Why the hate for playing in open?

[Han Zulu]

No one hates you. Hate the haters.

But if you hate the haters, then you're a hater too, and you will hate yourself...

 

[Han Zulu]

Cmdr Harry Potter has gone real quiet of late. But yes he IS hated not because he plays in open but because he is a complete %$^&

If the game play was more of how pirating seems to be done in shows/movies, it's 1) take out shields, weapons, and engines, 2) demand cargo or boarding ship, 3) steal and leave.

Never is it a good thing to kill the target, because there's no money in it (unless you want to make an example of someone, but it rarely works in a massive game like this).

And of course, killing is necessary for bounty hunting, but that's another issue.

 

[Curvemn17]

If the game play was more of how pirating seems to be done in shows/movies, it's 1) take out shields, weapons, and engines, 2) demand cargo or boarding ship, 3) steal and leave.

Never is it a good thing to kill the target, because there's no money in it (unless you want to make an example of someone, but it rarely works in a massive game like this).

And of course, killing is necessary for bounty hunting, but that's another issue.

Just spent 2 hours pirating with a fellow wing member in a system rich in diamonds. We pirate NPCs and made around 5m a piece. Only once did we kill the NPC and that was by accident with my fighter. It was really a lot of fun and makes for some interesting dynamics. Especially with the bounty I currently have left from the skimmer missions earlier this week. I am excited about what I saw in regard to c/p today by semarco and I hope they are able to introduce this in a way that doesn't negatively impact true pirating of that sense.

 

[Lngjohnsilver1]

Never is it a good thing to kill the target, because there's no money in it .

Some ppl simply dont care about money - it isnt an RPG thing .. just an online abuse thing. But its darn hard to police either effectively or automatically...

 

[DocDelicious]

So, I've gotta disagree with the exploration nonsense.

I'm primarily an explorer. If I was worried about a paycheck I wouldn't be an explorer. No amount of credits lost would ever force me into Solo or PG because that's not what exploration is about.

On top of that you lose out on so much random player interaction. One of the guys I fly with fairly frequently I met randomly out in the black (like 1:1mil odds). He's French, and this is his first experience with the series. We talk all the time now, and meet up whenever we're both in the bubble. That never would have happened if I weren't in Open.

 

[Curvemn17]

So, I've gotta disagree with the exploration nonsense.

I'm primarily an explorer. If I was worried about a paycheck I wouldn't be an explorer. No amount of credits lost would ever force me into Solo or PG because that's not what exploration is about.

On top of that you lose out on so much random player interaction. One of the guys I fly with fairly frequently I met randomly out in the black (like 1:1mil odds). He's French, and this is his first experience with the series. We talk all the time now, and meet up whenever we're both in the bubble. That never would have happened if I weren't in Open.

That's awesome to hear. I had a similar interaction with a guy I regularly fly with now as well. I do believe limiting oneself from open limits the game but to each their own and their own enjoyment. I think this is exactly why I like open because of what you described.

 

[phong]

Well looking at the game and the expanse with which the human race has expanded through it doesn't limiting your interaction with those in the game cut back against that expansion? .

[alien].??

 

[Zeeman]

Sure, but for those who didn't read the books, it was a very short event of nothing. Cool, some famous person from some books are going to fly through space... oh, dead... ok.


Wow. That's messed up. Maybe HP was hired to kill her as well?


Well, I still have a hard time seeing this single one time event that required not only to have read a couple of books, time the event, spend one hour in open in the wrong instance (or if lucky in the same), and then it's just over really is a good argument to why people should stop playing Solo and turn to Open. Unless, of course, this wasn't a single event but something ongoing, repeated, where more chances to participate was offered, and such. Anyone why played Solo every hour of the day could have joined then in open for 1 hour and then gone back to solo and never looked back. So it's really not a good argument to why people should play open, again, unless this was something that would continue to be available.

Perhaps that's another kind of Buckyball racing. Someone arranging a "mysterious delivery" from point a to b, and people sign up to protect, and other people try to infiltrate. Then perhaps it would be more interesting, but the game engine doesn't have to change for this happen. This is up to the player community to arrange then. Perhaps some of the famous griefers could be arranging it?


I'm planning to, but I'm not sure reading the books would make me play in Open more...?

