it doesn't matter how upset that makes you as you have no input in it. It's not your choice.

I agree with him shooting unshielded traders lacks honour, skill or challenge people who do it should be embarrassed.

1. And that's proof that FDev Block policy was poorly implemented. We can hope the Block goes back to being a simple Comms block, as in other multiplayer games.

2. Bad mechanics don't justify using them. Otherwise, CLogging or Engineer exploiting should be used, since people can do whatever they like.

3. Who cares about honor, skill or challenge. Said aggressors are, in fact, hired third party with the objective to keep Open dangerous, and reminding people why they should be careful and avoid flying shieldless in Open.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Ironically enough, griefing in PG is not as rare as PG incursions by "griefers". Every now and then, there are people scoring the last shot on an NPC in a HAZRes in order to get the bounty and leave you empty handed. People dropping into your RES to leech on NPC kills is almost never mentioned, still very overlooked.

It's a separate but very good point. Its a bit gamey but maybe payout of bounty should be split depending on percentage damage done. That way no kill stealing (against cmdrs OR AI)

 

[Ozram]

Ironically enough, griefing in PG is not as rare as PG incursions by "griefers". Every now and then, there are people scoring the last shot on an NPC in a HAZRes in order to get the bounty and leave you empty handed. People dropping into your RES to leech on NPC kills is almost never mentioned, still very overlooked.

That makes my in game character murderous. Kill thieves... triggers every time.

 

[EvE4evah]

That makes my in game character murderous. Kill thieves... triggers every time.

Which is nice.

Sadly, PG being PG, a player can't even return the favor, like you do.

 

[EvE4evah]

My preference would be your dense, trolling cranium!

Nice ad hominem attack there. Keep on keeping on

 

[Stigbob]

Heya Stig!!

Hello I've been away up mountains, very healthy and invigorating. I've just read in the news that there were two emergency airlifts from snowdon less than 48 hours after I was up the summit (the summit has a coffee shop that mountain really needs to git-gud), not surprising really I saw more struggling people in jeans and trainers than stout boots and bobble hats (a bit like flying unshielded in open).

1. And that's proof that FDev Block policy was poorly implemented. We can hope the Block goes back to being a simple Comms block, as in other multiplayer games.

It was never supposed to be just comms, that was a temporary fudged version after lots of entitled wailing I think. Now it's working as was always intended to purge the unclean.

2. Bad mechanics don't justify using them. Otherwise, CLogging or Engineer exploiting should be used, since people can do whatever they like.

Block is a designed function working as intended, whereas clogging and 5-1 are cheats so it's not really the same.

3. Who cares about honor, skill or challenge.

Me.

Said aggressors are, in fact, hired third party with the objective to keep Open dangerous, and reminding people why they should be careful and avoid flying shieldless in Open.

Dangerous is fun, station griefing cheaters and low skill gankers not so much.

 

[Jack Schitt]

There's been nothing worthwhile in this thread for a week or two. I think I'll unsubscr... oh. OK.

 

[Gunnet]

lmao.. A player in an un-shielded Type 9.. How could anyone not shoot at that? [haha]

OMG I was thinking the same thing. To NOT shoot that down would be like a crime against nature.

Not everybody sees something helpless and instinctively wants to harm it. Different strokes I guess.

 

[Stigbob]

It's a separate but very good point. Its a bit gamey but maybe payout of bounty should be split depending on percentage damage done. That way no kill stealing (against cmdrs OR AI)

Approach from below where you are obscured by cockpit and boost across the guns of the kill-thief.

 

[GJ51]

Forum griefers are worse than the in-game griefers.

Not closed yet?

Odd