Basic question about ED is it MMO or Co-op single player.

[Maro-Val]

Guys please.. the term MMO was set long before ED was released. We very clearly know the definition of the MMO term. If elite belongs to something else, then pick or create something else. Just because the devs made a mistake or deliberately advertised this game as an MMO, doesnt mean that we should insult true MMO games by calling this one an MMO.
I would go as far as to agree that elite is one of a kind and we still dont know what it is and in what genre it belongs.. but we very well know what IT ISN'T.

 

[Sylveria]

Guys please.. the term MMO was set long before ED was released. We very clearly know the definition of the MMO term. If elite belongs to something else, then pick or create something else. Just because the devs made a mistake or deliberately advertised this game as an MMO, doesnt mean that we should insult true MMO games by calling this one an MMO.
I would go as far as to agree that elite is one of a kind and we still dont know what it is and in what genre it belongs.. but we very well know what IT ISN'T.

As I said before, why not simply allow it to set its own precedence? Why must it always be categorically defined as either/or?

 

[babelfisch]

I see. So you're basing your example purely on what your imagining I'm like is exactly the same as me basing my example on wrongly remembering a discussion in the past that we've had?

I think you're being somewhat silly over all this, considering I apologised specifically for misremembering in my second post

Sorry Goose, I was just making fun, thought that's clear.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Guys please.. the term MMO was set long before ED was released. We very clearly know the definition of the MMO term. If elite belongs to something else, then pick or create something else. Just because the devs made a mistake or deliberately advertised this game as an MMO, doesnt mean that we should insult true MMO games by calling this one an MMO.
I would go as far as to agree that elite is one of a kind and we still dont know what it is and in what genre it belongs.. but we very well know what IT ISN'T.

What would you call a true mmo game. World of Warcraft, world of tanks, Conan Exhiles, Arc Survival, Lord of the rings online, Mortal online, EVE online. There are very different types of MMO out there, ED is one of them and calling it an MMO is not insulting any other type of MMO either.

Maybe you should learn what MMO stands for.

 

[Han_Zen]

In one sense ED is more massive than many traditional MMOs. We all share the same game world in ED. In traditional set ups, you usually share the world with those on the same server.

Interaction is however limited to 'those in your instance'. Matchmaking keep the number of players in each instance down. This is a performance balancing act. Not a hard technical limit.
FD could put all player in the same system in the same instance(one for super cruise, one for each planet, one for each station and so on). This has been tested on Merope 5C. It works, but it doesn't work well.

If ED is full interaction between all player in the same mode, the game would either need to be:
- Server based with regions of the galaxy on different servers. This would be a huge, expensive update. Could also lead to long 'jump time' between severs. This would be worst in player dense regions where the number of systems per server is low.
- Improve the current P2P system enough to handle all players in the same place in on instance.
- Make a hybrid system where you run servers as P2P instance hosts, if the number of players in on place exceeds the soft limit.

An alternative is of course to accept the current limitations and ditch the current attempts at traditional MMO roles completely. Strengheten the multi-role, weaken the specialists and vent the MMO stuff out the airlock.

 

[Denneb]

I categorize Elite Dangerous as single payer co-op game. It's not a MMO (no matter how hard you want to call it that way) due to lack of MMO mechanics.

Actually, altering your first sentence a bit, I wouldn't consider it a game due to lack of mechanics in general.....though I still love and play its "finished" parts.

 

[Maro-Val]

As I said before, why not simply allow it to set its own precedence? Why must it always be categorically defined as either/or?

I honestly agree to both of your points. Problem is that frontier chose to describe their product using a term that was PRE-DEFINED and didnt respect what others have set about that definition. You can always re-set a definition but you have to do it by working hard and re-defining things higher not lower.
Using a term, that other companies created for gamers by hard work and PAYED to develop or buy kick- technology (dedicated servers), just to pump up the sales on your "different" product, is for me very lame to say the least and they should be ashamed.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I categorize Elite Dangerous as single payer co-op game. It's not a MMO (no matter how hard you want to call it that way) due to lack of MMO mechanics...

Rather you should ask:-

"Why does it matter?"

HA !
This will be my second thread later on

Queue anti-pvp, Solo is king thread in 3...2...1...

 

[UnhappyDev]

We very clearly know the definition of the MMO term.

I don't. (Serious question) Do you have a link to an official MMO standard? I've never seen one. I've always taken MMO as a very broad term describing a game world that allows interaction between a number of networked players. As such, I see ED as an MMO, as it offers this. We can argue about the quality of the implementation of course.

