A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[Ryan Murdoc]

Did i've missed something in the patchnotes or where is stated that it has to be this way during war states? :S

Also...it wouldn't be the first time somethings NOT working as intended

You simply would effectively counter which has been experienced and working as intended by many people, myself included.

And FD will not mention any major changes to the BGS in patchnotes unless the playerbase repeatedly sent them tickets regarding faulty behaviour or overall illogical workings of itself. Do you really think they'd open this Box of the Pandora unless there's no other way?

 

[Deareim]

Hi all,

If our group is at war in a system, only bounties or acts of war count for the influence there.

Question: what about the other systems? do only bounties or acts of war count there, or also normal actions (missions, trade,...)?

Tested in colonia.
combat bonds contributes for the faction in war in the specific system, where ever you cashed itX
bh = work in systems you cashed it but usually helps mostly the system owner.

 

[Jmanis]

So, dumb(ish) question(s).

Failing a mission (as opposed to abandoning) hurts inf for the issuing faction. Now destinations for deliveries get inf too, does failing hurt both ends?

And secondly, Pilots Federation bonds from Thargoid kills. Do they give Inf during wartime like normal bonds for a specific faction, to the station owner?

 

[El-bizor]

what are the ups and downs of an anarchy faction being in control?

 

[SciTrekker]

what are the ups and downs of an anarchy faction being in control?

Up: The Law can't touch [this]
Down: No rest for the [wicked] hauler

 

[Starwolfe]

So, dumb(ish) question(s).

Failing a mission (as opposed to abandoning) hurts inf for the issuing faction. Now destinations for deliveries get inf too, does failing hurt both ends?

And secondly, Pilots Federation bonds from Thargoid kills. Do they give Inf during wartime like normal bonds for a specific faction, to the station owner?

The Pilot's Federation is its own faction, and as of 2.4 that minor faction doesn't gain influence anymore - its kind of a shadow group like Engineers, they exist with reputation but they don't exert influence.

As for missions... that requires testing. I had not thought of it, but its plausible - but I doubt it.
My assumption is that the influence is only impacted upon mission delivery, its failure rests with the group that issued it.
Still, needs testing.

 

[El-bizor]

Up: The Law can't touch [this]
Down: No rest for the [wicked] hauler

We, my friends and I, are looking to back a faction we really like the name of. However, its an anarchy faction and I wondered how much of a difference that makes apart from most of the missions will be dodgy

 

[Starwolfe]

In my experience, in all other systems that are not on war, missions, passengers and trade work very well.
Trade works also in the war system very well if traded reactive armor, personal weapons or battle weapons.
Also in the war system works very well war specific missions like surface scan or assassinating. We did sometimes no combat but only such sort of missioms and got a good boost in influence (traffic was watched with eagle eye so that random people coming around weren't disturbing the results).

Edit:
Evidence is following
Our PMF is currently at war in one system. We have chosen another systems where we do only missions and trade today, no bountys or combat bonds (combat bonds have outside of the war system anyways no impact on influence, only to rep).

I will edit this post and publish our data to proof. Expect it to around mid-day tomorrow after the BGS tick.

Edit2
It will take one tick more sadly. My Hotas has broken in the evening and have to got to the store to get a new one. Won't be back before tick
Good news: one day of war is remaining. Our PMF has lost influence and gained influence i other systems than the war system. So i was already able to disproof statement about frozen influences in the other systems.
Lots of changes to be seen. Posts will follow as soon as i have collected everything

Time until new Hotas: 2h

My PMF was in War, so I did the testing rounds on my side.

Bounteis work fine.
Bonds did nothing outside the system in conflict.
Missions had no effect.

So far its working the same as always for me.

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

My PMF was in War, so I did the testing rounds on my side.

Bounteis work fine.
Bonds did nothing outside the system in conflict.
Missions had no effect.

So far its working the same as always for me.

Bountys were always the best to boost influence (except during election)
That bonds outside of war-system have no influence impact was also my statement.
The result of the missions i will see tomorrow. I've did lots of war related missions such as killing deserteurs, other factions, delivering weapons etc....
They were also clearly described with "...you helped our war efforts..." and such. Also the availability to choose high influence is also given.

If those missions do not work even if clearly stated, i would raise a bug report and wanna have credits refunds. If they don't raise influence, i could also just choose the cash^^

At next tick we will see more. So far, good night.

 

[zzUrbanSpaceman]

So, just to be absolutely clear, bounties DO work in other systems during war/civil war? Because I was strongly under the impression that ALL influence gain mechanics were null and void EXCEPT combat bonds in the system that's actually in the conflict.

 

[Starwolfe]

So, just to be absolutely clear, bounties DO work in other systems during war/civil war? Because I was strongly under the impression that ALL influence gain mechanics were null and void EXCEPT combat bonds in the system that's actually in the conflict.

That is correct by my experiences.

Under War and Civil Wars;
Combat Bonds only work in the system of the conflict.
Bounties work everywhere.
Nothing else works - no Trade, Exploration, Missions or Passengers will effect influence.
That also means Black Markets do not work.

Under Elections;
Trade, Exploration, Missions or Passengers are the key effects for Influence.
Bounties do not work anywhere.
Also, Murder does not work for a faction in an Election.
However Black Markets will function fine.

 

[Jmanis]

So, just to be absolutely clear, bounties DO work in other systems during war/civil war? Because I was strongly under the impression that ALL influence gain mechanics were null and void EXCEPT combat bonds in the system that's actually in the conflict.

