Isn't it about time FD stopped selling a non Horizons based Elite and merge the content?

[Freelancer Knux]

Selling this base game without horizons serves well as a paid trial too. Many people don't understand how to budget correctly and live week to week, so being able to buy just the base to see if they even like the game is still a valid option. I've had two friends now buy the game and horizons as it was on special as a pack but only played around 2 hours as its not really their kind of game, so they would've saved a couple bucks by just purchasing the base game and playing it to realise it isnt the game for them.

Honestly if people are confused when they purchase just the base game as to why they can't play all the content well that is on them.

 

[Miko]

Selling the main game as Horizons only from now on is fine, but I don't want FD to set the example that if you wait long enough you will get the updates for free.

This has nothing to do with free content. Are you paying attention to what I'm saying specifically. Current base gamers are at a disadvantage which I disagree with considering they are put in the same universe, however, I'm not talking about them getting Horizons for free. I'm speaking about newcomers purchasing Elite being sold as ONE package as opposed to what I said is purported to be the full game, which we know as the base game, being sold separately, which in my opinion can be confusing. I'll bet more than a few newcomers have purchased the base game only to try to enter the orbit of a planet and be met with the impression they just paid for a demo. It doesn't help that almost all the advertising for Elite now depicts horizons exclusive content.

Scrap the base game for newcomers and sell the horizons content as the new base game at the higher price was my precise point.

As for the point regarding Horizons being more demanding on computer systems versus the base game, this certainly doesn't apply to the console players. Recently the PSN store had it highlighted on sale FULL game, lovely low price, again, without horizons, so any newcomers might come along thinking about the wonderful footage they saw previously and then be left completely underwhelmed by the experience long before figuring out they must now purchase additional content, which as I say could harm the impression aswell as the sales.

 

[kofeyh]

This has nothing to do with free content. Are you paying attention to what I'm saying specifically.

If people fail basic reading comprehension, and don't understand the difference between the base game, and the expansion, given it's made extremely clear; then that's potentially on those people, not Frontier. People complaining that they didn't read before doing something is pretty common; that's not on the dev.

 

[Martian Successor]

This has nothing to do with free content. Are you paying attention to what I'm saying specifically. Current base gamers are at a disadvantage which I disagree with considering they are put in the same universe, however, I'm not talking about them getting Horizons for free. I'm speaking about newcomers purchasing Elite being sold as ONE package as opposed to what I said is purported to be the full game, which we know as the base game, being sold separately, which in my opinion can be confusing. I'll bet more than a few newcomers have purchased the base game only to try to enter the orbit of a planet and be met with the impression they just paid for a demo. It doesn't help that almost all the advertising for Elite now depicts horizons exclusive content.

Scrap the base game for newcomers and sell the horizons content as the new base game at the higher price was my precise point.

As for the point regarding Horizons being more demanding on computer systems versus the base game, this certainly doesn't apply to the console players. Recently the PSN store had it highlighted on sale FULL game, lovely low price, again, without horizons, so any newcomers might come along thinking about the wonderful footage they saw previously and then be left completely underwhelmed by the experience long before figuring out they must now purchase additional content, which as I say could harm the impression aswell as the sales.

A very basic level of research will easily reveal which parts of the game are present in vanilla and which in Horizons. If people can't be bothered to do some quick google-fu about the game they are interested in buying that's hardly FD's fault. Most modern gamers should be pretty used to checking out what's in the base game and what's in the expansion content/season pass.

 

[Spacecat]

They probably will....after beyond has been released and there's new paid content out.

 

[Stealthie]

The main thing that worries me is that FDev are going to end up releasing a series of paid DLC which are all totally independent of the base-game and will end-up tying themselves in knots trying to ensure that the core gameplay is compatible with all the DLC or they'll end up leaving the core gameplay really basic (as it currently is) to avoid creating conflicts with the DLC.

In the end, that's certain to end-up harming the game, either as a result of conflicts between DLC or as a result of keeping the core gameplay really basic in order to avoid those conflicts.

Seems like the best way to deal with that would be to make older DLC freely available every couple of years but I have a horrible feeling FDev will go with the 2nd option; that of keeping the core gameplay really basic instead. [sad]

 

[Miko]

Selling the main game as Horizons only from now on is fine, but I don't want FD to set the example that if you wait long enough you will get the updates for free.

The main thing that worries me is that FDev are going to end up releasing a series of paid DLC which are all totally independent of the base-game and will end-up tying themselves in knots trying to ensure that the core gameplay is compatible with all the DLC or they'll end up leaving the core gameplay really basic (as it currently is) to avoid creating conflicts with the DLC.

