Paladin Consortium - Betrayers and Opportunists or the NEW face of once proud faction

[Misaniovent]

What I will say is that my experience with AL TARF shows him to be worthy of trust, and I feel the same about EG.

My experience was the same until the torrent of abuse he PMd me. Seemed most out of character.

Your experience with EGU is not the same as mine

I see.

It seems to me that you are admitting you started this war:

That we have rocked the boat, started a war etc is absolutely true.

And you've admitted over two posts that you don't have the proof you need to justify it. Perhaps if your bot were still installed across 30 discords, you would have the information you need to justify your attack.

Best of luck to you!

 

[Hellrot]

xaxaxaxaxaxa, but where is your proofs? :-DDDDd

Honestly Digitarry, you shouldn't let yourself get dragged into defending your position before a biased third party interested in form more than the essense. After all, that "ambassador" Al tarf hasn't denied anything you've said at this time.

I believe your story though, you've just described the modus operandi of those self-proclaimed "EG aces" anyone who ever opposed them since RtP is aware of.

 

[Digitarry]

I tried my best to point out that if a group operates purely in PG it will never be possible to prove anything. I don't think that's a hard notion to grasp.

VaVylon, thanks for posting, and please message me on Discord if you use it. In answer to your question, I hardly know any foes by name. But then I don't have many foes. We have enjoyed a peaceful coexistance, during which time the few BGS bumps we had were easily addressed - usually small groups or individuals unintentionally damaging our influence. Occasionally a PP roleplayer - or someone messing around for kicks and giggles. All easily sorted. More recently though the repeating pattern of influence control has implicated a much larger group. (BGS isn't my thing so I can't elaborate on that.) I can't argue that I can layout the implicating factors to convince a jury - I can't. My earlier post summarises most of them though. The activities are very similar to that which EGU did to us prior to our first war. EGU stopped announcing their expansions, breaking the treaty. (Of course, that's a minor thing if the treaty was already being broken by messing with our BGS in PG.) One of our pilots was destroyed by EG pilots. (Which shocked us more in that he met [EG] pilots in open, than the fact he died to be honest!) Putting all of the pieces together, we have as much intel as we're likely to get if a group plays in PG. (unless of course one of your pilots defects and tells us the story as happened last time.)

In short - we think it's EGU messing with us. Nothing that's been said or done since has given us any indication that we're wrong. If we are wrong, my door and ears are open. I've already posted more here than i intended to. I don't think any group looks good when they air grievances in public. PM me and let see what we can come up with so we can all stop wasting time slowing down each others game.

Regards,
Digitarry

 

[AL TARF]

I would like to inform everyone that my statement was approved by Euryale High Council and Yuri Grom, this is now an official stance of EGP on Paladin Consortium. I would also like to repeat that this events are quite unfortunate and does not represent what EGP consider important and benefitial. If a new leadership of PalCon will emerge, or if another group would be created by those who left PalCon, but are still true to the ideas their faction were representing once - EGP embassy is opened for you.

For warmongering Paladins and those who betrayed us these doors are closed forever, or at least while I'm in charge of EGP foreign affairs.

 

[Digitarry]

Oh bravo.. drama like that deserves applause. We've not met, but I picture Professor Snape. Especially the twirl of cape and flounce out at the end. Bravo...

 

[Hellrot]

Oh bravo.. drama like that deserves applause. We've not met, but I picture Professor Snape. Especially the twirl of cape and flounce out at the end. Bravo...

Nah, they're LARPing their RL politicians lol

 

[MottiKhan]

I would like to inform everyone that my statement was approved by Euryale High Council and Yuri Grom, this is now an official stance of EGP on Paladin Consortium. I would also like to repeat that this events are quite unfortunate and does not represent what EGP consider important and benefitial. If a new leadership of PalCon will emerge, or if another group would be created by those who left PalCon, but are still true to the ideas their faction were representing once - EGP embassy is opened for you.

For warmongering Paladins and those who betrayed us these doors are closed forever, or at least while I'm in charge of EGP foreign affairs.

I'd like to thank Al Tarf, the Euryale High Council and Yuri Grom for making this statement.

I had excused myself from this tasteless war. As a Paladin, I'm entitled to do that. You see, part of the Paladin credo is that all pilots are autonomous. We make our own decisions until we're gathered to act as one. I didn't like the way the way the war was being run. Too many rules. You see, the Paladins are hampering themselves by trying to be gentlemen and acting within the rules of what they see as honor.

I feel that the rules go out the window in times of war. The inefficiencies and strict rules of engagement frustrated me. There are ways to affect the BGS and Power Play of an opponent when the gauntlet is thrown.

You just threw that gauntlet down.

As an independent pilot, I will come for you. I have no rules to hold me back. You have now given me purpose. And now, you'll see what happens when a real BGS warrior opposes you. You've been fighting an unorganized group with limited BGS knowledge until now.

