96 hours to locate a base...? SHENANIGANS!!!!

Do you go crazy like that on people that skip some pages of a book, too? Punishable by law - lol.

Um your comparison fails and you are just a troll. Are you sure you have a single clue as to what you speak?

If you want to use books as an example albeit a really terrible analogy it goes as follows.


JK Rowling is writing a new book. The book is complete, someone breaks into her computer and steals the manuscript. Then that person who stole it publishes it as there own. Which is theft and is punishable by law. I dont write the rules or laws, but theft and distribution of ideas are still theft. The EULA protects against that as well as the ToS. So yes, if FDEV wanted to and they could prove it, they could bring a case against anyone who tampered with their Proprietary code. Its the way software has worked for the last 30 years and your failed attempt at being "clever" wont change that. Troll somewhere else.
 
Um your comparison fails and you are just a troll. Are you sure you have a single clue as to what you speak?

If you want to use books as an example albeit a really terrible analogy it goes as follows.


JK Rowling is writing a new book. The book is complete, someone breaks into her computer and steals the manuscript. Then that person who stole it publishes it as there own. Which is theft and is punishable by law. I dont write the rules or laws, but theft and distribution of ideas are still theft. The EULA protects against that as well as the ToS. So yes, if FDEV wanted to and they could prove it, they could bring a case against anyone who tampered with their Proprietary code. Its the way software has worked for the last 30 years and your failed attempt at being "clever" wont change that. Troll somewhere else.

No one steals anything by simply looking into game files, dude. What a load of bull. We're talking about spoilers here.
 
I am calling Shenanigans. This is not the first time something like this has happened, and yet it was never THIS obvious.

Let me back up. While my IQ isn't all that high, probably mid double digits, I have often wondered about the probability of a lone explorer finding a McGuffin that furthers the game canon in a game with a 1:1 scale galaxy.

(In no particular order... and I have more, but haven't had enough coffee yet to remember them all)
* Jaques station goes missing. Everyone is wondering where it might be. A lone explorer finds it 21k lightyears away... Huh. Wow, that's pretty dang cool.
* There are capital ships in the game. Oh, here is how I found them.... Huh. That's cool. Um... ok.
* Alien probes, planetary barnacles, unknown artifacts... Huh. That's... odd. How did you locate... nevermind, I wanna go see 'em too.
* Thargoids are coming. You can get a really cool, really scary cutscene if you go to THIS area of space while carrying THIS specific item on board. Huh... now just how in the blue blazes did you know... you know what, I'm sold. I wanna do that too.
* Less than 96 hours after seeing an old Inara Base for less than 2 seconds in an already busy trailer, said base is found.

Ok. Look, I get it. there are 400 BILLION (say it like Carl Sagan!) star systems. Devs want to advance the story. Get the word out. Get everyone excited about something coming down the pipeline. But, come on... really?? This just has the overt feeling of someone from Frontier telling a buddy to go look at this system, these co-ords.

If you are going to be cryptic and say there are still lots of mysteries from day 1 yet to be discovered in the main bubble, yet this happens so soon after seeing it at FdevCon or whatever it was... that's just shenanigans.

Look, you have me. I am playing your game. In fact, it's on another screen as I type this. I really, really love this game. No matter how many times I take a break from playing, no matter how long that brake may be... I am still here. I am still playing. I have invested SO much time into this game, and I am not sorry one bit. It is my little slice of heaven in a world gone mad. But ... really? REALLY?!? How about just leaving breadcrumbs in the GalNet and let us find stuff?

If I was that lucky, I would buy lottery tickets.

Sorry. End of Not Enough Coffee Rant.

Hehehe. No I agree actually. I'm always amazed at how fast some of these things are found. Though there's also an element of monkeys and typewriters with this stuff.

I know some are found due to bugs or mistakes too.

Having worked behind the scenes at a company that did mystery events though, I know that there's always contingency plans in case your vital clues aren't found. I imagine that Fdev have many forum accounts set up so they can leak information to players on the forums and in game, I suspect at least one or two Canonn group members are secretly devs and when a certain discovery isn't made they start dropping hints and directing things the right way. That's what I'd do if I was Fdev.

Also I've been reading Galnet articles for a while and it seems that when something isn't found there's more and more in Galnet that (later) you can see was all hints and clues that something is there.

Oops just read this:
Hello,

Just wanted to clear up that we absolutely do not feed groups with any private, secret or privileged information in order to progress the story.
In all honesty, we're consistently blown away by how quickly players find these things we've put in to the game. Players have used star maps, trailers, and lots of other different ways to find interesting locations in the past. Ways we didn't expect... ways that challenge us to make even more interesting and tricky ways to unlock new information.
It's worth mentioning that data mining is against the EULA, and we do not condone this way of gaining data or information about the game (or other similar ways of obtaining this information that goes way above my technical understanding). We implore people to not spoil the experience of others... it's just not cool quite frankly.