In the end, that's certain to end-up harming the game, either as a result of conflicts between DLC or as a result of keeping the core gameplay really basic in order to avoid those conflicts.

Seems like the best way to deal with that would be to make older DLC freely available every couple of years but I have a horrible feeling FDev will go with the 2nd option; that of keeping the core gameplay really basic instead. [sad]

You seem to get the point.

 

[MottiKhan]

I hope they don't combine the base game and Horizons. I log into the base game when I don't want a bunch of planetary scan mission clogging up the board.

 

[GraXXoR]

I hope they don't combine the base game and Horizons. I log into the base game when I don't want a bunch of planetary scan mission clogging up the board.

Brilliant idea. I never thought of that! If you don’t want the rigamorole of missions which include landing on a planet, choose the base game.

 

[Stealthie]

Brilliant idea. I never thought of that! If you don’t want the rigamorole of missions which include landing on a planet, choose the base game.

FWIW, it's also noticeably quicker during transitions too, for me at least.

When I'm exploring I have "travelling sessions" where I run the base-game 'cos it means I spend half the time in hyperspace.

 

[drakhyr]

FWIW, it's also noticeably quicker during transitions too, for me at least.

When I'm exploring I have "travelling sessions" where I run the base-game 'cos it means I spend half the time in hyperspace.

Intriguing if that's still a problem for you. There was a really noticeable difference during 2.2, but as far as I was concerned it got fixed with the arrival of 2.3, following which I am no longer seeing a big difference in witchspace times between the base game and Horizons.

 

[Cosmo]

Make the base game Horizons from now on and do the game a favour, noting my previous point... ��

The free Beyond updates encourage people who only have the base game to upgrade and buy the Horizons expansion. That's additional revenue for Frontier to develop Elite Dangerous further.

If they merge the base game with Horizons = no extra income from expansion sales.

So it only makes sense to merge the base game + Horizons after another major paid DLC launches (such as atmospheric landing and space legs).

If Horizons sells too little, even after a price drop then they should be merged.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Changing ways Horizons is sold is pointless and only cause online furror. Instead people can get both parts cheap - or upgrade - and done with. It is a win/win.

 

[AbsinthSvK]

stop selling original Elite Dangerous +1

dont forget they probably make Season 3 of Elite Dangerous called “Beyond”, and it would be another game version.

one player play original Elite Dangerous, other play Horizon and drives srv on planet and other two make wings missions in same system.
I know it would be free but still.

 

[Nagual]

2. The base game has much lower requirements than Horizons so can be played on the go or on a potato.

I reckon all computing power should be in potatoes.

 

[babelfisch]

1. You are wrong, they have always updated the base game, for free.
2. You find it strange that people buy the base game and don't have free access to all expansions. I find it strange that you assume they would develop all expansions without charging for it.
3. What happens to the people who only own the base game, do they get everything for free while others had to pay for it? Wouldn't that be unfair? How do you expect Frontier to pay their developers?

Sorry, your idea doesn't sound very compelling to me.

 

[babelfisch]

You seem to get the point.

Everyone gets your point, that's why everyone has valid arguments against it.

 

[Jex =TE=]

A very basic level of research will easily reveal which parts of the game are present in vanilla and which in Horizons. If people can't be bothered to do some quick google-fu about the game they are interested in buying that's hardly FD's fault. Most modern gamers should be pretty used to checking out what's in the base game and what's in the expansion content/season pass.

Well you have to work out whether buying the base game is good or bad for ED. Do you want to sell a tech demo and have people review it? I wonder what they would say, "Boring and nothing to do?"

So we could recognise that people won't read it and at the same time petition FDev to remake their trailers to actually depict the gameplay and not the lie they're selling or we can just blame it on people not reading and shoot ourselves in the foot and then do we complain when they make negative reviews because they "didn't play all the content"?

 

[Jex =TE=]

1. You are wrong, they have always updated the base game, for free.
2. You find it strange that people buy the base game and don't have free access to all expansions. I find it strange that you assume they would develop all expansions without charging for it.
3. What happens to the people who only own the base game, do they get everything for free while others had to pay for it? Wouldn't that be unfair? How do you expect Frontier to pay their developers?

Sorry, your idea doesn't sound very compelling to me.

You failed to ge tthe point as the post above proves.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Well you have to work out whether buying the base game is good or bad for ED. Do you want to sell a tech demo and have people review it? I wonder what they would say, "Boring and nothing to do?"

So we could recognise that people won't read it and at the same time petition FDev to remake their trailers to actually depict the gameplay and not the lie they're selling or we can just blame it on people not reading and shoot ourselves in the foot and then do we complain when they make negative reviews because they "didn't play all the content"?

The base game is far from a tech demo. When was the last time you played the base game?