PvP My experience with the PvP hub - a shout out and kudos

ALGOMATIC

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Again that's just your Opinion , and you think that way because of the game style you choose to play . i use a pack hound build with gimballed multi's and i think, and again only my opinion, P.A's with tlb is over powered and should be nerfed, even some of you calling it META. Only instead of crying cancer and saying they should be nerfed and completely removed, i find Awesome and creative ways to try and adapt against the builds that might potentially counter mine. That's the beautiful thing about engineering and elite dangerous... There is always a counter to a counter. That's what makes this game fun and challenging at times. Saying things like it should be "completely removed" is just plain immature and clearly demonstrates your one sided opinion. Perhaps you say this because its the counter to you build? judging by your comment, thats probably the case.

Dude, I got nothing personal against you or the 13th but premium ammo means grind to win. Basically for an hour of fight you need an hour to drive around the planet and shoot rocks. Its repetitive and boring when all you want is to fight and not compete who got to kill more rocks.

As for packhounds and seakers, they are completely counter for any hull or hybrid tank. Basically its an ultimate weapon against the federal ships except the vette.
The problem being is with rapid fire all it takes is reverse, hold the trigger and shoot 5 rounds of missiles/hounds WITHOUT EVEN POINTING AT THE ENEMY. Thats why I called for nurf. There is not much you can do against hounds except keep distance, but than its no longer a fight.
For the occasional seaker user (thx god not many use them) I need to sacrifice a utility module (the FAS has only 4 to begin with) that handicaps me in 95% of the fights where no missiles are used.
Its an unbalanced situation where a skill-less weapon dominates a fight.
 
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XD, your prob one of those guys that lost continually to premium ammo loadouts, and was to lazy to go farm some yourself. So the best possible solution is to cry about it until you think Fdev will do something about it.

I have never been killed by anyone using premium ammo, as far as I know. I died surprisingly fast to some pack hounds in beta once, but that's about it(and I was in an Asp).

I don't do organized PvP in ED because the implementation is not to my taste. I never get ganked, pirated PKed at all. Not sure why. It just doesn't happen.

Premium ammo is just one of the silly 'MMO collectible potions' that should not exist in a space shooter. Stuff like that belongs in the dungeons, not in space.
 
Respect, Jay! When you 13th Legion guys lose your cool you really lose it. Personally I don't see why you're making such a big deal about it; if a club has a set of rules they expect players to conform to, that's just the way it is. I actually rather like it, as long as it's evenly applied. Not having to put up with serial cloggers such as Herbrand is a good thing IMO. And if they put strictures on certain weapon load-outs such as premium ammo, who cares as long as everybody conforms?

In all honesty Jason this threads gone from interesting to pretty toxic. Herbrand must be driven out for saying clogging on a cheat is fair game, in a thread with a really high prevelance of 5-1 exploiters in it. Then there's people like you who quit the game months ago, yet hang around the forum tellling people how they should play.

It started well, but it's swiftly becoming an advert for avoiding open due to the players who call themselves PVP'ers.
 
This is an acceptable way to do it...and it might not be the only way..but I promise you if this was the way the majority of the PVP crowd would behave, there might be a lot more folks in Open.
There was a multi-page rant thread in Dangerous Discussion yesterday complaining about those horrendous griefers who sit quietly in stationary unarmed ships and don't interact with you in any way except for being in the same instance, and how if Frontier did something about them - ship destruction was suggested by multiple contributors as a fair punishment - you might see more people in Open.
 
GG boys great conversation tho, my intentions are not to stir things up, but to make the mods aware of whats going on behind the scenes of the pvp world.

So you think that's what is direly lacking is a moderator awareness of petty tiffs as a result of someone throwing a temper tantrum?

Calling it: Unrealjay is a 5th columnist PvEer.

This is an acceptable way to do it...and it might not be the only way..but I promise you if this was the way the majority of the PVP crowd would behave, there might be a lot more folks in Ope

The point was kind of that it's out of order to tell us how we should "behave". You should be capable of realising that outside of rulebreaking, such as task killing or true griefing (synonymous with harassment), any playstyle is that person's choice...or any argument we are "stopping you play your way" turns itself on its head.