I'm leaving the Paladins because of what I'm about to do. It's a price I'm willing to pay.

The Paladins are my friends. But their rules are too restrictive. I have no treaty. I have no rules. I am now rogue. With a purpose.

Once again, thank you.

 

[VaVylon]

I tried my best to point out that if a group operates purely in PG it will never be possible to prove anything. I don't think that's a hard notion to grasp.

VaVylon, thanks for posting, and please message me on Discord if you use it. In answer to your question, I hardly know any foes by name. But then I don't have many foes. We have enjoyed a peaceful coexistance, during which time the few BGS bumps we had were easily addressed - usually small groups or individuals unintentionally damaging our influence. Occasionally a PP roleplayer - or someone messing around for kicks and giggles. All easily sorted. More recently though the repeating pattern of influence control has implicated a much larger group. (BGS isn't my thing so I can't elaborate on that.) I can't argue that I can layout the implicating factors to convince a jury - I can't. My earlier post summarises most of them though. The activities are very similar to that which EGU did to us prior to our first war. EGU stopped announcing their expansions, breaking the treaty. (Of course, that's a minor thing if the treaty was already being broken by messing with our BGS in PG.) One of our pilots was destroyed by EG pilots. (Which shocked us more in that he met [EG] pilots in open, than the fact he died to be honest!) Putting all of the pieces together, we have as much intel as we're likely to get if a group plays in PG. (unless of course one of your pilots defects and tells us the story as happened last time.)

In short - we think it's EGU messing with us. Nothing that's been said or done since has given us any indication that we're wrong. If we are wrong, my door and ears are open. I've already posted more here than i intended to. I don't think any group looks good when they air grievances in public. PM me and let see what we can come up with so we can all stop wasting time slowing down each others game.

Regards,
Digitarry

Dear Digitarry, I would like to thank you for such a detailed response.


And I'm sure you will certainly be able to add to your detailed response the constructive reasons why we, as aggressors (as you are trying to expose us), after a year or more suddenly start offensive actions against your Community. Given your so strong confidence in our involvement in the attack on your interests, I'm sure you had Veeery good reasons for this. Perhaps EG Pilots somewhere wanted to derive material benefits? Do not be shy, share your thoughts.
And regarding the place of dialogue, personally, I quite like this place. I love publicity in such matters. However, if this place causes you some... inconvenience, you can PM in the discord channel and we can continue our dialogue there if You want it.

Regards,
VaVylon

 

[CMDR pollycough]

Ahh, The first casualty of war. The truth!

 

[AL TARF]

I'd like to thank Al Tarf, the Euryale High Council and Yuri Grom for making this statement.

I had excused myself from this tasteless war. As a Paladin, I'm entitled to do that. You see, part of the Paladin credo is that all pilots are autonomous. We make our own decisions until we're gathered to act as one. I didn't like the way the way the war was being run. Too many rules. You see, the Paladins are hampering themselves by trying to be gentlemen and acting within the rules of what they see as honor.

I feel that the rules go out the window in times of war. The inefficiencies and strict rules of engagement frustrated me. There are ways to affect the BGS and Power Play of an opponent when the gauntlet is thrown.

You just threw that gauntlet down.

As an independent pilot, I will come for you. I have no rules to hold me back. You have now given me purpose. And now, you'll see what happens when a real BGS warrior opposes you. You've been fighting an unorganized group with limited BGS knowledge until now.

I'm leaving the Paladins because of what I'm about to do. It's a price I'm willing to pay.

The Paladins are my friends. But their rules are too restrictive. I have no treaty. I have no rules. I am now rogue. With a purpose.

Once again, thank you.

I would be more happy if you would lead your friends from the way of war to the way of peace. Your decision will certanly give you honor from you comrades and from other pilots who think as you do. But you will no gain any approval from me — EGU and PalCon were good long friends, and I value these times most. As for our BGS attacks — did you really think that we would remain idle any longer, while you trying to pinch us over and over again? Big Pappa has declared his miserable war on 24/02 and this thread was started on 11/03 - meaning that we were tolerating PalCon attacks, while waiting for PC leadership to come to their senses, and also were trying to negotiate with your completely unresponsive ambassadors for 16 days, including the day of war declaration. For 16 days you were shooting over the impenetrable bastion which EG Union is now, while we remain unmoved by your provocation and were trying to find a peaceful solution. Now you will face consequences, and I assure you - they will be dire for your whole organisation.

As I've said before, some of Paladins pilots have contacted me, saying they have no part on this conflict and that they hate what their community has become and that's why I kindle the hope in my heart that one day there will be peace again between EG Union and Paladin Consortium.

You're on a wrong side of a history, fighting for false ideals in a fruitless and meaningless war - you will either turn to the light, or will be remembered as one of the criminals, who were subdued by madness and paranoia, even by your fellow Paladins.

it's not too late yet.

Ahh, The first casualty of war. The truth!