Just the other day I increased influence in a system via bonds earned in a different system, and didn't appear to be a side-gain from another faction losing influence. I've had fairly reliable success with it so far.

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

That is correct by my experiences.

Under War and Civil Wars;
Combat Bonds only work in the system of the conflict.
Bounties work everywhere.
Nothing else works - no Trade, Exploration, Missions or Passengers will effect influence.
That also means Black Markets do not work.

Under Elections;
Trade, Exploration, Missions or Passengers are the key effects for Influence.
Bounties do not work anywhere.
Also, Murder does not work for a faction in an Election.
However Black Markets will function fine.

I was able to proof that i was wrong. I have to apologize at everyone who i have stated to be wrong. Sorry people, i was wrong and i was able to proof it
The results are clear. During a war/civil war, nothing except bountyhunting works to raise a factions influence in the other systems than the war system
I'm really surprised and buffled, because there are war specific missions (such as killing deserteurs, trading weapons etc...) which have the availability to choose "high influence".

Spoiler

The Influence didn't raised and the other factions had to to zero random traffic also no gains/losses. It is a shame in my opinion, to offer Missions that doesn't help the faction even if stated so.

conclusion is, during war/civil war these are he only viable options to boost influence atm:
War/civil war state system of faction X - Combat Bonds, Bountys
in all other systems of faction X - Bountys
and nothing else......

Spoiler

Not sure if i should raise a bugreport about this since FDev never confirms/denies if this is intended or not. But this feels like betrayal. I'd like to get a refund for the wasted credits

 

[Fett_Li]

This is not new to me and I wouldn't consider it a bug. Me and my group have played the BGS that way for a long time now.

 

[MottiKhan]

I was able to proof that i was wrong. I have to apologize at everyone who i have stated to be wrong. Sorry people, i was wrong and i was able to proof it
The results are clear. During a war/civil war, nothing except bountyhunting works to raise a factions influence in the other systems than the war system
I'm really surprised and buffled, because there are war specific missions (such as killing deserteurs, trading weapons etc...) which have the availability to choose "high influence".

Spoiler

https://i.imgur.com/KZCT87S.png

The Influence didn't raised and the other factions had to to zero random traffic also no gains/losses. It is a shame in my opinion, to offer Missions that doesn't help the faction even if stated so.

conclusion is, during war/civil war these are he only viable options to boost influence atm:
War/civil war state system of faction X - Combat Bonds, Bountys
in all other systems of faction X - Bountys
and nothing else......

Spoiler

https://i.imgur.com/Zpp3nIe.png
https://i.imgur.com/VcrWlW5.png

Not sure if i should raise a bugreport about this since FDev never confirms/denies if this is intended or not. But this feels like betrayal. I'd like to get a refund for the wasted credits

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/19/14/121914dc6dffba378177f0c54c375475.jpg

It was a good test. +1 rep for doing it and reporting back. I've also had this experience before 3.0, but you never know what changes are in store for us at each update.

Your time and efforts are appreciated and weren't wasted.

 

[irongut]

I was able to proof that i was wrong. I have to apologize at everyone who i have stated to be wrong. Sorry people, i was wrong and i was able to proof it
The results are clear. During a war/civil war, nothing except bountyhunting works to raise a factions influence in the other systems than the war system

Good man for reporting back that you were wrong, you saved me needing to double check 3.0 didn't change it.

I will point out that this was known for a long time, it was even in the dev supplied info about states.

 

[Jmanis]

I was able to proof that i was wrong. I have to apologize at everyone who i have stated to be wrong. Sorry people, i was wrong and i was able to proof it
The results are clear. During a war/civil war, nothing except bountyhunting works to raise a factions influence in the other systems than the war system

Not sure if i should raise a bugreport about this since FDev never confirms/denies if this is intended or not. But this feels like betrayal. I'd like to get a refund for the wasted credits

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/19/14/121914dc6dffba378177f0c54c375475.jpg

FD can't make war-theme missions count for influence until they fix this bug: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ons-when-in-a-War-state?p=6457712#post6457712

TBH though, the fact missions don't count towards influence is fine imo, in that wars can cause a lot of hurt for larger factions.... causes a natural and balanced increase of size and power, versus effort required to become larger.

We're about to enter another war, I'll collect some data on handing in bonds to other systems when that kicks off.

 

[zzUrbanSpaceman]

It would really be nice if they'd remove the influence gain rewards on missions or put a warning on them when they aren't actually going to provide any benefit. Doing a massacre mission for a faction that's in conflict should not offer an reward that increases influence if the influence simply won't change because the faction state disallows it. It's completely misleading.

 

[Jmanis]

It would really be nice if they'd remove the influence gain rewards on missions or put a warning on them when they aren't actually going to provide any benefit. Doing a massacre mission for a faction that's in conflict should not offer an reward that increases influence if the influence simply won't change because the faction state disallows it. It's completely misleading.

Yup. It just shouldn't display any influence rewards, nor should the flavour text suggest it will help the war effort.

 

[zzUrbanSpaceman]

Yup. It just shouldn't display any influence rewards, nor should the flavour text suggest it will help the war effort.

You know what? I'm going to raise that as a bug report. It's just wrong, and the amount of times I've seen this argued back and forth in this thread alone over the last year is enough to justify it I think.