Not an unfair assessment - with regard to this post/conversation. Because, really, there is no point... go back and read the third post in this thread, and actually click on the links provided, read the first post in each of those threads, then check the date of those posts/threads.
Where Elite Went Wrong, or: How NOT to craft a Sandbox Experience
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Not an unfair assessment - with regard to this post/conversation. Because, really, there is no point... go back and read the third post in this thread, and actually click on the links provided, read the first post in each of those threads, then check the date of those posts/threads.
Well, what you're saying is logical. I guess I'm guilty of some side-tracking the thread too.
No point in debating here further, I guess. Cheers.
No point in debating here further, I guess. Cheers.
It really can depend on the size of the sandbox (that's the clever bit) the bigger the longer it takes you to find nuffin' to do, and then just as a few people start to voice concerns, throw in a starfish or two - well hint that they're coming for awhile, show some pictures, do some wow i have seen the future stuff but cannot say nuffink and off they go again looking in the same sandbox all over again 
For somebody who hasn't even got the game installed, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with it.
I could understand if you are in it for the laughs, (like I am with SC) but you seem angry and frustrated.
Always remember. It's ONLY a game.
The OP actually had a valid point. Whereas your post is entirely useless.
ED is what it is. Either you enjoy it or you don't. That is all there is to it.
PS: DOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!
EDIT: To be slightly more constructive, and based off your post history, you're starting from the position of the game is bad, and then building a case from that.
I also could write an epic post, starting from the position of why the game is good, and why FD are doing a great job of developing it. But i won't, because i'm not a blind fanboy and see issues with the game. I just don't feel the need to harp on about the mistakes or sing FD's praises unduly.
As i said, either you like what FD are doing, or not. Just because they are not making what you want them to make, doesn't make it bad or wrong.
PS: DOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!
EDIT: To be slightly more constructive, and based off your post history, you're starting from the position of the game is bad, and then building a case from that.
I also could write an epic post, starting from the position of why the game is good, and why FD are doing a great job of developing it. But i won't, because i'm not a blind fanboy and see issues with the game. I just don't feel the need to harp on about the mistakes or sing FD's praises unduly.
As i said, either you like what FD are doing, or not. Just because they are not making what you want them to make, doesn't make it bad or wrong.
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But did the OP come up with any solutions? No. And Skyrim is just as grindy as the rest of them.
You still failed to adress, as much as the OP, the comment by many here that what he said is factually false, and that how he wants ED to be is not at all how Skyrim works. At all. You may agree with his opinion that ED needs more fun, but you cant agree with his point about how it should be more like Skyrim because it is factually false.
I know its normal to just blindly agree with everyone who vaguely holds the same general opinion, its common on every side of every debate. But it would be fun if people would at least acknowledge that arguments can be .
I wish I could go fishing aside one of the lakes on the moon of Sycondris VII. If this were a real sand box, I could do it. I could set up a tent, infront of my Clipper, and cook the fish I catch. Then sell it on as a delicatessen at Eravate for Mikhail Chengchekov who buys them in a 100,000cr a pop.
Instead, I'm hauling poo; for rep
Instead, I'm hauling poo; for rep
Could you do a little experiment for me?
Could you go to one of these systems you'd like to influence and have a look at the population and note down that number, then look at yourself and note down the number 1.
What's the ratio of you vs the population, so we can assess what would be a realistic level of influence you could have?
If I could focus on being just a pilot, man I could get in and out of the station so fast.
Plus, it would be cool for mining and exploring, but today why bother if crewmembers don't make any credits :-(
And if we always had the option to choose high risk delivery missions that guaranteed an interdiction, both cremates could jump in SLFs to defend the ship.
Honestly, a lot of Elite is watching the hyperspace and supercruise animations anyways, so we are use to filling the dead time with conversation.
That said - totally agree with you on MC SRV support.
I think rescuing passengers from the stations was fun for awhile, and if there was some advantage to continue to do it that would be cool - like unlocking something for 100, 1000, and 10,000 passengers rescued. Maybe a special "rescue ship" paint job?
That said, I would love it if we had an in system message come up calling all commanders to help defend stations! That would be cool - and they could spawn in more Thargoids based on how many commanders show up - kind of like a "public event" in Destiny - would be a blast!
While I loved playing Skyrim, being an SP game I stopped playing to play multiplayer with friends, and have to say Elder Scrolls Online does a decent job of making an mp version of Skyrim.
I have to agree - when you get bored try something else in game OR just play something else.
FDev can only include so much content for $30-$60.