Very true indeed. And manipulative PalCon have just proved this once again.

 

[Adam Jay]

EG/Grom talking about honour, truth, agreements, betrayal and manipulation - laughable. Everyone knows that they only keep their word when they are forced to or there is an advantage for them in doing so. In the second an opportunity is presented, they turn on anyone who is on their way, ally foe or just a small group minding their business, all in pg and subsequently denied and mined for more pr. Any agreement they ever sign serves only to give tactical advantage over those foolish enough to believe their word. What Digit described is common experience with them and not surprising at all. What AT is doing now is just propaganda to rally more against not too popular PalCon, words are cheap way to damage you opponent some more if you have stomach for lies. Even their motto, freedom among stars while they roll over everyone.

 

[Seolenn]

I take no word for truth from people hiding their little bum in PG, you talk big ? play big then and see you all in the open playground [heart]

 

[zybr78]

Adam Jay The height of the word is an empty concussion of air. There are no facts, not one. even a hint of fact.

Seolenn as far as I understand, you have never engaged in bgs, and judging by your behavior, do not feel respect for the work of people in this direction.

The military clash leads to a slowdown in the development of both factions.
Looking at Paladin Consortiom systems it is clear that even if there were once enthusiastic people developing this topic, now they simply do not remain.
You do not care about the past achievements of your faction.
It seems that all that you know how to destroy this, we prefer to build.


This is the behavior of the barbarian. The same ones that destroyed Palmyra in Syria or a Buddha monument in Afghanistan.

By the way, when I asked about pilots who flew into the system Lauksa, I was told that their level is average, most do not have pvp fit ships. It seems that in this matter you are full losers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlGmfAVxvcg

 

[Seolenn]

Oh, so now you have like a super power to know what I do and do not ?
Dear Paladins, we must hide ourselves, we're doomed !

Seriously, be a politician, you look like you have a real talent for it.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

....snip...
The military clash leads to a slowdown in the development of both factions.
....snip....

And this is a bad thing how?, For the rest of the galaxy.

 

[Adam Jay]

Adam Jay The height of the word is an empty concussion of air. There are no facts, not one. even a hint of fact.

And your ignorance/denial of this common knowledge is supposed to be something more? Please

Also I thank you from restraining yourself from tasteless comparations of video game politics to a real life situations where lives were lost in the future

 

[zybr78]

And this is a bad thing how?, For the rest of the galaxy.

For the rest of the galaxy, it does not matter.
The galaxy or its populated part is a very large piece for a separate fraction. A place is enough for everyone. For a particular faction, the war does not bear any advantages, acquisitions. The war between factions of the players, this is one continuous minus for the development of a particular faction.
So the actions of the Big Daddy are just disrespect for those acquisitions that other people made from his own faction in the first place.


Although I think he does not care. bgs in paladins seems to be completely destroyed, judging by the pace of development. It seems they decided, if we can not create anything, let's destroy something. barbarians.

 

[Adam Jay]

bgs in paladins seems to be completely destroyed, judging by the pace of development. It seems they decided, if we can not create anything, let's destroy something. barbarians.

Have you not read the explanation from cmdr Digitarry at the bottom of the first page of this thread or just decided to ignore it? Their bgs being destroyed is the reason for their action and only thing they are destroying is the culprit. You may choose not to believe it but there is no basis for claiming it seems how you described it. That is your biased view obviously either coming from your personal relationships with PC or you just being part of Grom propaganda machine. Or both.

 

[MottiKhan]

Well, I'm finding this banter to be entertaining. Lies, truth, whatever. I don't know which is which.

But I like to be entertained.

 

[MottiKhan]

I would be more happy if you would lead your friends from the way of war to the way of peace. Your decision will certanly give you honor from you comrades and from other pilots who think as you do. But you will no gain any approval from me — EGU and PalCon were good long friends, and I value these times most. As for our BGS attacks — did you really think that we would remain idle any longer, while you trying to pinch us over and over again? Big Pappa has declared his miserable war on 24/02 and this thread was started on 11/03 - meaning that we were tolerating PalCon attacks, while waiting for PC leadership to come to their senses, and also were trying to negotiate with your completely unresponsive ambassadors for 16 days, including the day of war declaration. For 16 days you were shooting over the impenetrable bastion which EG Union is now, while we remain unmoved by your provocation and were trying to find a peaceful solution. Now you will face consequences, and I assure you - they will be dire for your whole organisation.

As I've said before, some of Paladins pilots have contacted me, saying they have no part on this conflict and that they hate what their community has become and that's why I kindle the hope in my heart that one day there will be peace again between EG Union and Paladin Consortium.

You're on a wrong side of a history, fighting for false ideals in a fruitless and meaningless war - you will either turn to the light, or will be remembered as one of the criminals, who were subdued by madness and paranoia, even by your fellow Paladins.

it's not too late yet.

Sorry. No backsies.