Modes Play in open is not what some would have you believe!

[Clifra Jones]

they only want you to play in open so they can PK you

And you make my point perfectly. So why did none of those 15 players I encountered the other day NOT PK me!? Do you have an answer for this?

Oh god forbid your propaganda against playing in Open be proven wrong!

Play in Solos/PG I don't care but don't chase away new players from open by spreading falsehoods.

Its admirable...that youve taken a positive stance...and good going on you for trying.

Really. Kudos.

That said:

Do you honestly , HONESTLY feel like this is going to be a constructive thread?

There are those who play in Open.
There are those who do not.

Suggesting ways to make Open more appealing might be one approach, and one ive tried myself.

But trying to convince people this way is only going to end one way:

around 52 pages of people crapping all over each other. Seen it a thousand times and this will be exactly the same.

I am not trying to convince people of anything except maybe to be honest!

By the way people post in here you would thing that Open equates to instant death. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You think we stayed on topic?


There was talks of Kb/M, Zarek turned up, there was banter. Don't besmirch this good thread dear Sir.


Glad you were having fun

Thing is, it's often not fear, but the complete lack of desire to meet irritants that make people not log into Open. Fear would be fun, irritation isn't.

edit: there you are thread! Sneaking off like that!

Found someone summarizing the thread for you.

Tests results! Followed up by goat memes. This thread has got everything!

Nice reply! Ya now I always do like your posts for some reason.

There are a couple of reasons why I no longer venture into Open:

(1) The implied threat, often quoted by the more vocal PvP/Open supporters: If you play in Open you automatically consent to PvP. Umm no I didn't, just because Player A feels that way it doesn't mean I have to see it that way. And if you are interdicted, and manage to evade by waking out, your now apparently stand a chance to be put on a KoS list for not doing the 'correct' thing and dying. I will not be player content for some 12 yo (age is the mentality, not the actual).

(2) This one was a little more cerebral I guess. A while ago I was reading a thread in the PvP sub-forum where a Commander in a T7 complained that he was killed by a wing of large ships (Cutters from memory). And the responses from some of the PvP were rather strange. Their main thrust was it was the Trader's fault for flying a T7, and if he wanted to continue to play in open he either had to sell the T7 and buy a 'real' combat ship or get rid of all those silly cargo racks and module tank his trader. When the Commander very politely replied asking how he was suppose to trade if he wasn't carrying cargo the was laughed at and naturally told to 'Git Gud'. The whole conversation annoyed me, here were a bunch of supposedly mature, experienced players telling someone that if you want to play in Open, especially around the Bubble, forego any thought of doing anything except combat or at least build your fleet for combat. So much for everyone being able to play the game their way.

Look I have nothing against Open, just some of the people that inhabit it. If I could be in Open and know that whilst I have a chance of conflict with a Commander I also have a chance of avoiding it, I would. But it seems this small minority of Open Players think it is a free for all and anyone who doesn't abide by their rules suffers. Just remember that a growing number of PvP'ers consider even a low wake out of a conflict akin to combat logging now, that really shows their lack of maturity in my opinion.

On #1, I do not agree with that, but I also do not agree that someone needs to ask permission before attacking a player.

On #2, you are just as likely to get attacked by NPCs. Oh nut yes they are "easy kill" targets.

But again, I'll say this, if you run 50 missions in a T7 in open how many times will you even see another player let alone get attacked? Maybe 2 of 50 unless your running cargo into a CG.

Low wake, high wake is not combat logging. Running is a valid tactic. Anyone who thinks that is a turd!

Why do people who love open use terms like, "afraid" or "hide" when talking about those who play in other modes. When you use words like that all you are doing is trolling.

You want to play in Open fine have fun, please quit thinking those of us who play elsewhere are "afraid", "hiding", someone has used "cowards" before... it is all Horse hockey. we have a myriad of reasons why we don't.