I'm so happy this is coming to the game, along with the new caps.
Agreed!
Everyone has their own opinion, and the right to hold it.
True.
I really enjoy driving my SRV but you make a good point..
I wish I could go fishing aside one of the lakes on the moon of Sycondris VII. If this were a real sand box, I could do it. I could set up a tent, infront of my Clipper, and cook the fish I catch. Then sell it on as a delicatessen at Eravate for Mikhail Chengchekov who buys them in a 100,000cr a pop.
Instead, I'm hauling poo; for rep
No atmospheric planets to land on yet, so no fishing signs are up. But as you are a fisherman you will know that patience is required. [smile]
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It's not as simple as the binary either/or argument you present here.
There are facets if Elite I enjoy immensely. Flying ships is excellent. Elite may be the only game where in a spaceship is more than a weightless floating camera with guns attached. Flight, sound and visual presentation are unparalleled.
Likewise, combat is excellent. It's visceral and challenging. It needs to go faster than it does - time to kill is a bit high on larger ships - but it's quite good.
Unfortunately, the remainder of the game is sorely, visibly lacking. It has so much potential, but it's wasted on numbers grinding. Almost no opportunity exists for emergent game play, there's very little to explore and discover despite the enormity of the Galaxy and nothing has context or consequences.
I'd just like the game outside of flight and Combat, to be as good as those parts are. And I hope it gets there. But it's not likely, without a change in design philosophy.
I would go one step further than that.
How many of said hundreds of millions/billions peoplez in said system can be seen actually doing something that even in tiniest bit resembles exactly what you're doing?
All I can see are a few NPCs - the sense of scale suddenly changes.
But, to answer your question: you're still looking at the problem through the God's complex. I don't want to shift planets, change ruling political forces or whatnot.
Allow me to state that painfully clearly: I don't want to be a player that has influence over things in systems. I want to see my actions having results. It's completely different, yet a lot of you guys can't tell them apart.
Let me give you an example of what I mean: station X announces they're building new fighters for their police, as the ones they currently have are battle-beaten and at the verge of falling apart. To do that, they need 5 commodities at whatever quantities you can think of. Let's say:
- 500 tons of iron;
- 50 CPU something's;
- 1000 tons of some alloys - whatever, you get the point.
If I joined such venture (accepted the mission), and had been displayed with simple progress bar for each required commodity, I could simply see results of my actions through simple progress bar change. Note how this completely doesn't affect anything in the system, yet allows me to see results of my actions.
Add to that a possible police chatter while scanning you: this is a standard scan, hold your ship... oh, it's you, Commander. You've helped us getting our new fighters and we're pushing crime away! You know what, you got a pass today. Godspeed.
Notice how this changes absolutely nothing in a grand scheme of things, and yet creates a sense of making a difference for the player.
So, stop having the God complex. Interacting with environment doesn't mean flipping it upside down.
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This.
I don't want my hand holding.
I don't want to rescue a princess or be 'the one' or for the galaxy to revolve around me.
I've played almost every iteration of the Elite games since they were first published, I get the premise.
I'd like to encounter local narratives as I play, not revolving around me, revolving around what is in the game.
Not all the NPCs actions are shown in game.
Like a CG you mean. OH yeah, that sounds just like a CG with it's progress meters and all.
It also sounds like the forthcoming wing missions. Interesting.
I'm not the one having a god complex, you might need to reword some of this argument.
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Now you're being will fully ignorant.
No one is asking for a "Chosen One" role in Elite. No one wants to alter entire star systems in a day.
We just want our actions to have consequences. On the local or personal level. Like crime bosses who remember we stole from them, or smuggled goods for them. Who hunt us down, or send us personal, private jobs.
We want to see things change in systems as the states change. To have these things affect our Experience in minor ways.
But because it's not happening and fdven have not even TRIED to make it happen, you excuse these simple things by erecting an opposite extreme as a Strawman to argue against. It's tired and old and utterly transparent.
Bit like your wall of text threads.
So what's the percentage of NPCs shown in the game?
Precisely. Think of it like small-scale CGs with clear progression. Offers that would seem like a faction coming to a single pilot to offer a job fitting single pilot.
Of course, that's just a small part of what I mean as interactive environment, but that there is spot-on.
You're right, allow me to rephrase: stop looking through glasses of someone having God complex, thinking everyone else has the same complex
Not a personal attack, far from it - just don't think about interacting with environment, and seeing its response to you and to you only, like dreams of being literally God in the game.
Think of it as receiving feedback, not molding galaxies with a fart.
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