Thanks to station embush players, missiles are finally balanced.
Players who don't like skill to achieve things will complain to loose their I win button and blame others who prove how broken it is.
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Thanks to station embush players, missiles are finally balanced.
Players who don't like skill to achieve things will complain to loose their I win button and blame others who prove how broken it is.
I clicked your link about griefers and the block function there in your siggy Stigbob, and read up some more. I am curious, has anyone compiled a "master griefer list"? I would assume if people blocked them en masse their instances would be quite lonely. Sorry if this is off-topic, but I suddenly found myself wanting to play in open after imagining a list to get rid of a good number of griefers in one shot, or at least reduce their effectiveness.
Off topic - go post on the other section.
LOL. Where's your blue moderator flair?
Don't have to be a Mod or a genius to use logic.
Hi Malaus
As you might have noticed, there's quite a bit of internet testosterone in the PvP section which explains the hip thrusting you have been experiencing. They don't take kindly to these here questions. And they be having a point that this line of inquiry doesn't really belong in this forum section or thread. Since you're rather new to the forums, it might have escaped your attention.
I'm sure you'll understand. Cheers mate, and enjoy your time here.
Ziggy one hell of a nice guy Stardust.
But, you do need to be a Mod to direct traffic here.
While I acknowledge that you have openly admitted to being both a cheat and an exploiter here in the forum, I don't see what that has to do with either skill or balance.
I just couldn't resist responding to the nonesence posted here. On top of promoting cheating in the official forums, some of the carebe... sorry PVE players pollute this section with the ussual poison.
Well it has nothing to do with skill (like using missiles). Even Captain obvious is not needed to understand that.
About using a reported bug until FDev finally stated it was an exploit, yes i did use it and it has nothing to do with skill (don't forget i have been punished for that).
I salute your effort trying desperatly to make a point though.
A blackscreen is a clear cut technical issue and the only way to leave the game is to kill the task or restart the system. That's a pretty clear cut case.
I lost a 30 mil rebuy corvette and an Elite NPC crew member, who I spent 70+ million cr in wages on, due to a falling skimmer. I didn't disconnect, I filled a support ticket. Had it happened a second time, I wouldn't even have done that, as it would have been my fault, now that I was aware of the nature of the issue. This is also rather clear cut.
Severing connection explicitly to save one's vessel is cheating and that's about as black and white as things get. Either the situation is one where support will rightfully reimburse a player for things beyond their control, in which case a disconnection is not needed, or the player is cheating.
Your definition is objectively too narrow for the word.
A landing pad can be used as a weapon, as can almost anything else.
Frontier has deliberately allowed combat inside stations since the game's inception. They have repeatedly adjusted the difficulty of fighting here with CMDR convenience, with mixed results, but it's clear that they've never wanted combat to be impossible inside stations.
Completely safe areas, unless one was actually docked, were never intended.
If the intent was to cause harm, it was an attack.
Personally, I'm inclined to consider all sorts of things exploits of unintended features, but Frontier has explicitly barred/spoken out about only a small handful of things (like willfully disconnecting).
Using the station's asinine rules of engagement against other CMDRs is no more or less an exploit than being able to use the 15 second logout timer to escape a dangerous situation or going to Dav's Hope and having it give materials and data repeatedly. I try to avoid all of them (not withstanding demonstrations for bug reports), but consider the later two examples more harmful and disruptive to the game.
Not that I'm aware of, but as Frontier's ideal/vision generally makes sense (even if they habitually compromise it for the sake of convenience) I cannot imagine that using one's ship, or other parts of the environment, to inflict collision damage wouldn't be both foreseeable and intended.
I do think it's fairly clear that the station's RoE are heavily compromised toward simplicity and player convenience, at the expense of plausibility, and if I had my way, virtually all attacks inside stations would be both suicidal and very difficult to effect more than once (cause the bounty would never go away and docking permission would never again be granted...to the extent that the station would close those doors they have on the slot that we never see any more and just gun down wanted or unresolved targets to prevent entry), especially in higher security areas.
