I love the game but FD ignoring 95% of folks and caving to 1% makes me want to walk away.

[MadDogMurdock]

Five hours of doing nothing is quite a long time. As is four hours of doing nothing (which is the rough time difference we're talking about here).

Keep in mind here you're literally arguing anything less than exactly 6.2 hours of travel time from bubble to core is too much. Is 5.5 right out? 5.0?

Why is what Frontier put in the game originally the most optimum number?

Why not 10 or 20? Why not days? Explain please. Your reasoning seems entirely arbitrary.

I actually wanted the game as originally designed where the frontier would have only been expanded by exploration efforts, and you wouldn't have been able to get any further than that.
Sadly, FD didn't deliver that and instead travel is completely trivial (and yes, repetitive) and the core was reached in gamma before the game's actual release date.

Please explain why you even want to do 'nothing' so badly and even care how long it takes - wouldn't your time be better spent on something else?

Is that George Pepard!?

Sure is - here he is chilling out on a trip to Colonia

 

[UmbraRex]

Passing the popcorn back and forth between them?

*passes popcorn

Seems likely

 

[Karunamon]

Please explain why you even want to do 'nothing' so badly and even care how long it takes - wouldn't your time be better spent on something else?

Because there are things in this game I will never do because there's a multi-hour wall of boredom in front of them, during the majority of which I'm not even playing the game, merely babysitting it. Anything involving Sag*A or Colonia or Jacques? Those might as well not exist for me because the payoff (oh neat, a black hole, there are at least two of those within spitting distance of the bubble - oh neat, another station that looks and acts like every other station) offers nothing to balance out the hours of tedium.

Worse, I go out there, and because the area's barely populated, there's nothing to do but make another similar trip to go back to civilization.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Because there are things in this game I will never do because there's a multi-hour wall of boredom in front of them, during the majority of which I'm not even playing the game, merely babysitting it. Anything involving Sag*A or Colonia or Jacques? Those might as well not exist for me because the payoff (oh neat, a black hole, there are at least two of those within spitting distance of the bubble - oh neat, another station that looks and acts like every other station) offers nothing to balance out the hours of tedium.

Worse, I go out there, and because the area's barely populated, there's nothing to do but make another similar trip to go back to civilization.

So it should be insta-gibbed so that you can knock it off your bucket list?

 

[Sylveria]

Five hours of doing nothing is quite a long time.

If you choose to do "nothing" during that time, sure. There's planetary objects to scan and explore along the way.

If you want to just jump, jump, jump- then yeah, I can see why some would consider it "boring".

 

[Lee Archer]

What a load of tosh! The developers clearly stated that they made an error in upping the FSD to achieve their desired improvement in jump range and so instead have reduced the mass of the ship to give them their desired increase in jump range whilst not making a mockery of "outjumping" designed-for-exploration ships.

I think you should enjoy your enhanced jump range and other improvements to your type 7 and stop making such a drama out of nothing.

Additionally, I think posting a whine in the support sub-forum is really pathetic.

You called her “pathetic “.
That itself is of dubious character and unseemly.
She’s pathetic, weak and deserving of pathos, pity.
Really? You say so?

Or are you the typical brazen, bold internet voice that should be moderated, where is that moderation?
And now you go on my ‘avoid crazy vibes’ contact list for forum and game purposes.
This was also a reason very cool longstanding gamers, some writing for gamer news, said EliteD was meh.
Peeps are a bit fanatical and not in a good way,heh.
#reprograming today
#Pariahs RUs

 

[Karunamon]

So it should be insta-gibbed so that you can knock it off your bucket list?

Insta is your words, 2 hours off in an endgame ship is mine. Stop dishonestly putting words in my mouth.

If you choose to do "nothing" during that time, sure. There's planetary objects to scan and explore along the way.

If you want to just jump, jump, jump- then yeah, I can see why some would consider it "boring".

You don't understand - that 5 hours of nothing is literal nothing.. staring at loading screens. I can do other stuff between those loading screens, but there will be at minimum, five hours of loading screens on a trip to Sag*A.

15 second FSD charge, 5 second countdown, 15 second average jump time, 8 second cooldown, repeat times number of jumps. That's only the completely dead do-nothing time, not counting fuel scooping, actual exploration, etc.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Insta is your words, 2 hours off in an endgame ship is mine. Stop dishonestly putting words in my mouth.