 

[Maro-Val]

What would you call a true mmo game. World of Warcraft, world of tanks, Conan Exhiles, Arc Survival, Lord of the rings online, Mortal online, EVE online. There are very different types of MMO out there, ED is one of them and calling it an MMO is not insulting any other type of MMO either.

Maybe you should learn what MMO stands for.

Oh yes it is insulting.

 

[Juniper]

It's a single-player game that you can also play with your mates.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I don't. (Serious question) Do you have a link to an official MMO standard? I've never seen one. I've always taken MMO as a very broad term describing a game world that allows interaction between a number of networked players. As such, I see ED as an MMO as it offers this. We can argue about the quality of the implementation of course.

Here you go, this is one definition of MMO:

MMO
noun
an online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=M.....69i57j0l5.3247j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's a single-player game that you can also play with your mates.

Or a multiplayer game that can be played on your own.

Oh yes it is insulting.

Not its not. Stop being silly. So who is being insulted and how. It is an MMO, there is no doubt about that.

 

[babelfisch]

I don't. (Serious question) Do you have a link to an official MMO standard? I've never seen one. I've always taken MMO as a very broad term describing a game world that allows interaction between a number of networked players. As such, I see ED as an MMO, as it offers this. We can argue about the quality of the implementation of course.

He doesn't know the definition of the term MMO either and probably didn't even play one before everything turned into WoW.

 

[Maro-Val]

I don't. (Serious question) Do you have a link to an official MMO standard? I've never seen one. I've always taken MMO as a very broad term describing a game world that allows interaction between a number of networked players. As such, I see ED as an MMO, as it offers this. We can argue about the quality of the implementation of course.

The first post has an explanation, i dont know what do you mean by official.
And i agree, if we break it down and discuss about the quality of implementation, then maybe it was meant to be an MMO in the end of the "10 year plan", but i cant tell so early.

 

[Sylveria]

Do you have a link to an official MMO standard? I've never seen one.
We can argue about the quality of the implementation of course.

I really think this is what it eventually comes down to- people arguing semantics over a term that's been used for generations which hasn't really been clearly defined in and of itself.

There's no "standard". Many games have been published that use the term- and although it may seem "clear" to some that it doesn't fit their definition, it may make perfect sense to others.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

The first post has an explanation, i dont know what do you mean by official.
And i agree, if we break it down and discuss about the quality of implementation, then maybe it was meant to be an MMO in the end of the "10 year plan", but i cant tell so early.

Yup, and ED ticks pretty much all of those boxes. Just because someone went fail next to it because they don't like the implementation doesn't change that it is an MMO.

 

[Maro-Val]

Not its not.

Oh yes it is.

 

[Juniper]

Or a multiplayer game that can be played on your own.

Mmm... less so I think.

All the game mechanics are PVE. The market, missions, passengers, exploration, and instanced locations etc exist (and are exactly the same) whether you play with others or not. You can achieve anything you like in the game on your own - you don't need other players to do it.

It's a single-player game IMO. Other players are optional.

 

[Maro-Val]

Yup, and ED ticks pretty much all of those boxes. Just because someone went fail next to it because they don't like the implementation doesn't change that it is an MMO.

It doesnt tick even 2 boxes. Stop being silly.

 

[Suvi Anwar]

It definitely isn't a MMO in the traditional sense, which was defined by WoW. On the other hand WoW wasn't the first MMO either so there is no reason the term can't be redefined.

Elite is a MMO because hundred thousands of players affect and shape the same galaxy.

I love how people throw WoW out there and call it "defining". Fact of the matter is that WoW was on the heels of the real defining MMO, EverQuest. However, EQ was not the first, nor the second, it was third with Meridian 59 being first and Ultima Online being second. EQ did however, "define" what MMO was.


MMO (Massively Multiplayer Online) is pretty easy to define, It is a game that has a persistent world that can support more than 64 players online simultaneously on the centralized game server/farm where players can interact with each other.

ED has a persistent world.
ED supports more than 64 players connected to Frontiers world servers.
ED is played only through a networked connection to the world servers.
ED players can interact with each other by chance or purposely.

By all accounts, ED is an MMO, it may even be considered as an MMORPG, since the player is role playing the CMDR out flying their ship and doing what ever business they feel like doing in the persistent world.

It doesn't get any more simple than that. And all you armchair developers out there that are going to try and argue your own definition of what an MMO is, don't bother, I helped define what the term MMO means back in the late 90s, I know what an MMO is.