There fixed it, as that was really not my intent

 

[Clifra Jones]

thanks for sharing your positive vibe, and i totally get where you come from, but there are some small problems:

i've never been afraid of playing in open. first, death is largely optional. second, i really don't mind a rebuy screen. i've faced a lot of them, mostly in open.

i do not fly open anymore because:
- network quality is miserable in open
- i lost all interest in combat since engineers (yes, i have unlocked all of them, i have several top engineered combat ships, and from that experience and knowledge i came to the conclusion that engineers is utter crap that has completely spoiled combat in this game)
- most of the people i used to play with have left the game, and i've not stuck with any other nice group since. i'm not against, it just didn't happen. if i did, this would be currently the only reason to enter open despite the above. i know there's a chicken-and-egg problem here but ... see above!



no, game designers have defeated the whole purpose of open multiplayer. see above.
edit:add: (and playing solo/pg is not hiding. get over that)

that said, best wishes and have fun!!!

Quite understandable, (See,I am not an unreasonable person), plus I agree, network quality when players are in the same instance is not good. This is something FD really needs to work on.

 

[Clifra Jones]

Just so we are clear!

This post was not meant to disparage people for playing the way they want, whether that is in Open, Solo, or PG. (hence the edit)

It was more a way of showing that not every experience in open is a bad one.
It was also an attempt to counter act the constant drum beat of "you will die instantly in open" which is nothing close to the truth!

There is the constant stream of post complaining about "I got attacked in open" but you hardly ever see a positive one.

 

[Dirtbird]

And there it is.

Always some veiled accusation that people are scared. It completely undermines your little story.
It's pixels on a screen, no one is scared.

I am hoping that in your haste to jump all over me, you have neglected to read the last line. Otherwise you are just jumping to incorrect conclusions without making use of all the information available.

Just to clarify, I was never afraid for my life. At no point did I expect ED players to turn up on my doorstep with guns, knives, plasma accelerators or whatever waiting to deprive me of my life, family or posessions. I am not using afraid in this context. The context I am using it in is that I am fearful for the time I would lose having to rebuild my progress, apprehensive for each encounter. I was worried about having an encounter I had no power over (me in my E-rated sidewinder meeting a big bad engineered ship with big guns and the intent to turn mine into pixel dust). I would hope that you did not conflate that with thinking I was afraid of something that would affect me in real life, apart from my time being wasted.

You have completely misread the intent of my post.

Yes, some of us fall into that definition of "hiding in solo". We read the threads on these forums which have the form of "I got interdicted at XX and a big ship blew me away in three seconds, no roleplay, no this, that or other thing, this needs to be banned". What was I supposed to think as a new player? I got smashed by an Adder the first time I got interdicted and my first combat I initiated with a NPC Sidewinder, I managed to escape with my ship mostly intact. Am I supposed to not be concerned with this stuff? I didn't have a clue how to make money then, apart from trade. Which I was doing, in a Sidewinder.
You may not fall into that definition. I did not say you were a coward hiding in solo, the favourite words for those who like to accuse YOU of doing that. I said that there are some of us, of which I was one of them that did exactly that. I was very concerned for my game experience if I went into Open.

And what you did was take one line from my post and decide I was calling everyone a coward and afraid and hiding. Tell me, how am I incorrect if at least one of us (ME) actually did that in the past? What you do with your game is your business. If you play solo because you want to continue avoiding time wasting by player killers, that is your right to do so. I would be quite inclined to follow your lead in this except for one thing...

... and that is when I was much younger, I wondered what it would be like if there were real people at the other end of the ships I met in Elite, whether they were friendly or hostile (I mentioned this in my earlier post). That motivated me to go into Open once I had learned a bit better how to shoot stuff and run away, and see if I could meet some of these people. Perhaps some of them would live in the same country as me and we could do meetups and things like that. Now just to clarify for you, this is MY story, not me trying to say that you should have the same experiences as me.

Frankly I'm quite disgusted at how I have to defend myself against the PvP With Strict Role Playing Limitations Only people because of their bitterness, perhaps at bad experiences in the game. Never had to defend myself in this away against PvP people who destroy my ship. What impression am I to take away from this? Well, it seems that most of the PvP With Strict Role Playing Limitations Only people are unreasonable and irritating to engage on these forums because they'll yell at you if you disagree with them. My exchanges in the forums with the PvP warriors is they they seem to be reasonable and will directly answer you without trying to hide behind the hurt from being impeded in their game. However y'all feel free to change my mind. It's there for the changing. Perhaps you're actually pleasant to deal with in person.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I don't play in Open right now because FD broke the comms panel.

All part of FD's master plan to kill Open

 

[Mohrgan]

My Pixels fear no one. Now, my game time. That's another matter. My game time fears being wasted on becoming content for bored people. Ever since I have moved into a PG, the game became what I was hoping for. The gentleman's agreement has turned my game time into the experience I bought the game to enjoy.

