Curious - Your reaction to Cmdr Tony Curtis' Videos?

[Ethaidan]

A sports fanatic is someone who's life is extremely invested in sports. Someone who owns all the merch of every local sports team, doesn't miss a game, ect ect. They are only a small minority of everyone who watches or enjoys sports at all. That doesn't mean that sports fanatics don't define the past time more than people like my mom who will only watch the superbowl or a similarly important game if our home team is playing in it.

The same applies to gaming, and to a greater extent I would argue as unlike sports gaming has many genres and sub genres, and often these genres appeal to different demographics, so a specific type of game may ONLY be concerned with 1% of the entire gaming community as they are the only ones with any interest.

Just because women are half of the gaming community doesn't mean they are half of the communities of games like E. And that's ok, it's just a fact of life. And I'm sure there are a few genre of games that are dominated by female gamers and that's ok too.

And therein lies the problem! Yes, the vast majority of AAA action/fps gaming fanatics is very probably still male, but that sub-culture is no longer representative of the global gaming community, it hasn't been for years. Trying to define gamers or the gaming community by over referencing and emphasising this sub-group is a bit sad, given the size of the global industry and the incredible growth of different genres/types of games. As for personal observations of my family and friends gaming habits, I guess I'm just not naive or arrogant to think that my little biased sample in any way the reflects overall gaming trends of over a billiion people accross multiple continents, especially given that the largest gaming region is Asia and the largest gaming company is Chinese. Have a look at the game viewing stats for YouTube, you may be surprised.

So I do disagree with your sports analogy - I wouldn't define the football culture in England by the small group of fanatics who often do a terrible job representing humanity, let alone football fans in general. Nor do they drive that industry, commercial sponsorships do.

 

[Spacecat]

Lol, I actually got blowed up by that guy once, but I don't really remember the circumstances, other than, I'm pretty sure it was at a CG. Always fly with rebuy!

 

[kofeyh]

I don't disagree with this statement...but I think you're elevating "Griefing" into something it isn't...

I'm not elevating anything; choice is choice. This is more your perception, than anything. Which is fine. Everyone's perception of a thing can be subtly different.

Moral Dilema's "in-game" would be something like "My minor faction is suffering loss of influence and there's a stack of Massacre Civilian Missions...do I take them/or not?" "Should I attack this systems Law Enforcement Ships in order to influence their system state" "I'm struggling for Money...should I take this mission smuggling slaves" Etc Etc...and all manner of other questions that the game can throw up...

So, what you are saying, is a moral dilemma is functionally limited to what you, personally, take to be a moral dilemma; and that's automatically got to be the singular and only moral dilemma. That's pretty self-serving. The universe, and the game, doesn't rotate around your one person. Which is why people complain so much. They aren't the center of attention. And demand to be.

I'm fairly sure someone living in their Parents basement deciding to seal-club a stock Sidewinder in a starter system in their G5 Engineered FDL isn't acting out of some kind of "Moral Ambiguity" are they?

Loaded question, is loaded. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

Whether I agree with something or not, does not automatically require that it should not exist. Also that denigrating generalisation whilst taking the moral high-ground. Well done.

 

[Cosmos]

T. Curtis is alright. His brand of humor isn't always aligned with my own, but even his weakest videos are still fun to watch.

nvm

o7

 

[Darty]

And therein lies the problem! Yes, the vast majority of AAA action/fps gaming fanatics is very probably still male, but that sub-culture is no longer representative of the global gaming community, it hasn't been for years. Trying to define gamers or the gaming community by over referencing and emphasising this sub-group is a bit sad, given the size of the global industry and the incredible growth of different genres/types of games. As for personal observations of my family and friends gaming habits, I guess I'm just not naive or arrogant to think that my little biased sample in any way the reflects overall gaming trends of over a billiion people accross multiple continents, especially given that the largest gaming region is Asia and the largest gaming company is Chinese. Have a look at the game viewing stats for YouTube, you may be surprised.

So I do disagree with your sports analogy - I wouldn't define the football culture in England by the small group of fanatics who often do a terrible job representing humanity, let alone football fans in general. Nor do they drive that industry, commercial sponsorships do.

But none of that is relevant to the "gaming community" as it concerns E:D or it's playerbase as we do fall into the traditional gaming community. Nor is it particularly relevant to me as I am not really concerned with how the Chinese or my grandma spend their free time and whether or not by some technicality it is similar to how I do so. Gamer as it was used in this thread referred to people who play games like E:D, not some abstract notion of anyone who has ever played any sort computer game. For all intents and purposes, the casual mobile games industry and demographic is completely different from the dedicated PC gaming industry and player base.

This whole argument came up because someone use the term "gaming community" to refer to "the community of players who like games like E:D" and some snob felt the need to say "well acshually women play just as many mobile games as men so you can't say there are less women gamers" despite the fact that anyone with a grade 4 reading comprehension could tell that the original poster was referring to a subset of the wider gaming community. It was simply a case of someone being the speech police to try to shove some narrative down our throats when no actual harm was done.

 

[A D]

I can't see this as naming and shaming. If anything, it's added publicity for Cmdr Curtis. I bet he's gotten many more subs because of this.

True enough. Any publicity is good publicity. I think (fuzzy memory) when I started this thread Tony had 300 subscribers. ATM he has 402. If I've got the numbers right, I hope he cuts me a break in the event I run into him in the deep.

 

[milligna]

Makes me think I should just watch "The Sweet Smell of Success" again, really.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

But none of that is relevant to the "gaming community" as it concerns E or it's playerbase as we do fall into the traditional gaming community. Nor is it particularly relevant to me as I am not really concerned with how the Chinese or my grandma spend their free time and whether or not by some technicality it is similar to how I do so. Gamer as it was used in this thread referred to people who play games like E, not some abstract notion of anyone who has ever played any sort computer game. For all intents and purposes, the casual mobile games industry and demographic is completely different from the dedicated PC gaming industry and player base.

This whole argument came up because someone use the term "gaming community" to refer to "the community of players who like games like E" and some snob felt the need to say "well acshually women play just as many mobile games as men so you can't say there are less women gamers" despite the fact that anyone with a grade 4 reading comprehension could tell that the original poster was referring to a subset of the wider gaming community. It was simply a case of someone being the speech police to try to shove some narrative down our throats when no actual harm was done.

Yeah.

 

[A D]

Self censored ...sometimes a good thing I type slowly. While I'm here though and before this thread drops off the board, thanks to all for your posts and indulging my curiosity.