The only thing the Salome event taught me was that you get more from watching the Youtube than participating.

The way I still see it is that Open is just a form of a higher difficulty level. Solo is easy mode. PG is nice PvE mode. Open is bad-a** mode.

Nope - reading the books won't make you play open more, not anymore, anyway, it's just entertaining, and has some interesting little bits of lore.

The thing about the Salomé event is, that it was a first time attempt to try and draw a lot of people into a story. A valiant enough effort, but I think everyone learned something, and hopefully those lessons will help with any such future event.

Z...

 

[Han Zulu]

Nope - reading the books won't make you play open more, not anymore, anyway, it's just entertaining, and has some interesting little bits of lore.

Agree.

The thing about the Salomé event is, that it was a first time attempt to try and draw a lot of people into a story. A valiant enough effort, but I think everyone learned something, and hopefully those lessons will help with any such future event.

Z...

More of these events would be awesome, but I still think that if they all ended the same way as Salome, no one would be impressed.

 

[Han Zulu]

I'm primarily an explorer. If I was worried about a paycheck I wouldn't be an explorer. No amount of credits lost would ever force me into Solo or PG because that's not what exploration is about.

It's not just the money, but the name on the virgin discoveries. I have a bunch of black holes, neutron stars, terraforming candidates, etc. Those are all exciting to have flagged in the system with your name tag. But you only get it if you go back to a station and turn in your discoveries.

On top of that you lose out on so much random player interaction. One of the guys I fly with fairly frequently I met randomly out in the black (like 1:1mil odds). He's French, and this is his first experience with the series. We talk all the time now, and meet up whenever we're both in the bubble. That never would have happened if I weren't in Open.

And that's where I disagree with you. I don't lose out anything on random player interaction. I've tried it, and it doesn't do anything for me. Actually, I'm a little annoyed by it when I do play in Open. Even more so if I know that players in Open consider my views "nonsense." It makes me less interested in interaction with them.

 

[Bummer]

Well to refresh your memory the comment you quoted was in jest.

Oh my, did I fail to qoute the "jk lol" at the end of your comment?

Nope. There wasn't one. In fact, your comment fit in perfectly with the rest of the thread in which you posted it. That thread began as a comment on pirating NPCs and wound up a discussion of how to engage in PvP piracy. One guy even said he had to kill some of his reluctant and uncooperative victims in order to be taken seriously. No jokes were evident. Perhaps we need another color? A shooting forum I frequent uses purple for sarcasm since it doesn't come over well in a text based medium. Perhaps blue when it's a joke so someone other than oneself will know. At least when it really is a joke.

However, I don't think anywhere I have said would prefer to murder ethically? I'm not sure how that's even a thing.

I don't disagree with the latter part of that comment.

Personally I've decided at the moment to take a more criminal with morals based approach. I started up the Black Void Syndicate on Inara and we have a few players. I really just wanted to operate outside of the confines and structures of the establishment. Answer to no one, but at the same time why kill other players needlessly? That's what I mean by having morals, pirate sure but kill for sport? No.

I will not hand over cargo. Period. I don't do trade for the sake of trade. As such all the cargo I carry belongs to someone else. They have merely entrusted it to me for delivery. It is not mine to give. As a result I'm going to fight to the very end no matter the outcome. When you speak of stealing morally (whatever in the galaxy that is) you are speaking of murder. At least as far as the activity relates to me.

My play style has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Simply put and I think you can plainly see it in this thread alone some have a rather pent up animosity for open. I was simply wondering what had led to that animosity. As you can see from a few posts down one poster is upset the topic was brought up again, to which I have already made a comment on earlier on this thread to answer that question as they weren't the first. Mentioning playing in open stirs up a lot of feelings and it seems to be one of the more decisive topics. For someone who hasn't played any of the other Elites and was introduced to this game on PS4 it's natural to wonder why this decisiveness and attitude exists in the first place.

The Black Void Syndicate suggests that the innocent eye batting is just a ruse. It might also help explain why many people have such a strong aversion to open.

Thanks for the verbal scolding on what you believe my behavior to be.

It was textual, and more of a learning opportunity if you'll give it some thought.

Whether people play in open or solo is of no concern to me.

Yet you asked just as if it was.

