Beyond 3.0 - C&P and Wing missions
- Thread starter Cmdr Eagleboy
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I wonder what new BGS manipulations partially completed/dropped wing missions will enable.
It would be 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 & 3.3 I am guessing.
Thats what I meant.
Yep, I'd say that is very likely.
Are you listening to the same stream I am? They talk about the prospect of adding cargo depots and progress bars to the single player missions, stating "not in 3.0" but "hopefully" as time goes on. At no point does anyone say anything about making all single player missions shareable and/or porting over the entire mission infrastructure to support multiplayer. You are inferring that. And I don't know on *what* basis you are making that inference, but it's probably just wishful thinking on your part.
And that wishful thinking is a good sign, because it means deep down you're wishing for the same things that I am, and you agree with me and just haven't realized it yet.
There, see? I can make baseless personal characterizations of you, too.
OK, sounds great. I WON'T insult people by calling them lazy. I'm reasonably confident I HAVEN'T insulted anyone by calling them lazy, so I'll just continue to do that.
But maybe you should read the post I was responding to?
"Nobody is going to want to wait for six months for anything, let alone that one small thing. The amount of extra work would not be worth the extra outrage and impatience from the rest of the community over such a delay and more doomsayers claiming the delay was due to "lazy devs" or "FDev doesn't care" or other such nonsense."
The poster seems to think that Frontier's primary basis for decision making should be fear of being called lazy. Well, shame on me for entertaining such a dumb argument *at all*, but my response amounts to: If you're afraid of being called lazy, do your best work and take however much time you need to do your best work anyway, because a delay just means people call you lazy for the duration of the delay, whereas releasing incomplete or substandard work means people will call you lazy forever.
But yeah I think it's dumb way to frame an argument anyway, so thanks for indirectly reminding me that some arguments don't deserve a response.
I think the idea here is that a lot of us are trying to change Frontier's mind on that.
Glad we're on the same page about ONE thing at least. This is the decision I would like Frontier to reconsider. This is the only thing I have been talking about.
I think also think all missions should be shareable too, even if it means you need to do a number of trips.
Sorry about that, thought you where talking about the mission reward choices. My mistake.
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Why would you want to change Frontier's mind on that? You want good wing missions. Developers make decisions with having tons of information you don't have available. This is stupid theory crafting. Please stop.
People would prefer to have all the missions shareable, I see no reason why they shouldn't be either. Please stop telling people what to do. Or are people not allowed to voice their opinion on the forums unless it follows exactly what frontier are doing. If so there is no point in having any opinions is there. Might as well be FDev robots without a mind.
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How does having all missions (of certain types) shareable prevent having good wing missions? :S
Because they named three and a half mission types: Cargo Transport, Assassination, and Massacre, plus maybe CZ Massacre, the devs couldn't remember off the top of their heads whether that last one was in or not. Given that there are many many other mission types in the game, we now know that most mission are not in that style. Do you want me to list all the other mission types for you or is this sufficient explanation?
Except you're making something up out of thin air and saying "hey you don't know it's NOT true!" Whereas what I am doing is pointing out that there is no basis for assuming that the devs are planning on doing a whole bunch of additional unannounced work on a feature after it's already launched.
OK.
There's probably a middle-ground, considering everyone seems to want the same thing here.
FDev obviously aren't going to change anything for Q1 given the technical limitations and the fact that wing missions haven't been tested for 'edge cases' yet, but I see no harm in the community keeping the pressure on them to get full wing mission compatibility into the game as soon as they can.
Because you are a bit obsessed with specific goal. Why all missions? Why just not let them go trough mission list and try to figure out what might work and might not? Why not let's say easier to share information - not just missions - between players so wing would see what's going on?
I understand passion but it feels you almost want to dictate how Adam should approach this. It is Adam and his teammates who does this, not you or me. They have their own reasonings and we can only suggest. Don't be overbearing. I am overbearing and I hate that thing in myself and when I see it - it is just not right.
Let's concentrate on giving good ideas what wing missions could look like, and of course testing. Let's them time to breathe and figure out.
It is big harm. Stop assuming demanding something is zero sum game. Way it is done drives lot of devs away from communicating with us.
No ASAP, no demands. Say that you want them and provide feedback on existing gameplay.
Demanding them is useless, you just shut down conversation because devs don't want to say no, but they don't want to promise anything either.
People really should drop this "I will stomp and demand and devs will listen and this is how it should be". It never works in real life. Why it would work here on Internet?
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All I really want to see is combat wing missions. We could have them be the end game for fully engineered ships. We would be taking on hihgly engineered npcs, perhaps a small wing of them, and we would have a bunch of clues etc. to find their location. We’d have to infiltrate several bases, perhaps make a deal with a shady character to get to our target quicker but would have our notoriety increase or perhaps see some other people come after us. It would be awesome 
I really hope that planetary assault missions become shareable, as they seem to be the obvious choice. I suspect they have done the easier ones first for this iteration and hopefully add in others in the next updates as they may take a bit longer to balance out.
All I really want to see is combat wing missions. We could have them be the end game for fully engineered ships. We would be taking on hihgly engineered npcs, perhaps a small wing of them, and we would have a bunch of clues etc. to find their location. We’d have to infiltrate several bases, perhaps make a deal with a shady character to get to our target quicker but would have our notoriety increase or perhaps see some other people come after us. It would be awesome
They specifically said there will be combat wing missions. No base infiltration, yet, but engineered NPC ships yes.