You don't understand - that 5 hours of nothing is literal nothing.. staring at loading screens. I can do other stuff between those loading screens, but there will be at minimum, five hours of loading screens on a trip to Sag*A.

Sounds like you don't want to do it - so don't do it.

 

[EISENHORN01]

The jump range of the T7 isn’t the issue what it needed was for the devs to do a properly formulated revamp of the design allowing the ship to finally use medium pads, it could have quite easily been factored into the thargoid story along the lines of

“In a move that has shocked the ship building industry throughout the bubble a spokesman for LAKON announced earlier today”

“Due to the outbreak of hostilities between humanity and the alien race known as ‘the thargoids’ we at LAKON realised the T7 trading vessel was in urgent need of modifications. As the thargoids have begun a series of strikes against stations in human controlled space and urgent calls have been issued for rescue and rebuilding it quickly became apparent the T7 could be far more useful if it was slightly redesigned. There have been many requests to address the T7 since it’s launch, we at LAKON have taken onboard the suggestions and as a result These modifications will allow the vessel to utilise medium pads upon landing at stations and bases.
As with all things in ship building there has been some give and take and to accommodate the new design the cargo capacity of the T7 will be slightly reduced but this reduction in mass will result in an increase in the T7s jump range, this will coincide with a revamp of the over all frameshift drive giving the T7 a boost of around 20%.

As a show of good faith to the spacefaring community and our loyal customers LAKON will exchange any old T7 for a revamped T7 when the older model is presented to one of our dealerships. This exchange will be done free of charge and we will include the movement of the owners existing ship modules to their new ship. All new T7 purchased from this point forward will be of the new T7 model.

LAKON is proud of its standing within the ship building industry and we feel the new T7 continues our traditions and history”.

 

[Karunamon]

Sounds like you don't want to do it - so don't do it.

Sounds like you want your trips to take the maximum amount of time possible - set your FSD to economical and this idea won't impact you

 

[Ian Phillips]

You called her “pathetic “.
That itself is of dubious character and unseemly.
She’s pathetic, weak and deserving of pathos, pity.
Really? You say so?

Or are you the typical brazen, bold internet voice that should be moderated, where is that moderation?
And now you go on my ‘avoid crazy vibes’ contact list for forum and game purposes.
This was also a reason very cool longstanding gamers, some writing for gamer news, said EliteD was meh.
Peeps are a bit fanatical and not in a good way,heh.
#reprograming today
#Pariahs RUs

The moderation is here.

Please respond to the points made in a post and don't attack the poster. Thanks.

 

[Troy_McClure]

OP? Let me start off on the right note here...

Waahhh Boohoohoo! I know - sensibly balancing a game is a b*tch, isn't it!? I prefer to follow your thought process - ie "Me, me, me!" - too! hehehe

 

[Sylveria]

You don't understand - that 5 hours of nothing is literal nothing.. staring at loading screens. I can do other stuff between those loading screens, but there will be at minimum, five hours of loading screens on a trip to Sag*A.

15 second FSD charge, 5 second countdown, 15 second average jump time, 8 second cooldown, repeat times number of jumps. That's only the completely dead do-nothing time, not counting fuel scooping, actual exploration, etc.

Actually, being an Explorer- I do understand.

What's your expectation of what you would see instead of what you describe as "loading screens"? How long do you think it should take? Are you expecting instant travel to the galactic core?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I actually wanted the game as originally designed where the frontier would have only been expanded by exploration efforts, and you wouldn't have been able to get any further than that.
Sadly, FD didn't deliver that and instead travel is completely trivial (and yes, repetitive) and the core was reached in gamma before the game's actual release date.

indeed so much this....... of all the MVP, half baked features this is the one which pains me the most, because (in theory) everything else can be put right in future improvements, but exploration and long range travel.. once that is out of the bag it is gone for good.

i honestly thought building hyperspace jump networks out to SagA and the like, selling the data to UC so that others could buy and then it "open" the jump routes in the galmap was an endeavour which would take YEARS.

i imagined a scenario where we jump to an unplotted system, manually aligning to the star (possibly a minigame like the interdiction

we jump in, taking damage, the amount depending on how well we did it.

we then scan the system (whether a full scan would be needed or we have probes to send out to give minimum jump co-ordinates open to debate).