Within the games, by all means get into character and damn them nasty murderers to hell and back. On the forum, have a little respect all around. Even AA manages ;)
 

ryan_m

Banned
In all honesty Jason this threads gone from interesting to pretty toxic. Herbrand must be driven out for saying clogging on a cheat is fair game, in a thread with a really high prevelance of 5-1 exploiters in it. Then there's people like you who quit the game months ago, yet hang around the forum tellling people how they should play.

It started well, but it's swiftly becoming an advert for avoiding open due to the players who call themselves PVP'ers.

If he were to say that combat logging against actual cheaters is the only time it's acceptable, he may have a leg to stand on, but instead he suggests doing it against nearly all "unwanted" PvP, regardless of whether they are using cheats.

As I've said 3-4 times now, it's our community, and people that encourage logging against legitimate PvP aren't welcome. If you consider that toxic, we don't care. It's pretty clear that there are a few people in here that are only participating in order to rile things up, and your comment is one of them. The 650 people in the PvP hub don't seem to have a problem with the rule set or the "toxicity", so maybe look inside yourself before accusing others of it.
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
The 5 v 1 exploit was dealt with more than 6 months ago. While it is a cheat, the fault mainly sticks with fdev who introduced an exploit, knew about it for over a year and only acted on it when Shady posted that video.

People will use the path with the least resistance if fdev let that path into the game, just like undermining in SOLO amirite?
 
The 5 v 1 exploit was dealt with more than 6 months ago. While it is a cheat, the fault mainly sticks with fdev who introduced an exploit, knew about it for over a year and only acted on it when Shady posted that video.

People will use the path with the least resistance if fdev let that path into the game, just like undermining in SOLO amirite?

Utter crap.
 
Utter crap.

Forgot what it means to elaborate? Or does flinging dung from the sidelines make you feel vindicated?

Come on, this started out a positive thread. And Algo has a point; you take one exploit that was being used by PvP and PvE player alike, bring it to the forefront with PvP connotations, and it's like the second coming. If I had to at least say anything positive about it, I've never seen FD release a fix for something so fast...
 
In all honesty Jason this threads gone from interesting to pretty toxic. Herbrand must be driven out for saying clogging on a cheat is fair game, in a thread with a really high prevelance of 5-1 exploiters in it. Then there's people like you who quit the game months ago, yet hang around the forum tellling people how they should play.

It started well, but it's swiftly becoming an advert for avoiding open due to the players who call themselves PVP'ers.

Well, I'm not trying to be toxic, so I'm sorry if it seems that way to you. I was actually just being supportive of a club that is well ran enough that even a mostly Mobius player like AA was having fun, both in the game and in the club's discord channel. Simple as that. And I was under the impression that being triple Elite with over 3000 hours game time would give me the right to voice my positive opinion on this topic, regardless of the fact that I'm on a brief sabbatical from the game. Personally, I like the fact that there are tight rules and guidelines in this club; it goes a long way to ensure fairness for all involved, and its actually made me feel like dusting off my gamepad in preparation of getting started again:)
 

ryan_m

Banned
Hit a nerve there? truth hurts when it works against you eh?

5-1 was absolutely an exploit, and it's not on the same plane of existence of solo undermining. There's no excusing it.

That being said, the actual effect of it was imperceptible to pretty much anyone that isn't a hardcore PvPer, but people refuse to acknowledge the possibility because it's easier to say "oh yeah I died because he had exploited modules" rather than "I died because I was flying a shieldless cutter at a combat CG in open."
 
If he were to say that combat logging against actual cheaters is the only time it's acceptable, he may have a leg to stand on, but instead he suggests doing it against nearly all "unwanted" PvP, regardless of whether they are using cheats.

As I've said 3-4 times now, it's our community, and people that encourage logging against legitimate PvP aren't welcome. If you consider that toxic, we don't care. It's pretty clear that there are a few people in here that are only participating in order to rile things up, and your comment is one of them. The 650 people in the PvP hub don't seem to have a problem with the rule set or the "toxicity", so maybe look inside yourself before accusing others of it.

