Modes Elite Dangerous PvE vs PvP and who needs a Solo play if you had PvE server

[Riverside]

The last page or so has been discussing a trust issue, which is outside the devs control. Even if you trust another player completely they can still make mistakes, I don't see how this moves the conversation on at all.

I've been in the escort role, like a RL security guard it's 98% boring 1% huge pressure, 1% exciting. The escort has to be lucky every time, the attacker only has to be lucky once. It's fundamentally unbalanced, and personally I'd take my chances alone in SC if it was well populated with other traders, where I only need to be a less inviting target than the next trader.

 

[Jockey79]

So naive [heart]

The greatest operation in the history of the game
Months of preparation
[haha]

Those cheat modules didn't roll themselves you know

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Those cheat modules didn't roll themselves you know

Like it would make any difference, carebears were massacred before there was any cheated modules to begin with, even before the engineers, so believe me, the cheated modules only matter where there are 2 combat ships fighting, not clubbing seals like Salome.

 

[Stigbob]

Like it would make any difference, carebears were massacred before there was any cheated modules to begin with, even before the engineers, so believe me, the cheated modules only matter where there are 2 combat ships fighting, not clubbing seals like Salome.

So do you also condone combat logging under the same circumstances ?.

 

[Han Zulu]

I've been in the escort role, like a RL security guard it's 98% boring 1% huge pressure, 1% exciting. The escort has to be lucky every time, the attacker only has to be lucky once.

That's basically the problem. Protection wing is still high risk and very little reward for all parties except the attackers.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

So do you also condone combat logging under the same circumstances ?.

Comparing cheated modules and combat logging, cheated modules is a worse exploit IMO, the thing is FDEV punishes combat loggers regardless (by punishes I mean account warning etc, not an action taken), so for them logging is harsher offence, besides the cheated modules were removed so we have no issue anymore. No excuse to combat log.

 

[Stigbob]

Comparing cheated modules and combat logging, cheated modules is a worse exploit IMO, the thing is FDEV punishes combat loggers regardless (by punishes I mean account warning etc, not an action taken), so for them logging is harsher offence, besides the cheated modules were removed so we have no issue anymore. No excuse to combat log.

Cheats cheat, that's what sets them apart from legit players. Anyone who had dodgy modules removed will no doubt clog at the drop of a hat.

 

[Han Zulu]

Like it would make any difference, carebears were massacred before there was any cheated modules to begin with, ...

That knowledge will for sure bring in more carebears into open to be massacred.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Cheats cheat, that's what sets them apart from legit players. Anyone who had dodgy modules removed will no doubt clog at the drop of a hat.

They will be named and shamed, there is a specific sub reddit for loggers.

 

[Robert Maynard]

That knowledge will for sure bring in more carebears into open to be massacred.

.... especially with trust issues - how sure could they be that their escorts would not get bored and simply destroy them (or had not planned to do so all along....)?

 

[Han Zulu]

.... especially with trust issues - how sure could they be that their escorts would not get bored and simply destroy them (or had not planned to do so all along....)?

Exactly. I think this discussion has proven that it won't work. And with comments like carebears being slaughtered in Open before Engineering, doesn't sound attractive. And, I thought there were not slaughtering in Open, but everyone is nice, kind, and helpful? Why is it in every single discussion about Open v Solo it sounds like the story of the wolf having the pigs over for dinner? Trust me, I won't eat you. Wolves never eat pigs, I promise. We're just having you over for a snack! And if you're nervous about it, then hire some of my wolf friends to protect you. Heck, they can come over for dinner as well, and bring some of your pig friends as well. And we'll have a great party.

 

[Stigbob]

They will be named and shamed, there is a specific sub reddit for loggers.

Yes a list of players to shoot at who are known to combat log when shot at is a fantastic plan with no obvious glaring hole in it.

 

[Jockey79]

They will be named and shamed, there is a specific sub reddit for loggers.

It's nothing more than a PvP community witch hunt by people too thick to figure out the difference between a menu logout, possible technical problems and an actual combat log.
Which is why Frontier collect their own data on someones logout habbits to judge if it is a combat log or not.

Also explains why most (if not all) of the people on it are still playing the game - no offence committed, no action needed.

Yes a list of players to shoot at who are known to combat log when shot at is a fantastic plan with no obvious glaring hole in it.