We then take data back and sell to UC for profit, and pilots can buy that data to open up to others.
mission board then generates missions to deliver parts for possible nav beacon construction, which once online means people can jump there WITHOUT buying data from UC (on opening hyperspace portal our ships computer links with distant beacon and plots a safe course......). (all sorts of potential for missjumps, hi jacked beacons dropping up into ambush etc)

 

[Karunamon]

Actually, being an Explorer- I do understand.

What's your expectation of what you would see instead of what you describe as "loading screens"? How long do you think it should take? Are you expecting instant travel to the galactic core?

Jesus Christ, learn to read. Both of you. Did I ever suggest that? No I did not.

Respond to what I wrote, not what you want me to have written. What I suggested has been explained very clearly with the numbers. Respond to that, not this hokey mirror-universe version of me that only exists in your imagination who said "I want to go to the core in one jump".

For crying out loud people. This isn't that difficult.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Sounds like you want your trips to take the maximum amount of time possible - set your FSD to economical and this idea won't impact you

Sure, how about Fuel?
That Fuel Scooping malarkey is a bit tedious and it's super cheap anyway - complete waste of time, get rid of it.

 

[Lee Archer]

Could known trade routes or exact return trips have a Chained lightening series of back to back jumps, not for exploration but to known stations along known routes- still subject to Interdiction.
Does therehave to be some
Offsetting downside, like you arrive without genitals?
A maximum distance- ah, it’s easy to sit in a lazy boy and jump...never mind
No really I can’t wait for the new beauty planets, bring on chapter one, we ‘could’ do some tweaking now that way more people are considering Exploration as a focus-

Say move from Mercury to Gemini to Apollo back down to space shuttle then back up to Falcon Heavy, uh, wait...

#got billions and a packed bag
#Falcon Heavy SRV convertible

 

[Sylveria]

Jesus Christ, learn to read. Both of you. Did I ever suggest that? No I did not.

Respond to what I wrote, not what you want me to have written. What I suggested has been explained very clearly with the numbers. Respond to that, not this hokey mirror-universe version of me that only exists in your imagination who said "I want to go to the core in one jump".

For crying out loud people. This isn't that difficult.

You didn't answer the questions.

 

[Karunamon]

Sure, how about Fuel?
That Fuel Scooping malarkey is a bit tedious and it's super cheap anyway - complete waste of time, get rid of it.

Scooping could always be made more engaging.. dodging solar flares and hanging out at closer range to get a better scoop rate, magnetic fluxes meaning there are better and worse places to scoop.. maybe a moving target ala planetary scan missions.

The "do nothing" time is what I want addressed. That's the lowest of the low hanging fruit. The only way you fix do nothing time is either by adding something to do or lowering its duration outright.

Engaging gameplay > tedium > doing nothing. Putting gas in your vehicle is never going to be the most exciting thing ever, let's be honest.

You didn't answer the questions.

Then ask them without the surrounding strawmen.

 

[Ethaidan]

You called her “pathetic “.
That itself is of dubious character and unseemly.
She’s pathetic, weak and deserving of pathos, pity.
Really? You say so?

Or are you the typical brazen, bold internet voice that should be moderated, where is that moderation?
And now you go on my ‘avoid crazy vibes’ contact list for forum and game purposes.
This was also a reason very cool longstanding gamers, some writing for gamer news, said EliteD was meh.
Peeps are a bit fanatical and not in a good way,heh.
#reprograming today
#Pariahs RUs

Noooope.

What he said was: "Additionally, I think posting a whine in the support sub-forum is really pathetic."

That was quite clearly an assessment and criticism of the OP's action, not the OP as a person. These are fundamentally different things. I may be incorrect, but being judgemental of, disagreeing with, or slating a post is in no way deserving of moderation. I am free to respond to posts by saying... I disagree, that is absurd, whining about X really is pathetic. If I were to respond by saying you're stupid, you're pathetic... well, then that is a personal attack. A fine line perhaps? Personally, I think it's a clear and reasonable distinction.

Edit: Doh! Mod ninja!