Once again, the implication that we're feeding information to players is incorrect, and that sort of speculation is potentially harmful... so try to avoid doing that. Thanks.

Ed

Apologies then. I guess you're not doing that. ;)
 
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No, we NEVER try to hack the game files (Personally I don't know how we could make that).
YOU may not hack the game files, but one of the people involved in giving you the tip of the planet to check probably did. I don't think anyone is accusing Atlantis Wing of anything, but that "intuition" nonsense was not legit.

Getting defensive about it, the story seemingly changing, and the weird way questions were evaded didn't really help anything.
 
YOU may not hack the game files, but one of the people involved in giving you the tip of the planet to check probably did. I don't think anyone is accusing Atlantis Wing of anything, but that "intuition" nonsense was not legit.

Getting defensive about it, the story seemingly changing, and the weird way questions were evaded didn't really help anything.

It's never the crime, it's always the cover-up.

Check with Richard Nixon. :)
 

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Hello,

Just wanted to clear up that we absolutely do not feed groups with any private, secret or privileged information in order to progress the story.
In all honesty, we're consistently blown away by how quickly players find these things we've put in to the game. Players have used star maps, trailers, and lots of other different ways to find interesting locations in the past. Ways we didn't expect... ways that challenge us to make even more interesting and tricky ways to unlock new information.
It's worth mentioning that data mining is against the EULA, and we do not condone this way of gaining data or information about the game (or other similar ways of obtaining this information that goes way above my technical understanding). We implore people to not spoil the experience of others... it's just not cool quite frankly.

Once again, the implication that we're feeding information to players is incorrect, and that sort of speculation is potentially harmful... so try to avoid doing that. Thanks.

Ed
Sorry dude, but I've heard more than once that certain favorites in the community were shown stuff that others aren't allowed to see and that they are under NDA to not talk. Which to their credit, they have not given away any secrets. When Obsidian Ant says he saw cool upcoming stuff during a recent visit to the offices, I tend to believe him over the company's hype man.

I've also heard one or two other instances of certain players saying they were given small tidbits of hints to this or that because they were friendly with this dev or that.

Do I believe anyone at FDEV would give them details like "It's on this planet"? No. Do I believe that smaller tip-offs have been given to favorites in the community? Yes I do.
 
YOU may not hack the game files, but one of the people involved in giving you the tip of the planet to check probably did. I don't think anyone is accusing Atlantis Wing of anything, but that "intuition" nonsense was not legit.

Getting defensive about it, the story seemingly changing, and the weird way questions were evaded didn't really help anything.

Didn't help what exactly, Grand Inquisitor?
 
Huge thanks for posting that Thatchinho, much appreciated by me at least. It still seems a bit needle in a haystack but I'm prepared to believe it was a combination of intuition, dumb luck and clever use of high contrast graphics settings and planetary search experience/skill.

No probs.

Personally, having been through it all in detail several times, I can't really see any signs of intuition being involved, and a bit of luck maybe but nothing outrageous. Most of it just seems to be based on sound reasoning as far as I can tell.

Going through it all:

- The Alioth area as a search region. That's based on old lore about INRA. - That seems pretty rational to me.
- It being in an unpopulated system. The rationale for this is that it's a secret base and so wouldn't be put in a populated system where it might be easily stumbled across. - again that seems utterly rational to me.
- <personally in my view it would also be in a system that was unlikely to become populated for the same reason, and the system would be not just unpopulated but also generally inhospitable.>
- It being on a white coloured icy body. That's based on the colour of the surface in the background in the screenshot from the trailer. - Again entirely rational.
- The body having ravines. That's also based on what can be seen in the background of the screenshot from the trailer. - again that's perfectly rational.

The only thing that's not completely clear to that point is why it would be a named planet. The post about it isn't well worded, but as far as I can tell this it's due to things being in named planets in the lore. - That's still pretty reasonable.

It also seems that Cookie thinks the site wouldn't be very close to Alioth. That's for the same reasons as it being in an unpopulated system. That bit's again not well worded so it's hard to be sure. - it would be fairly rational though.

So, there's the set of criteria with which the search for the planet seems to have been done, all of which are fairly rational:
- in the area around Alioth
- named system
- unpopulated
- white icy body with ravines

Also possibly:
- not too close to Alioth

Cookie also reported finding lots of convoys in the system, which he thought was unusual for an unpopulated system, and made it stand out to him. - Personally, at the time of writing this, I don't know for sure whether that would be an indicator of the base being there or is actually completely normal for a system of that type in that area.