With that said, I have never advocated any change to the environment found in open. That many people seek out that kind of environment for their own enjoyment has been accepted and understood since I made the switch. But, I will defend the current Mode system with all the logic I can summon, from people who consider their Personal Gamer Ethics to be superior to mine. I allow for each and every Commander to decide, on a session to session basis, to choose what environment they want to play in.

That is all I ask. That everyone just accept the game's design approach, and make the best of the environment they choose. Pretty simple, right?

 

[Watchdog]

Let me make something clear right from the start. I understand very well that not all those who play in Open are jerks. I even understand very well that not all those who enjoy PvP are jerks. Problem is, that some are, and they are quite vocal about it here on the forums. I refuse to meet them. Not even once.

I am an explorer. My ship is kitted out exclusively for exploration, so that I can enjoy my favourite activity to the fullest. I stand no chance in combat in such a ship, my shields are there only to save me from bumps when landing. Kitting my ship for combat or even survival in combat for long enough to wake away would mean giving up on my own entertainment. When I return to the Bubble after weeks or months out in the Void loaded with exploration data I am willing to risk exactly 0% chance of some idiot killing me just outside the station where I want to land, just for his/her giggles. The prospect of losing weeks or months of progress brings no excitement to me. No thrill. No entertainment.

I have a time demanding and exhausting job. My gaming time is often very limited. I do not play games to compensate for some real life frustrations, I play to relax and relieve stress. Neither do I play to make my e-peen grow to immeasurable sizes and I am not willing to become content for someone who does. I see enough of thems "Gitguds" around here. I hate causing grief to other people and I am not willing to spend my valuable time getting griefed for the satisfaction of some socially and/or emotionally deprived jerk either. I refuse to waste my time being their entertainment. I paid for this game for it to provide me with enjoyable entertainment. Not theirs at my expense.

Hence the Mobius PG is the perfect solution for me. Open has literally nothing to offer to me that Mobius cannot provide better.

 

[Jockey79]

I am hoping that in your haste to jump all over me, you have neglected to read the last line. Otherwise you are just jumping to incorrect conclusions without making use of all the information available.

Just to clarify, I was never afraid for my life. At no point did I expect ED players to turn up on my doorstep with guns, knives, plasma accelerators or whatever waiting to deprive me of my life, family or posessions. I am not using afraid in this context. The context I am using it in is that I am fearful for the time I would lose having to rebuild my progress, apprehensive for each encounter. I was worried about having an encounter I had no power over (me in my E-rated sidewinder meeting a big bad engineered ship with big guns and the intent to turn mine into pixel dust). I would hope that you did not conflate that with thinking I was afraid of something that would affect me in real life, apart from my time being wasted.

You have completely misread the intent of my post.

Yes, some of us fall into that definition of "hiding in solo". We read the threads on these forums which have the form of "I got interdicted at XX and a big ship blew me away in three seconds, no roleplay, no this, that or other thing, this needs to be banned". What was I supposed to think as a new player? I got smashed by an Adder the first time I got interdicted and my first combat I initiated with a NPC Sidewinder, I managed to escape with my ship mostly intact. Am I supposed to not be concerned with this stuff? I didn't have a clue how to make money then, apart from trade. Which I was doing, in a Sidewinder.
You may not fall into that definition. I did not say you were a coward hiding in solo, the favourite words for those who like to accuse YOU of doing that. I said that there are some of us, of which I was one of them that did exactly that. I was very concerned for my game experience if I went into Open.

And what you did was take one line from my post and decide I was calling everyone a coward and afraid and hiding. Tell me, how am I incorrect if at least one of us (ME) actually did that in the past? What you do with your game is your business. If you play solo because you want to continue avoiding time wasting by player killers, that is your right to do so. I would be quite inclined to follow your lead in this except for one thing...

... and that is when I was much younger, I wondered what it would be like if there were real people at the other end of the ships I met in Elite, whether they were friendly or hostile (I mentioned this in my earlier post). That motivated me to go into Open once I had learned a bit better how to shoot stuff and run away, and see if I could meet some of these people. Perhaps some of them would live in the same country as me and we could do meetups and things like that. Now just to clarify for you, this is MY story, not me trying to say that you should have the same experiences as me.