Would I rather them play in open? Sure, I believe it helps the games staying powe, especially on the PS4. Plus, in my opinion it allows for more variation in game play activities and incidents that take place. Simply put games have moved away from the play by yourself model and the games that have the staying power that last longer tend to have a better more inclusive multiplayer aspect. I love playing this game and would hate to see it impacted because it didn't have the support it needed from the player base. I doubt very much that would happen on PC, but sales on PS4 were below expectations and that could have an impact down the road.

Interesting argument. If we don't play in open and subject ourselves to the excesses of the bad children Frontier will shut down ED.

Right.

 

[Curvemn17]

Oh my, did I fail to qoute the "jk lol" at the end of your comment?

Nope. There wasn't one. In fact, your comment fit in perfectly with the rest of the thread in which you posted it. That thread began as a comment on pirating NPCs and wound up a discussion of how to engage in PvP piracy. One guy even said he had to kill some of his reluctant and uncooperative victims in order to be taken seriously. No jokes were evident. Perhaps we need another color? A shooting forum I frequent uses purple for sarcasm since it doesn't come over well in a text based medium. Perhaps blue when it's a joke so someone other than oneself will know. At least when it really is a joke.



I don't disagree with the latter part of that comment.



I will not hand over cargo. Period. I don't do trade for the sake of trade. As such all the cargo I carry belongs to someone else. They have merely entrusted it to me for delivery. It is not mine to give. As a result I'm going to fight to the very end no matter the outcome. When you speak of stealing morally (whatever in the galaxy that is) you are speaking of murder. At least as far as the activity relates to me.



The Black Void Syndicate suggests that the innocent eye batting is just a ruse. It might also help explain why many people have such a strong aversion to open.



It was textual, and more of a learning opportunity if you'll give it some thought.



Yet you asked just as if it was.



Interesting argument. If we don't play in open and subject ourselves to the excesses of the bad children Frontier will shut down ED.

Right.

In all your attempts to educate me whether it be on this post or the piracy one all I've come away with is it must be an interesting life in your kindergarten world of black and white. It might help as you put it to give it some thought and it might help you to broaden your perspective as well. If you inferred from my questioning about the animosity for open about whether or not it is important to me if people play open then that assumption is on you. While I do enjoy open and in my opinion the game is more geared towards getting players to play in open and fully expand their galaxy, that doesn't mean that I think everyone should play open.

Also, to put to bed your apparent disdain for he direction of the piracy thread went, as you can see with this thread the poster has little control over which direction a thread goes. I was not the one who brought up pvp piracy. Did I find it interesting what thet were talking about? Sure. Seems interesting enough. Do I condone the killing of other players that don't comply? No, I get it tho cuz I don't live in a kindergarten world, I grew up.

As for my statement about open on the PS4 that has to do with how consoles work in general. More times than not ED on the console is going to be introduced to a whole group of potential players that have never heard of/nor played any of the elites franchise. If you fail to understand what kind of impact multiplayer has on a console then you truly haven't played on a console and are simply trolling. MP is the lifeblood of games on consoles for better or worse. This doesn't mean I'm a fan of that mentality, but doesn't mean I can't see what's going on around me. Sales on PS4 were low and being a PS4 member I would prefer it doesn't become an after thought. Am I suggesting it would die for all platforms? No. But if there isn't enough support what reason does FD have to sink more time into their PS4 version, bug fixing etc?

But in your infinite wisdom I'm sure you have already realized all this haven't you?

 

[Old Duck]

MP is the lifeblood of games on consoles for better or worse.

I guess that means AC: Origins is bound to fail. Just like the Uncharted series and Horizons: Zero Dawn and Skyrim and all other single-games....

ps - I am a console gamer.

 

[Curvemn17]

I guess that means AC: Origins is bound to fail. Just like the Uncharted series and Horizons: Zero Dawn and Skyrim and all other single-games....

ps - I am a console gamer.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. However, look at those games you just stated. How many DLC has horizon launched in this year since it came out? How many games in 5 years have AC or Uncharted launched? ED has a 10 year life span, the games that stick around like that offer more than just single player or if you are a single player game you have some big update each quarter for download. I'm not disenfranchised at all with ED, far from it, so please don't take it that way. I'm not looking to offend you about whether you are a console gamer or not. Was it you who mentioned in the 4K for Xbox thread about the attention the PS4 would get? Maybe it was stormy, either way those are valid.

