The first post has a quote from Wikipedia, that fountain of knowledge. I was hoping for some defined technical standard but I guess there isn't one? We can argue about quality but ED does have the features of an MMO, at least by my understanding.
Basic question about ED is it MMO or Co-op single player.
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The first post has a quote from Wikipedia, that fountain of knowledge. I was hoping for some defined technical standard but I guess there isn't one? We can argue about quality but ED does have the features of an MMO, at least by my understanding.
Most of the things ED lacks for being an MMO are good things. MMOs are usually horribly boring, because they are to progress based.
I hope ED is balanced less towards 'XP' and more towards skill in the future. The multiplayer side should be improved, for the sake of interaction with other players. Not for the sake of building stuff together.
When it comes to combat strength, the game is already way to rewarding to those willing to do grind vs those with skill.
Give us tools to interact with each other and the game world, not to build empires.
I hope ED is balanced less towards 'XP' and more towards skill in the future. The multiplayer side should be improved, for the sake of interaction with other players. Not for the sake of building stuff together.
When it comes to combat strength, the game is already way to rewarding to those willing to do grind vs those with skill.
Give us tools to interact with each other and the game world, not to build empires.
MMOs also usually have a real bad combat system, a generic utterly ugly hud that looks like a cartoon, bad sound and graphics, a subscription and suck in general. I am happy that Elite redefines the genre
You can still do all of that in a group if you want to apart from passangers.
So what. I play Lord the rings online a MMORPG and do 99% of the content on my own. Doesn't stop it from being an MMO.
It's not a single player game. If it was we wouldn't be able to wing up or influence the BGS to effect others or do any group activities at all.
We are talking about multiplayer, not PvP vs PvE. So what if most activities are PvE, there is plenty that can be done together while doing PvE.
Fighting each other is not a requirement for multiplayer games.
Yes, and Elder Scrolls Online has many forced solo instances, including most of the mainline quest!
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Regardless of how you feel about it, its still player made content. And its an MMO. Grinding is to be expected (even here in E: D). Its all about how you as a player embrace it
For example, the Imperials used to dominate the server I used to play on in Galaxies specifically because they embraced the player made content, whereas the alliance types didnt. My LOTRO hobbit due to his excellent crafting was always in high demand within guilds, and when I pop back into Naval Action after being away for four months, I've usually got 3 or 4 requests from Clan leaders to come and pour my crafting skills into their enterprises.
Goose4291
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Ah right. Ignore me then, Ive been stuck in the modern equivalent of a labour office all day, with only my phone for company.
I also remember this being a similar point of contention to the vein of current discussion in regard to whether TESO was "truly an MMO"... LOL
It doesn't matter. But people claim that it's an MMO and use that assertion as a reason to excuse Elite's many failings, because "it's an MMO". Grind complaints? "It's an MMO". Lack of player agency? "It's an MMO". Shallow play mechanics, lack of persistent NPCs, paint-by-numbers mission design, crappy load times? "It's an MMO".
But yes, you're right. It's irrelevant. Elite's design choices and technical achievements can be evaluated completely on their own merits.
But Max still has a point. XYZ claimed that MMOs must have player created content and referred to games such as Life is Feudal and Conan, which are a relative new form of MMOs and in no way the definition of the genre. They are a sub genre.
ROFLMAO
Yeah no thanks, I'll just allow the game to be what it is. I have no fear of the "unknown" in what I cannot "categorize, label or stereotype" and feel perfectly OK with that.
That still has nothing to do with whether it is an MMO or not.
I loled at that 64 players connected. Well yes i agree and thanks for the details. I now know that even my web page can be called MMO. But i ll bite since you sound very professional and passionate (especially passionate). Give us a link of your helping defining the term and i seriously want more details for this matter.
Jesus woman, you were defining words in gaming in the late 90's? Daoumn, how old are you?
Thats if you are a woman ofc :x
Goose4291
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*shrugs*
But it does have to do with your initial question, to name what in WoW is player made content, and your counter that you dont regard player made content which I answered with as player made content, because you dont like it.
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I loled at that 64 players connected. Well yes i agree and thanks for the details. I now know that even my web page can be called MMO. But i ll bite since you sound very professional and passionate (especially passionate). Give us a link of your helping defining the term and i seriously want more details for this matter.
Jesus woman, you were defining words in gaming in the late 90's? Daoumn, how old are you?
Thats if you are a woman ofc :x
Actually Elite supports at least 18,039 players connected to the servers, it's probably way more and since their architecture is able to scale there should be no cap at all.
Ah, but that's not really a problem of the piracy mechanics themselves, more a wider issue with the economy in general. But there again, when pirating, i don't always go for the LTD ships, sometimes i like to take pot luck and just go after any trader. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad. Its quite realistic in that manner. Not every haul will have "tasty cargo".
And if you are not making a profit even on a poor pirate run you are doing something badly wrong. I hope you are not comparing piracy payout with some of the more extreme methods of earning. I'm happy if i can get a few hundred k from a non-LTD haul. If i really want credits from piracy, then sure, ill go for LTDs and earn millions from one hit.
By the same token, if i want mega credits from passenger missions, ill stack some one way economy missions, otherwise ill take a sightseeing one for the fun.
Don't see the problem with your first point. This is pretty much how piracy would be done. Find out where the big hauls are and go get them. Or just derp around interdicting anything and seeing what they have.
Missions... ah, yes, those where you have to grab something. I've never really thought of those as piracy missions. If i'm pirating i'm doing it for fun, not to work the BGS or get credits. Do they give good inf? Are you comparing payouts with some of the more insane paying missions, or are they in line with most missions?
Crime as playstyle for PvE... seems to work ok for me. I attack a trade ship in a system with law and i get wanted. If i hang around, the cops come in. And it can lead to problems docking. Seems ok.
Sure, i'd like to see better paying erm... pirate missions (i always thought of them differently, more like recovery operations than piracy... maybe its the wording on lawful facitons, not paid much attention to anarchy faction missions). The ones i've seen of those are usually like 6-8 tons. Maybe the anarchy missions have higher requirements? I'm just usually in very bad rep with that faction in my system since i'm always shooting their pirate ships.
And yeah, there are bugs (or at least i consider them bugs), but bugs not equal to intended game mechanics, which i think are ok. Although the reboot mechanism is very frustrating and wish FD would dial that down or introduce a mechanic to demand cargo or get them to submit. Even an Elite NPC once stripped of shields and damaged hull should get the message, submit or die.
I really don't understand where all this focus on credits comes from. Even those low paying missions generally are better than we had back in 1.0, and plain non-mission piracy can pay decently well. I've never lost money on a piracy run yet.
Because I don't regard crafting as player made content. So you craft a sword, how is that content. The crafting mechanic is not player made, even the sword is made from predefined materials and stats. There is nothing player made in it. And the sword you create in my eyes doesn't create content. But if that is what you call content, then engineers are exactly the same. There is no real difference apart from some graphics and the name of who does it. All you need to do is change engineer to you and it is no different to WoW or LOTRO.