However, as long as the C&P system remains as convenience oriented as it is, and as long as the substantial fraction of the player base thinks they should be quickly forgiven for accidental offenses remain a substantial fraction, these absurd rules of engagement are going to remain. Ultimately, C&P can either be effective, or it can be forgiving. Since players are generally idiots and would throw a fit if it wasn't forgiving, I don't ever expect it to be effective.
If Frontier comes out and says that abusing the station RoE in this manner is an exploit, as they have with willful disconnections, and starts actually enforcing their rules, then such things may be curtailed without dramatic changes to the underlying mechanisms, but as I regularly see confirmed (even if I limit myself to examples where there are multiple instances with the CMDR in question admitting to cheating) willful disconnectors flying about in Open, happily using assets they should never have obtained or retained, I don't have much hope for this either.
So, I'm left doing the only thing I find practical...assume that my CMDR has to be wholly responsible for his own safety at all times.
Hi Malaus
As you might have noticed, there's quite a bit of internet testosterone in the PvP section which explains the hip thrusting you have been experiencing. They don't take kindly to these here questions. And they be having a point that this line of inquiry doesn't really belong in this forum section or thread. Since you're rather new to the forums, it might have escaped your attention.
I'm sure you'll understand. Cheers mate, and enjoy your time here.
Ziggy one hell of a nice guy Stardust.
Internet testosterone? That's new!
The point is that a self confessed cheat and exploiter has nothing to contribute in a terms of skill, and claiming to have influenced FDEV to help balance the game is to miss that you have in fact been wasting their time.
If FDEV didn't spend time chasing their own tails trying to stop people like you from doing whatever the currently fashionable skillfree easy kill method is, they might have introduced some of the PVP mechanics "PVP'ers" like you claim to want.
I am not sure what exploits and cheats you are referring to. But as of today the only officially claimed by FDEV cheat/exploit in the game is task killing, by default anything else, even if it es you off, is a perfectly valid game mechanic. You will have to adjust your expectations.
Back in the 'good ol' wild west there was an unwritten rule used by Gunfighters and Common folks alike...it was called 'Dead is Dead'
I think that ED should just hit the HARDCORE button... when you croak you start again, that sorts out the bravado. [yesnod]
Hey FD... you could sell BONUS start up lives for a premium..... hmmmm yes!
just kiddin you guys, you criminals are so sensitive!
I think that ED should just hit the HARDCORE button... when you croak you start again, that sorts out the bravado. [yesnod]
Hey FD... you could sell BONUS start up lives for a premium..... hmmmm yes!
just kiddin you guys, you criminals are so sensitive!
Oh you are referring to the engineer exploits 4 months ago? Yes it was a cheat, and everyone were punished severely, modules were taken away, some were banned. 13th legion leader was among them, he was banned and as a result stepped down.
I think its time to get over this.
I disagree, I'm a legit player and I never knowingly play games with cheats digital or otherwise. FDEV's biggest failure has been an unwillingness to play whack-a-cheat with the banhammer, then publicize it for the amusement of the legit playerbase.
The engineer cheats should all have been perma-banned, or at least dumped forever into the shadow server where they can only play with their own kind and can't effect the BGS.
Still on the bright side blocking them is extremely effective on an individual basis.
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lol well whoopdee do!. stuff they never should have had in the 1st place was taken and a small handful got short term bans (allegedly)
that is not severe punishment, that is zero punishment but just having stolen toys taken back....... they should have been put back to harmless in a sidey imo...... but it is by the by, like you say that ship has sailed.. but like i will not play cards with a player who i know has cheated in the past, i will not knowingly play with MP gamers who i know have cheated as well...................
at the very least they should have retrospectively had every level 1 roll converted in cost to a level 5 roll and not allowed any more interaction with the engineers till their debt had been paid.. that would have been 100% fair imo. (those who didnt exploit much dont get effected too much, those who went full god mod, well........ LOL
PS again such double standards.... i see KOS lists still exist with players who have clogged ages ago..... isnt it time PvPers got over clogging?
the fact that the same players who did this are happy to call me a cheat, or coward and a carebear is frankly... vile!.
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