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Privateer’s Alliance Charity Event Targeted for Griefing
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To be fair, I'll give you that one, I made assumptions that the OP was actually taking part in the event and that they were asking for special treatment for the expedition based on that. Given that the OP has actually been banned from that subreddit (quite unceremoniously) and that someone from the PA replied to the thread with a hell yeah! (Near enough) I'll edit that statement and aim it firmly at the OP...
Except that's exactly what the Thargoid incursions are for. They want their stuff back and they're going to put a stranglehold on the UA trade.
You ether find them where they've been placed in open space which will attract them when they find out it's been taken or moved.
Or they start attacking the convoys that have been supplying them.
If the Thargoids aren't doing anything about people taking their stuff, then that kind of defeats the narrative for the Thargoid story no? I mean they go after both UA's and Meta Alloys so that would incur extra risk if you started messing with them.
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You're not alone. I see it the very same way, but when reading this thread i get to the feeling that we're a minority here. A good number of people here display the attitude that a charity event is just for their entertainment, and the people the charity is for should better get lost.
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But hey, this community already has the reputation. Just look a Little back. Somebody suffers of cancer? So parts of the community try have a laugh on his costs. They don't care for his fate and suffering and probably conclude that he should rather "git gut" and not have cancer.
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And on all those "ask the community for preparation and protection" stuff: Yea, sure. I guess wherever you live it's also common that one or another heavily armed policement are always present when there's a charity event for the local kids hospital or something like that? If the behaviour you propagate seems normal to you, then i just have to assume that smashing a charity booth to pieces on the city square is also normal behaviour to you?
(And skip repeating the "it's a game" crap. The focus is on a real-life charity, with the game being merely a medium of raising attention. If you see it any different, you might want to really go into you and ponder your personal relationship to reality. )
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Firstly, if you honestly think this is the only game in which things like this happen, you haven't played many games.
[video=youtube;0TSGUf1xbF8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TSGUf1xbF8[/video]
Secondly, in pretty much every other game I know of, the players take care of stuff like this regardless of whether the developer also takes retrospective action. The one thing this game is fairly unique for is the sheer number of times people are on here asking FDev to 'do something' about this, that and the other.
People have sold an in-game item at a station, which has caused an in-game effect which was not only specifically programmed by the very developers who are yet again being told they need to 'do something' but was then also given at least one balancing pass to make it easier to combat. I hate to be the one to break it to you but nobody is going to get banned in this game for trading, which is literally all they have done.
If anybody bothered to listen to Ed's commentary on the Dove Enigma saga, you would know he said that despite the significant community reaction, a single ship's delivery of meta alloys would have been enough to fix that situation.
I'm sure some of the more extreme elements here will read what I've just written and interpret it as support for the bombers because that's the kind of nonsensical binary thinking that I've seen employed every single time this happens. I don't support it, I think it's a pretty lame thing to do and in particular I think that plum who keeps doing it as some alleged 'protest' against I don't even know what needs to learn to let go.
Having said that, you can't be expecting a developer to ban or sanction people for doing things in their game which they specifically intended (or they wouldn't have coded the UA damage mechanic to begin with) just because you don't like it.
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Hmm, you counter my "i haven't heard of anything like that in another game since a long time" with a video from 2006. Thanks for making my point. (I myself could also bring something similar from 2011 or so, which would still support my point of view. )
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And no, i don't really expect FD to act. But it really makes me wonder, what kind of people are we having here?
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I mean hey. People got angry about the whole Salomé thing. I personally never saw a big deal there, it was all in the game world. Sure it had some planing and organisation flaws, the outcome was predictable and some small wizard did what he always does. But it seems like he has the moral integrity to stay away from destructive activities which connect to actual RL.
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It's a bit like in old university times, Friday evenings. We fought, we screamed at each other, we cursed each other. Then at 21:00 we shut the computers down and all together went to a pub. What happened in the game stayed in the game. But RL charity is not inside the game, which makes all of the difference.
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And here we close the circle to the start: yes, FD implemented the thing, to be used within the scope of gameplay. I would expect that they don't oppose charity, though, and all i heard from within this topic was, that they are all in favour of having the game used as medium to raise attention for charity. So in-game mechanics are used in a way which affects something outside of the game (with the game being a mere medium) in a negative way. According to the ToS this would actually allow FD to act. It is bad PR, it affects the games and the communities reputation, but no, i don't think they will do anything. But i can just wonder, as a number of other developers and publishers would take action. (Any PR is good PR, which means that the positive PR of eliminating foul apples from your community also is good PR, and most likely we're really just speeking of a very small number of foul apples which would have to be taken care of. )
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It would even be better if we could teach those who don't get the difference between something purely in-game and something connected to the RL, but i by now got the feeling that exactly those who lack the ability to understand that also lack the capacity to learn it without feeling pain. A few weeks of not being able to log in here migth be just the little pain necessary to start the learning process...