Frankly I'm quite disgusted at how I have to defend myself against the PvP With Strict Role Playing Limitations Only people because of their bitterness, perhaps at bad experiences in the game. Never had to defend myself in this away against PvP people who destroy my ship. What impression am I to take away from this? Well, it seems that most of the PvP With Strict Role Playing Limitations Only people are unreasonable and irritating to engage on these forums because they'll yell at you if you disagree with them. My exchanges in the forums with the PvP warriors is they they seem to be reasonable and will directly answer you without trying to hide behind the hurt from being impeded in their game. However y'all feel free to change my mind. It's there for the changing. Perhaps you're actually pleasant to deal with in person.

So, you make a sweeping generalisation that people fear open, then complain when someone calls you out on it.
If you were talking directly to those who may have a genuine fear of open (which I highly doubt), then you should have worded your remark to them directly (e.g. for those who are afraid to try open, there is nothing to fear.....).

As it stands, you just accused everyone who doesn't play open of being afraid of it.
Now Thatchinho seems to think you didn't do it on purpose, and I'd like to think they are right.
But experience has taught me to see the worst in people - that way I'm not surprised or disappointed when I'm right.

 

[Dirtbird]

So, you make a sweeping generalisation that people fear open, then complain when someone calls you out on it.
If you were talking directly to those who may have a genuine fear of open (which I highly doubt), then you should have worded your remark to them directly (e.g. for those who are afraid to try open, there is nothing to fear.....).

As it stands, you just accused everyone who doesn't play open of being afraid of it.
Now Thatchinho seems to think you didn't do it on purpose, and I'd like to think they are right.
But experience has taught me to see the worst in people - that way I'm not surprised or disappointed when I'm right.

Certainly not.

I’m making a statement that because I did, that I may not be unique. How did you come to that conclusion? How does the fact that I say that because I did (hid away in solo and was afraid for my game experience) at one stage, that all solo players do? How do you read the words where I say “some of us may” that somehow it becomes “all of us do”. Do they mean the same thing to you?

Your calling me out on my sweeping generalisation that all solo players fear open are either a fiction in your own head or born of a lack of reading comprehension.

If you want to call me out, call me out on this. “Hello. When I was a new player, I hid in Solo because I was afraid of being ganked and losing all my progress. There may be more who were like I was, and they may still exist. However I have moved on from those days due to the valuable experience I gained from playing the game.” Please note that this is not a blanket statement that refers to all solo players. I hope you can understand this from the judicious use of the single letter word “I” which in this context refers to me, not a plurality of other players. You will also see a statement that alludes to the possibility of more people who had the same thought processes I did. Now, I cannot be certain about this. Maybe I was unique and truly the only person ever who has played ED and was scared of losing their progress, and everyone else was courageous. I hopefully covered this case in my original post with the word “may”, which is a word I carefully chose to indicate a possibility, not a certainty.

Heck, why am I even bothering to explain all this? You don’t seem to care except to prove you’re right about me accusing all solo players of being cowards or whatever above all else.

In the interests of ending a useless argument about a post that only you have an objection to, would you like me to admit defeat and bow to your assessment of my intentions? It is evident that I can not prove anything to you short of showing you my entire ED play history. Well my experience of people who argue like you do is that you wouldn’t admit anything even if it were staring you in the face. There’s my sweeping generalisation and it’s not about the game.

Perhaps it does not matter anyway, you and I will never meet in game nor in person.

 

[Makasouleater]

I think with the new changes they did to the crime system, it kinda makes killing random people with small ships worthless, and actually you are making them suffer way more than you. If they were flying a 100m ship, and all you had was a transport 6, they would have to pay a hell of alot more than you to recover from it.

Though since the game is peer 2 peer, not everyone could do open to start with. When I use to have garbage dsl, I could never play this game it didn't work right. Now that I have business 350 25 it works fine, but not everyone has that.

I dono they should just make it consent only pvp if you ask me, having open pvp like this in a game like this that is hugely unbalanced is not fun for any one but a few people who like to murder people. I mean you got vr, 2d, and a whole bunch of non equal control abilities, like someone with a mouse and keyboard and a crap monitor, is going to be at a huge disadvantage to someone with a good hotas and a vr helmet. Then add in you can just unplug your router and disconnect, and being peer 2 peer makes it all horrid for pvp in any balance sense. Just for the fact the pings are not going to be from a central location the person with the best internet and is host is going to have a advantage.

