The AI that got complaints in the past was the NPC pirates. They were really hard at times, but then they nerfed it and made it way too easy instead. Middle ground would be nice. This time, it's the security, so it should only be a problem if you're doing illegal stuff, but I'm not sure if the ATR will be responding to everything or only specific things..?
Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?
Well, one could have the ATR continue to pound a offending PvP player to dust every time they log in, until either the bounty expires or they run out of credits.
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Robert Maynard
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From Sandro's comments on the last Lave Radio webcast, it seems that Frontier are aware that time is a necessary component of some consequences.
There were also problems with loadouts, a bug with the plasma accelerator comes to mind, but there was also complaints and countercomplaints that the AI was doing things a human couldn't and being told that the AI was just utilizing their pips, weapons, and throttle better than the people were..but the people could do exactly what the AI was doing....for me...I just enjoyed the irony of the whole discussion....
Well, one could have the ATR continue to pound a offending PvP player to dust every time they log in, until either the bounty expires or they run out of credits.
If found in High Security systems, I would expect something severe to occur....particularly once the System Authority scan a ship...and call the Tactical Response team in....
I remember having some problems with mission targets during trade missions. I had a combat ship and could take them on, but for some reason, they could jump out, repair, and interdict me within 5-10 seconds, and not giving me enough time to even get close to the station to drop. And each interdiction was impossible to avoid. Tried many times, but they always won. And the constant interdiction kept on throwing me back away from the station as well, so I figured out some tricks to make it harder for them to interdict, "loop of shame" actually showed to be useful.
It was so bad that I stopped playing for a while. But then heard it was nerfed. Started playing and learned that it was too easy instead.
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What am I talking about, you ask?
Previously, you asked me a question.
You asked me "What's incorrect".
It was suggested to you priorbto that, that a PvP PG would resolve many issues you appear to be experiencing, including combat logging, because you could eject any player from a PG for combat logging.
To which, you said, "no need", because all of the benefits of a PG are available in Open.
Except, you were incorrect.
You can't boot players out of Open.
That's what I was talking about.
I don't know whether to be surprised that you weren't able to follow that simple discussion point.
And trust *me*. A combat logger does not care two hoots about being "shamed". No matter what they may tell you. Combat logging is a shameless act. They could not care less. Trying to insist that combat loggers *care* is utterly inconsistent and incoherent. If they cared they wouldn't combat log. I don't know why anyone would insist otherwise, because that's just contrary.
Whether you consider a PvP PG "against the spirit of the game" or not, the fact remains that a PvP PG would address many of the issues you say you care about.
Many players, including myself, consider seal clubbing in Open "lame and against the spirit of the game". For many of us, this very thread just represents an agenda from PvP hero's to cling to some inane idea about forcing more soft targets in Open mode. Use the word incentivise if you wish, it doesn't change the apparent agenda. Nothing we have heard persuades us otherwise.
Especially this KOS list. I mean, *really*? A KOS list of combat loggers? Tell us how you successful that idea is forecast to be.
Now analyse how this talk of a KOS helps with the agenda of getting more players into Open...
That's right. It doesn't help one bit.
If you are truly serious about attracting more players into Open from PG and Solo, none of the things you have written are remotely attractive.
Despite this, you'll find me in Open for another week, conducting and extending my own research... Sadly this week it will be between the hours of 0430 to 0530 UK due to work hours. I hear Eravate is a "hot spot", so I'll be based around there for a few days to observe Open...
Yours Aye
Mark H
For the 1000 time, noone cares if you play in solo, noone is forcing you to play in open. I am advocating for PP to be open only thats all. Not forcing you into anything.
As for a pvp pg, again there is no need, all loggers are named and shamed, and fdev should ban them from the game since they are breaking the TOS.
Imo its worse for them to be shamed then just kicked out of a PG
Also, I want an open world universe not some PG with selected few cmdrs. No and no. Dont need, you are free to make one since you seem to like it so much
I am telling you from first hand that it does bother them, because I did talk to a few. I dont understand why are you coming up with some hypothetical theories when I am telling you over and over based on my own expirience. How many players logged on you exactly?
KOS helps because it gives you a legit excuse to gank them (not that I need any).
Yet here you are trying to take content away from people in Solo and PGs to force them into open mode.
For the 2000th time, that's not how the game was designed. The mode system and content available in all the modes is the foundation of the game.
By locking content to one mode, you're forcing those who want that content to play that mode - so yes to are trying to force people into playing YOUR way, not theirs.
Frontier deal with genuine cheating how they see fit - they don't however listen to bitter revenge Reddit posts of fake info.
When pew-pews get so obviously salty and upset - it just encourages carebear saltlords to extract as much salt as possible for the lulz.
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Not really. If I see a wanted player, one of us is going to have a hefty repair bill or be facing a re-buy screen, but I see such so seldom that it's really not an issue. I usually do PvE but I do keep an eye out for other players as bounty hunting is part of my RP.
PP should be available from Solo - all modes are valid ways of playing the game. Any actions I take in solo can be counteracted by you playing in solo.
Cheers, Phos.
Or in any mode.
Really? Eravate is a hot spot?
Silly me, I've been conducting an open BGS attack in Wolfberg.
I've only seen three players so far, none of whom actually bothered me, so it seems like the PvP faction that calls that system home left nobody behind to guard it against Open attacks. I really expected better from the Smiling Dog Crew.
Really? Eravate is a hot spot?
Silly me, I've been conducting an open BGS attack in Wolfberg.
I've only seen three players so far, none of whom actually bothered me, so it seems like the PvP faction that calls that system home left nobody behind to guard it against Open attacks. I really expected better from the Smiling Dog Crew.
They've never defended their home system. As far as I'm aware they only had it to prove their point about being attacked from Solo/PGs.
They went through a phase of laying to join the Mobius Group, then forcing PvP on people in the group with surprise attacks.
When Mobius members got fed up, they battered SDCs home system with the BGS - then SDC cried foul on the forums, saying the mode system was to blame because they couldn't defend themselves from 30,000 player BGS attack.
It was funny, watching PvP'ers who lied and griefed others crying over not being able to defend themselves from the player base.
The irony was lost on them.
Not sure if the drama was in SOG 2 or 3, but it is still there to read.
Frontier had to start banning people for "Mode Invasion" in the end.
Don't give me ideas
Thats the only way 30000 rofdrnts can affect 20 SDC members, abusing the broken mode system, have 0 skills in PvP so they were being "tough" from a safespot. Big archievement.
"Forcing pvp" LOL.
I doubt even one PvPier cares about any BGS player groups.
You dont know what PP is yet you spewing this nonesence over and over.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Possibly not - however some players that prefer PvP do complain that Factions can be affected from all game modes....