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There are plenty of us who are ready to help in these types of actions. No need to eliminate a valid BGS mechanic to prevent something that can easily be handled within the game.
The Dove Enigma fiasco showed just how powerful the non-psycho majority of the ED community can be when teamed up. It was overkill, but in a good way.
Many of us are ready to assist again if the need arises. But Privateers Alliance seems to have it well in hand. We'll be watching for the call if they need support.
How they obtain them is pretty simple - they pick them up at places like Thargoid wrecks, relog and recollect, until they have a cargo hold full of them, and deliver. It only takes about 30 minutes of doing this to fill a Type-9's hold (400+ tons). The corrosive effect of even that many of these can be offset by AFMU's, and a few like-minded individuals.
Unfortunately not. I have been alive a long time and it never ceases to amaze me how low people will stoop. Stealing charity boxes, vandalising the toys for children with special needs, attacking 95 year old ladies for their pension money. It seems the more sensitive the issue the more joy some seem to take in serving up misery for people. However, every time I think the human race is doomed something will happen that will restore my confidence in humanity. Perhaps its just the natural balance, or perhaps I need my pills and afternoon nap....
While not condoning the douchbaggery of targetting these types of events, I do question the impact on the events themselves and the outrage that inevitably follows.
Isn't the basis of them, that you are streaming the game and that people can donate.
I don't quite see how a downed station prevents that from continuing, other than a potential change of gameplay.
My take is to carry on regardless and don't even acknowledge the tools that like to do these things.
Every one of these threads strokes their warped little egos just a bit more.
Isn't the basis of them, that you are streaming the game and that people can donate.
I don't quite see how a downed station prevents that from continuing, other than a potential change of gameplay.
My take is to carry on regardless and don't even acknowledge the tools that like to do these things.
Every one of these threads strokes their warped little egos just a bit more.
I was leaving the house on the way to work when I posted, I did a quick search for that vid because it was the first one that sprang to mind. Seriously though, my point was that you may well not have heard about it recently but all that tells you is that it''s not front page news everytime someone gets griefed in an online game any more. Hardly surprising really considering that it ceased to be novel or unexpected before the video I linked was made.
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Gamers. Some of whom will be pillocks, same as some of virtually every other cross section of humanity you could name will be.
It's actually comments like this one that made me wonder just how much gaming you do because if you seriously imagine that not being able to log into this game (or any other game) for a couple of weeks would prompt some kind of life reappraisal by players who do stuff like this to begin with then at best, I'd have to say you're a wonderfully optimistic person. They won't give a crap and no amount of crusading is going to change that.
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Perhaps i live in a better world than you... for among my usual environment, a good bunch of behaviours which you seem to consider normal are an oddity in my environment. Mind you, i'm well aware of enough people with bad attitude and who at some time also were a problem. But curiously enough, most of them hide that and you only get glimpses of it when they are drunk. (Or apparently when hiding behind anonymity on the internet. )
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Just like in a car, you don't have to love red traffic lights. It's good enough when you stick to the rules and don't run over people. The same applies on social interaction, you don't need to love everybody, displaying the most basic level of decency usually is enough. But it seems like that's already too much to ask for?
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Hehe... considering that i spend like 4 evenings a week gaming, most of them online, i would guess that it's not too little. Still even there my encounters with such personalities, which for you seem to be omnipresent, are a rarity for me. Makes me wonder why. Am i way more tolerant? Do i shrug it off better? Then why would i care? Or am i just generally playing "better" games with a better community, and only my love for spaceflight now has drawn me into those circles, where worse behaviour is commonplace?
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And on changing the people: no, it sure won't change their personality. They still might have biowaste for brains. But if they experience that a game requires them to display at least a minimum level of decency to keep playing, they most likely will do so. Or do you think those people behave just as badly in their real life, as they do in the game? I very much doubt that.
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He lives in Manchester, England so its not exactly hard.
@Red remember the good times we had in the other game nuking drone events with all the colos and cylons sitting about singing kumbaya, good times.
I'd love to see what the forum reaction would've been had some of elites players been there.
In the cases when FDev creates a megaship for the use in the charity, they should add a CG as well to it to collect meta-alloys, to signal to players that this is going on and the need for protection. Use this situation and create more game play and content from it instead of nerfing existing mechanics. Keep UAB and meta-alloy response, but build more in the game to support the events. I might want to participate in the future... if I even knew it was going on first.
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It doesn't, and I think the leader of Privateer's Alliance himself said as much a few pages back. Naturally it got buried.
They said they're ready in the event a bombing takes place, and people have said they're willing and able to pitch a hand with moving Meta-Alloys if it comes to that. So there's really no cause for concern, people just want something to hyperventilate about, and the "statement" being made by the bombers themselves is of dubious impact at best.
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Sad thing is, I am one of the three people who read it (although I tend to use a galnet phone app' so I can browse in any spare time at work) and I still don't find the relevant articles easily.