So someone with great internet, vr, great hotas, and a high end computer, is gonna have a huge advantage over someone who has a crap monitor, mouse and keyboard, and dsl. Effectliy making pvp utterly dumb if you ask me. I play in open though, just for the fun of maybe meeting a real person some day. I prolly only got 110 hours in, been around at least 1000 light years, and never seen any one.

So it is a good thing that there are choices for private and closed. Good to hear though, not everyone is a person that has fun taking away someone's hard work for no reason, other than for them to get kicks. Hopefully people like that are a minority.

 

[UmbraRex]

8<snip>8
So someone with great internet, vr, great hotas, and a high end computer, is gonna have a huge advantage over someone who has a crap monitor, mouse and keyboard, and dsl. Effectliy making pvp utterly dumb if you ask me. I play in open though, just for the fun of maybe meeting a real person some day. I prolly only got 110 hours in, been around at least 1000 light years, and never seen any one.
8<snip>8

HOTAS? It is commonly acknowledged that the best among the PvPers use KB&M.

VR, Yes, it makes the average and lower better due to improved situational awareness.

Internet? Better internet means smoother PtP connections. Does it give an advantage? As long as your connection supports the number of players in the instance, not really.

High end computer? Various graphics settings can be turned down to improve performance on lower end machines.

What makes PvP 'dumb' is asymmetrical attacks, a fully engineered PvP meta murdermachine can kill a lightly (or non) engineered ship in seconds. And the path to get to one of these top end murdermachines? Long and convoluted.

 

[verminstar]

True story...I had always said if FD brought in some real consequences to criminality, Id start playing in open only. I started about a month or so before 3.0 dropped after two years playing the lone wolf, and have stayed in open only 100% of the time.

So far, out of every say 10 players I see, at least half will try and kill me without so much as a single spoken word.

The other 5 or so will either ignore ye, or clog when ye say hiya outta fear.

Its really only the very occasional instance that someone will actually stop and chat.

So far about my time in open only...well its a pretty miserable and depressing scene truth be told. The fear of being ganked, real or imagined has well and truly tainted the mentality of those who do still play in open. The few guys I spoke to regard it as a constant threat and very real, especially in and around hotspots where many freely admit solo is the best option.

Thats coming from those who play in open most of the time...sorta tells one everything one needs to know about what really happens in open. Im having fun but then I enjoy winding others up to the point where they lose the rag...Im very thick skinned so the constant insults are more funny than obnoxious...childish in the extreme.

If this is the best open can offer, chances are I wont stay long because one just cant chill out in open like I could do in solo...constantly on edge watching to see hollow squares and triangles and becooming paranoid especially in busy rez sites and around stations like jamesons where the salt is...constant and extremely toxic.

Ive been playing open 100% and thats my opinion on it...its ruined and spoiled and nowhere near as much fun as others make it out to be...but Ill stay because I said I would and I never go back on me word ^

 

[wrmiller]

True story...I had always said if FD brought in some real consequences to criminality, Id start playing in open only. I started about a month or so before 3.0 dropped after two years playing the lone wolf, and have stayed in open only 100% of the time.

So far, out of every say 10 players I see, at least half will try and kill me without so much as a single spoken word.

The other 5 or so will either ignore ye, or clog when ye say hiya outta fear.

Its really only the very occasional instance that someone will actually stop and chat.

So far about my time in open only...well its a pretty miserable and depressing scene truth be told. The fear of being ganked, real or imagined has well and truly tainted the mentality of those who do still play in open. The few guys I spoke to regard it as a constant threat and very real, especially in and around hotspots where many freely admit solo is the best option.

Thats coming from those who play in open most of the time...sorta tells one everything one needs to know about what really happens in open. Im having fun but then I enjoy winding others up to the point where they lose the rag...Im very thick skinned so the constant insults are more funny than obnoxious...childish in the extreme.

If this is the best open can offer, chances are I wont stay long because one just cant chill out in open like I could do in solo...constantly on edge watching to see hollow squares and triangles and becooming paranoid especially in busy rez sites and around stations like jamesons where the salt is...constant and extremely toxic.