Anyway, that gives a search for the planet which can be replicated by anyone.

Steps to replicate:

1. Go to galmap
2. Find Alioth
3. Filter out all populated systems (Set government type or economy to none)
4. Work through named systems...
4.a. Check system in EDSM. If system doesn't have landable icy bodies, try another system. If it does, then;
4.b. Jump to the system, honk, and open system map (or open system map from galmap if available).
4.c. Check the colours of the icy bodies. If there are no white icy bodies, try another system. If there are white icy bodies, investigate further.
4.d. Does the body have ravines and does the colouration match that in the screenshot? If no, then check next white icy bodies. If there's no more white icy bodies, then try another system. If yes, then this identifies a body which might have a base on.
4.e. Check for convoys for reference. (Unclear currently whether this is a co-incidence or an indicator that a base is present, so just note and proceed regardless.)
4.f. Continue to search further systems for other bodies or go straight to...
5. Report identified body/bodies which might contain a base.

Start point for the search could be immediately next to Alioth or further out if you agree with the rationale that putting a secret base very close to Alioth wouldn't be a sensible thing to do.

I'd definitely say it's worth having a go as you'll than have a means of assessing how much of a needle in a haystack situation it actually was.
 

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Didn't help what exactly, Grand Inquisitor?
Didn't help clear up who was involved in the shady aspects of this whole incident. It was clear from the very start that the tip-off was sketchy. But with the changing story, evading questions, getting SUPER defensive, etc it made the Atlantis Wing guys look a little suspicious too for a while.
 
No one steals anything by simply looking into game files, dude. What a load of bull. We're talking about spoilers here.

And how you get into those files and steal the data is the issue. We are not talking spoilers we are talking theft. Purchase a game that has special features but you didnt pay for it. So you hack into it and take the data you didnt pay for. That is still theft.

Its not a spoiler its theft. So when you break TOS/EULA and then use decryption software to decode the game files, you are willfully, and maliciously breaking TOS/EULA with the intent of personal gain. Sure if you are a piece of garbage, that is something you would do. But what you can't do is share it with other people for profit, either fame, or monitary sales from You Tube or Twitch streaming, you have the potential to profit from property that you do not own. Property that the public does not have access to nor has been authorized to utilized by the public. So that is theft and that is illegal.

You can attempt to pedantically spin this any way you like. If you are one of the pieces of trash who dig through code and publish spoilers, there is nothing can or will say that will make you correct. There is no room for interpretation. Intellectual rights violations and data theft/fraud is non debatable.
 
I wonder whether the Elite community is going to ever run out of things to complain about.

[video=youtube;eyGumi55aGA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyGumi55aGA[/video]
 
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And how you get into those files and steal the data is the issue. We are not talking spoilers we are talking theft. Purchase a game that has special features but you didnt pay for it. So you hack into it and take the data you didnt pay for. That is still theft.

Its not a spoiler its theft. So when you break TOS/EULA and then use decryption software to decode the game files, you are willfully, and maliciously breaking TOS/EULA with the intent of personal gain. Sure if you are a piece of garbage, that is something you would do. But what you can't do is share it with other people for profit, either fame, or monitary sales from You Tube or Twitch streaming, you have the potential to profit from property that you do not own. Property that the public does not have access to nor has been authorized to utilized by the public. So that is theft and that is illegal.

You can attempt to pedantically spin this any way you like. If you are one of the pieces of trash who dig through code and publish spoilers, there is nothing can or will say that will make you correct. There is no room for interpretation. Intellectual rights violations and data theft/fraud is non debatable.

Nonsense. And wipe off the foam from your mouth.

Oh wait - AAA publisher just calling. They ask if you want to be their new legal advisor. They say they have problems enforcing their crappy cheatcrates for SP. They need someone to spin doctor using cheats as fraud so they can persecute it.
 
Didn't help clear up who was involved in the shady aspects of this whole incident. It was clear from the very start that the tip-off was sketchy. But with the changing story, evading questions, getting SUPER defensive, etc it made the Atlantis Wing guys look a little suspicious too for a while.

We gave every answers we had. Sincerely. I (and my group) have peace of mind.

Fly safe mon ami.
 

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This is why I don't involve myself with player groups.

Nobody cares about me. (Which is good IMO)
 
Frontier might give us a hint on where to look if we have been looking in the wrong place for a long period of time. i.e. the Michael Brooks hint of 'listening to them'.

That would be the limit of giving away details.
 
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