And, of course, when I'm actually playing the game I've got better things to do, except when I'm doing long-haul cargo deliveries.
Maybe each station/outpost could have a "news ticker-tape" scrolling along the top of the page, displaying news specific to that station/system/faction, in the same way that there's a ticker-tape in the actual galnet display?
It doesn't, and I think the leader of Privateer's Alliance himself said as much a few pages back. Naturally it got buried.
They said they're ready in the event a bombing takes place, and people have said they're willing and able to pitch a hand with moving Meta-Alloys if it comes to that. So there's really no cause for concern, people just want something to hyperventilate about, and the "statement" being made by the bombers themselves is of dubious impact at best.
Of course got buried.
The voice of reason always does when the OP starts off saying use of a legitimate in game mechanic is griefing. Even when the main party affected pretty much states it isn't (both here and on the linked reddit thread) and at least one of the "Griefers" has actually donated to the cause and invites his fellow "Griefers" to also do so...
So that leaves this thread, with no reason to exist other than to be a salt mine because someone doesn't like the mechanic. Or a plea for handwavium, something stated on both sides as not wanted.
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Ph1Lt0r here, wing commander of PA, I was really surprised to see PA mentioned here; appreciate the post! We defiantly don't condone the use of UA bombing in game, we are prepared for it. We have some dedicated folks who have mined a few thousand MAs and have them on standby. The unfortunate thing is overall, I agree with what the commander who is UA bombing wants changed, just wish it went a different way. The good news is that it won't affect the charity as events are not using our stations.
I do appreciate that the commander who may or may not be bombing also promoted donating to the charity. I believe while UA bombing isn't a good thing, his heart is in the right place, and we always will accept a challenge and will thank him for a donation. We also appreciate the community support as well! We're up to 30% of our goal!
Fly safe CMDRs, watch out for those wild Thargoid Artifacts floating around
I guess what I am saying is, this isn't worth a witch hunt. -signed the folks being targeted.
Also, for those who run player groups. We created a new account with our wing name, use it for private group, and got it into a cutter to store MAs for such situations. We have been targeted several times for UA bombing, but none have ever been successful.
And just for the sake of posterity, and future reference, this is the post I was referring to. And here's a link to it as well.
Appreciate the assist there, Damon8r!
So yeah... some of the responses in here I've seen are disturbing... The commander who is going to be doing this has every right to, charity work or not. Our charity also doesn't hinge on our stations working. I do appreciate the support, I really do, but respect for play style trumps in my book. Privateer's Alliance mantra is 'Play your own way, but play together'. So while we do thank you for the respect for the event and the offers for help, we also would appreciate it if labels and for the insane calls for use of law enforcement for something as trivial as an action in a video game be dropped.
I've had convos with the person who is doing the bombing. He has an agenda, he has purpose, but most important, he's not a bad person despite what he might do in a video game. We respect that, even though it's targeted at us as a group. Stuff happens, we'll fight back, life moves on. I was hoping that this would turn into discussion more about the charity and heart health, but it's the forums, so... yeah.
Here's to keeping your hearts healthy. Don't fight on the forums, it raises blood pressure, it makes life way more difficult than it needs to be. And for gods sake, just enjoy the game, the good and the bad.
Also, the steps we have taken to fight back:
1. We've got bank accounts (spare ED accounts that have T9's or cutters) filled with MAs, last count was at 3000+
2. We have an RSS feed to watch for our station shutdowns
3. We talked with the person behind it. Offered no ill will for the event, and are going to use this to further our cause, show how well Privateer's Alliance works together and why our charities are worthy of support
So yeah... some of the responses in here I've seen are disturbing... The commander who is going to be doing this has every right to, charity work or not. Our charity also doesn't hinge on our stations working. I do appreciate the support, I really do, but respect for play style trumps in my book. Privateer's Alliance mantra is 'Play your own way, but play together'. So while we do thank you for the respect for the event and the offers for help, we also would appreciate it if labels and for the insane calls for use of law enforcement for something as trivial as an action in a video game be dropped.
I've had convos with the person who is doing the bombing. He has an agenda, he has purpose, but most important, he's not a bad person despite what he might do in a video game. We respect that, even though it's targeted at us as a group. Stuff happens, we'll fight back, life moves on. I was hoping that this would turn into discussion more about the charity and heart health, but it's the forums, so... yeah.
Here's to keeping your hearts healthy. Don't fight on the forums, it raises blood pressure, it makes life way more difficult than it needs to be. And for gods sake, just enjoy the game, the good and the bad.
Also, the steps we have taken to fight back:
1. We've got bank accounts (spare ED accounts that have T9's or cutters) filled with MAs, last count was at 3000+
2. We have an RSS feed to watch for our station shutdowns
3. We talked with the person behind it. Offered no ill will for the event, and are going to use this to further our cause, show how well Privateer's Alliance works together and why our charities are worthy of support
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