Ive been playing open 100% and thats my opinion on it...its ruined and spoiled and nowhere near as much fun as others make it out to be...but Ill stay because I said I would and I never go back on me word ^

I don't think that anyone here who understands what honor is, will hold you to your word in this case. I certainly wouldn't blame you for going back to solo. I did. Besides, I'm not sure many of the younger generations even understand what honor is.

Why hang out with a bunch of strangers in a game, many of whom I'd rather punch in the face than interact with, when I can enjoy the game my way? Screw them.

 

[verminstar]

I don't think that anyone here who understands what honor is, will hold you to your word in this case. I certainly wouldn't blame you for going back to solo. I did. Besides, I'm not sure many of the younger generations even understand what honor is.

Why hang out with a bunch of strangers in a game, many of whom I'd rather punch in the face than interact with, when I can enjoy the game my way? Screw them.

Even though Im having fun, Ill admit that dealing with some in open really is testing the limit of patience. Had one guy in a vette the other day kept interdicting me while I was in the chieftain...so he literally couldnt catch me. Four times this guy tried along with a torrent of abusive insults because he couldnt catch me and I wouldnt just stop and let him kill me.

I just mentally shrugged and jumped outta the system to busy meself with something else...and thats been a typical highlight so far...as in thats not the only incident Ive experienced. Truly if I dont get to see this wonderful friendly sociable mythical place called open within the next couple months, then Im done and Ill just move back into solo again cos damned sure Im not gonna have my time dictated by manchildren...thats adults with a child mentality. In real life Id put their teeth into the back of their throat...they hide behind the internet and it makes them brave...seen it all before not impressed.

If I wanna argue with an immature mindset, I have me own teenager here to argue with...I dont play games to have to put up with them there as well. If it persists then many here will have the opportunity to say told ya so...not that far from those sentiments now to be perfectly frank about it ^

 

[UmbraRex]

Even though Im having fun, Ill admit that dealing with some in open really is testing the limit of patience. Had one guy in a vette the other day kept interdicting me while I was in the chieftain...so he literally couldnt catch me. Four times this guy tried along with a torrent of abusive insults because he couldnt catch me and I wouldnt just stop and let him kill me.

I just mentally shrugged and jumped outta the system to busy meself with something else...and thats been a typical highlight so far...as in thats not the only incident Ive experienced. Truly if I dont get to see this wonderful friendly sociable mythical place called open within the next couple months, then Im done and Ill just move back into solo again cos damned sure Im not gonna have my time dictated by manchildren...thats adults with a child mentality. In real life Id put their teeth into the back of their throat...they hide behind the internet and it makes them brave...seen it all before not impressed.

If I wanna argue with an immature mindset, I have me own teenager here to argue with...I dont play games to have to put up with them there as well. If it persists then many here will have the opportunity to say told ya so...not that far from those sentiments now to be perfectly frank about it ^

The block list exists for individuals like that.

 

[verminstar]

The block list exists for individuals like that.

If I started using it, Id be using it a lot...that incident is just one incident and certainly not the only incident. But ye...that one was blocked and five minutes later, another one tries the same damned thing. Im starting to think this is what it means to play in open and tbh Im not sure I can be bothered with it anymore. Nobody wants to just have a chat and chew the fat, hardly anyone speaks at all truth be told.

So far, thats been my experience of open...about 95% exactly the same as solo with a 5% chance of meeting a moron who is about as communicative as a typical npc...in fact if there was no CMDR in front of their name, they may as well be just be highly engineered npc.

Im sure its not like that fer everyone...but thats what its been like fer me and honestly, Im beginning to get bored with it...but Im still in open fer now...but fer how much longer at this rate

 

[Dietger]

No one here really can possibly expect to have strangers playing along to your own rules, no?

Open is socializing.

 

[Mouse]

No one here really can possibly expect to have strangers playing along to your own rules, no?

Open is socializing.

PG's are socializing not Open... there are many in open that have proven they can't play well with others. They don't want to socialize. Too bad because Open COULD be socializing...

 

[ALGOMATIC]

The game is set in a cut throat galaxy with monster weaponry and special effects, I dont feel like talking about the weather, it is better to increase my kill count.

Why don't you hunt wanted cmdrs? It pays well after 3.0.

 

[Jockey79]

The game is set in a cut throat galaxy with monster weaponry and special effects, ....

And countless NPCs to use them on.