 

[Curvemn17]

I'm not suggesting a pvp type setting but pve is what will draw in the casual PS4 gamer that has never heard of ED.

 

[Curvemn17]

Oh my, did I fail to qoute the "jk lol" at the end of your comment?

Nope. There wasn't one. In fact, your comment fit in perfectly with the rest of the thread in which you posted it. That thread began as a comment on pirating NPCs and wound up a discussion of how to engage in PvP piracy. One guy even said he had to kill some of his reluctant and uncooperative victims in order to be taken seriously. No jokes were evident. Perhaps we need another color? A shooting forum I frequent uses purple for sarcasm since it doesn't come over well in a text based medium. Perhaps blue when it's a joke so someone other than oneself will know. At least when it really is a joke.



I don't disagree with the latter part of that comment.



I will not hand over cargo. Period. I don't do trade for the sake of trade. As such all the cargo I carry belongs to someone else. They have merely entrusted it to me for delivery. It is not mine to give. As a result I'm going to fight to the very end no matter the outcome. When you speak of stealing morally (whatever in the galaxy that is) you are speaking of murder. At least as far as the activity relates to me.



The Black Void Syndicate suggests that the innocent eye batting is just a ruse. It might also help explain why many people have such a strong aversion to open.



It was textual, and more of a learning opportunity if you'll give it some thought.



Yet you asked just as if it was.



Interesting argument. If we don't play in open and subject ourselves to the excesses of the bad children Frontier will shut down ED.

Right.

One more question, in your infinite wisdom how do you respond when an NPC pirates your ship? Do you send a ship to ship message stating in self righteous terms how what they are doing is wrong and by stealing your cargo they are stealing your life? Do you demand they blow you up because it's the same thing? I ask because I wonder how that differs from a player that would pirate you in the same manner? Should ED eliminate the pirate and bounty hunter aspect of the game all together then? Maybe this should just be a space trucker game..( this last line is pure sarcasm with a gin of truth)

 

[krylite]

I've learned to live with open. Just that you can't leave your ship unattended at a popular system undocked, or even terrain landed because there is often a chance some griefer bushwacker is going to wreck your ship for the lulz.

 

[Han Zulu]

I've learned to live with open. Just that you can't leave your ship unattended at a popular system undocked, or even terrain landed because there is often a chance some griefer bushwacker is going to wreck your ship for the lulz.

Reminds me of something I did in Open once.

It was during a CG. Was taking my wares to the station, which was a small one. Parked my python. Sold my cargo. All good, but then I decided to go and get a coffee. While the game was running.

I wasn't attacked or anything, but other players started to message me, being that I didn't leave, because I was taking up a slot at the station!!!

I felt so bad. So guilty, when I saw those messages, and it was yet another reason I went to solo.

 

[Drannon]

I enjoy Open Play for the opportunity to interact with other CMDRs and hopefully do a little networking. But I don't expect or demand everyone to hop over to Open for my pleasure. It's their $60. If Solo or Private are what they enjoy then I wish them the best. Them not playing Open hasn't ruined my experience in the slightest. In the 4 or so days I've started playing on PS4 (I used to play on PC) my history list has filled with other CMDRs, and not a single one was hostile. One shot across my bow every time I entered or exited a station, but I'm in a Conda and a direct hit would have likely peeved local security, so I wasn't worried about it.

 

[Curvemn17]

I enjoy Open Play for the opportunity to interact with other CMDRs and hopefully do a little networking. But I don't expect or demand everyone to hop over to Open for my pleasure. It's their $60. If Solo or Private are what they enjoy then I wish them the best. Them not playing Open hasn't ruined my experience in the slightest. In the 4 or so days I've started playing on PS4 (I used to play on PC) my history list has filled with other CMDRs, and not a single one was hostile. One shot across my bow every time I entered or exited a station, but I'm in a Conda and a direct hit would have likely peeved local security, so I wasn't worried about it.

Welcome to PS4 community then. I agree with what you're saying the ability to network and meet other commanders is the best part of open. As for whether one should play one or the other I don't think anyone is advocating on the thread for that. Most are just discussing their opinions of the modes and the original premise was why does it seem that some have such disdain and animosity for open play. I hope to see ya out there!