Well, I'm not trying to be toxic, so I'm sorry if it seems that way to you. I was actually just being supportive of a club that is well ran enough that even a mostly Mobius player like AA was having fun, both in the game and in the club's discord channel. Simple as that. And I was under the impression that being triple Elite with over 3000 hours game time would give me the right to voice my positive opinion on this topic, regardless of the fact that I'm on a brief sabbatical from the game. Personally, I like the fact that there are tight rules and guidelines in this club; it goes a long way to ensure fairness for all involved, and its actually made me feel like dusting off my gamepad in preparation of getting started again:)

Fellas I'm not having a dig I'm just making a point, you want to specify how people should and shouldn't behave before they can join your club. That's fine, your club, your rules I fully support you and your rules in that.

Equally you should be supportive of solo or group players who exactly like you have certain criteria they want people to stick to as a condition for playing with them. There's no difference, the game and the forum would be nicer if we all did that.

The toxic stuff creeping in is the weeing contest going on between different PVP groups over what weapons are allowed, and singling Herbrand out who simply doesn't want to play with griefers in exactly the same way you don't want to play with cloggers.
 

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Fellas I'm not having a dig I'm just making a point, you want to specify how people should and shouldn't behave before they can join your club. That's fine, your club, your rules I fully support you and your rules in that.

Equally you should be supportive of solo or group players who exactly like you have certain criteria they want people to stick to as a condition for playing with them. There's no difference, the game and the forum would be nicer if we all did that.

The toxic stuff creeping in is the weeing contest going on between different PVP groups over what weapons are allowed, and singling Herbrand out who simply doesn't want to play with griefers in exactly the same way you don't want to play with cloggers.

Have to disagree with you here, Stigbob. There is a marked difference between defining a ruleset as a requirement for participation in an organized group (and everyone in the group agreeing on it), and...

Unfortunately I'm not on the ball this morning, and so I'm having trouble articulating my point. But I disagree.
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Forgot what it means to elaborate? Or does flinging dung from the sidelines make you feel vindicated?

Come on, this started out a positive thread. And Algo has a point; you take one exploit that was being used by PvP and PvE player alike, bring it to the forefront with PvP connotations, and it's like the second coming. If I had to at least say anything positive about it, I've never seen FD release a fix for something so fast...

They knew about it for a YEAR, they didnt do anything, and they would continue to ignore it if Shady wouldn't post that video, FDEV had no choice but to act upon this when the bug was finally exposed for the whole community and not just for a select few.
 

ryan_m

Banned
Fellas I'm not having a dig I'm just making a point, you want to specify how people should and shouldn't behave before they can join your club. That's fine, your club, your rules I fully support you and your rules in that.

Equally you should be supportive of solo or group players who exactly like you have certain criteria they want people to stick to as a condition for playing with them. There's no difference, the game and the forum would be nicer if we all did that.

The toxic stuff creeping in is the weeing contest going on between different PVP groups over what weapons are allowed, and singling Herbrand out who simply doesn't want to play with griefers in exactly the same way you don't want to play with cloggers.

I have no issue with people that want to play in solo or PG, that's their decision.

Herbrand encouraging cheating to avoid legitimate gameplay is actually toxic, and we don't want that in our community. That's our decision, and no one has a right to join the hub. We'll welcome people that will follow the rules, and being a combat logger or encouraging logging doesn't fit that rule set. He has openly admitted to both multiple times, so he clearly can't follow the rules of the group, so he was banned. If he'd like to be a part of it, he has to follow the same guidelines to get back into GCI.
 
The toxic stuff creeping in is the weeing contest going on between different PVP groups over what weapons are allowed, and singling Herbrand out who simply doesn't want to play with griefers in exactly the same way you don't want to play with cloggers.

Let's not compare shooting empty Asps in research sites to task killing in a multiplayer game, please…
Kisses, Stig
 
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