I'd love to rep you again, but it wont let me.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

It's nothing more than a PvP community witch hunt by people too thick to figure out the difference between a menu logout, possible technical problems and an actual combat log.
Which is why Frontier collect their own data on someones logout habbits to judge if it is a combat log or not.

Also explains why most (if not all) of the people on it are still playing the game - no offence committed, no action needed.



I'd love to rep you again, but it wont let me.

Menu loggers are there as well, its considered the same, as for disconnects, you dont get magically disconnected when your hull is 10% or as soon as you were intredicted.

Yes a list of players to shoot at who are known to combat log when shot at is a fantastic plan with no obvious glaring hole in it.

No, it is intended for shaming mostly not for KOS list.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

No, it is intended for shaming mostly not for KOS list.

My guess is those who do it don't feel ashamed. I'm sure many who do it are not even aware there is such a list so not even aware they are meant to be ashamed. I'm sure many do not even know how upset they make some people, they might never even read the forums. They might not be aware there is anything wrong with what they are doing.

So, i the purpose is to shame people, i'm not sure how effective it really is.

 

[Darkfyre99]

I'd love to rep you again, but it wont let me.

Got you covered.

 

[Jockey79]

Menu loggers are there as well, its considered the same,

So despite Frontier saying a menu logout is legit, they are reporting it as combat logging.

Reminds me of something....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolradio/subjects/english/aesops_fables/33-40/boy_who_cried_wolf

See if people want respect, they need to give respect.
And calling someone a combat logger when they left the game within the rules - isn't just disrespectful, it's also slander.

And you wonder why people play Solo / PG and don't want anything to do with some of the PvP crowd (aka gank squads and newbie hunters).
Until your mindset / attitude towards other players changes, you'll only find fewer and fewer people wanting to interact with you.
And as Frontier made a PvE game with opt out PvP - you'll be waiting longer and longer for people to shoot at until all of you learn this lesson.

 

[Theodrid]

Menu loggers are there as well, its considered the same, as for disconnects, you dont get magically disconnected when your hull is 10% or as soon as you were intredicted.

In my opinion menu logging is cheesy and crap too, no doubt about it but you have to look at this from Frontier's POV too, they have decided that exit by menu, though cheesy, is okay. Now, imagine all the work Frontier have on with dealing with the report spam from some groups of PVP'ers regarding combat logging, some gropus/players are creating rods for their own backs by spam reporting everything. The instancing is flaky as hell in this game, we know it, Frontier know it, disconnects do happen - yes even at 10% hull, (though unlikely), and exits via menu should not be reported and yet all these things are reported as combat logging, one and the same.

Not only are some groups/players creating a 'can't see the wood for the trees' scenario for Frontier but to be honest, if I was in Frontier's position and the same old, same old kept spamming me with at least as many illegitimate reports as legitimate ones I would simply disregard a lot of them after a while, legit or not. Beyond the obvious, and I mean OBVIOUS patterns of behaviour the peer to peer nature of this game make it nigh on impossible to prove combat logging and thus be able to legally enforce bans for such. Some PVP folk could, y'know, stop making their job bloody harder by trying to pretend their 'rules' and need to see 'plodeys' overrides Frontier's rules - simply put, stop making Frontier's job harder unless you are 99% you were CL'd on by Frontier's definition and not your own.

 

[Jockey79]

Well would you look at that, some PvP'ers are getting organised.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/7eztt3/introducing_the_pvp_hub/

Looks like optional PvP just got a breath of fresh air.
It's only taken 3 years for this to happen, despite PvE'ers saying 3 years ago PvP'ers could do this.

Oh but that's right, the ones that frequent these threads are not looking for PvP - they are looking for PvF (Player V Fish).

But at least we can say Open PvP is alive and kicking

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Well would you look at that, some PvP'ers are getting organised.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/7eztt3/introducing_the_pvp_hub/

Looks like optional PvP just got a breath of fresh air.
It's only taken 3 years for this to happen, despite PvE'ers saying 3 years ago PvP'ers could do this.

Oh but that's right, the ones that frequent these threads are not looking for PvP - they are looking for PvF (Player V Fish).

But at least we can say Open PvP is alive and kicking

Its nothing but an organization on discord for getting into a wing, same old without any content.