Nope you cant PVP in solo. So no one gets it!
thats how solo players react. Very nice!
Removing Open is a better idea.
You are like broken recorder. Broken weeks ago and still playing the same sequence...
Nope you cant PVP in solo. So no one gets it!
Removing Open is a better idea.
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You are like broken recorder. Broken weeks ago and still playing the same sequence...
thats how solo players react. Very nice!
You are like broken recorder. Broken weeks ago and still playing the same sequence...
Pot == Kettle
Sometimes, all you need is some quotes.im not against any mode, he obviously is. Even he wrote he isnt, but his comments is highly toxic.
+thats how solo players react. Very nice!![]()
=You are like broken recorder. Broken weeks ago and still playing the same sequence...
Pot == Kettle
im not against any mode, he obviously is. Even he wrote he isnt, but his comments is highly toxic. I came back in this topic and see nothing changes over weeks... bye
Ofcourse it wont change, there are a bunch of cheaters and exploiters sitting here defending the modes, while people stick a problem after problem in their face with links and videos and solid proof, but lets not confuse them with facts.
The modes system is patent pending LMAO, patent pending of how to kill any multiplayer content of whats left of the half broken PVE grind which already exists. Definitely patented.
"I dont like pvp but let me go and gank somone in SOLO exploiting broken game mechanics" classic.
"I dont want to play with others but is perfectely fine playing against others when ruining their progress" from a safe spot.
Ofcourse it wont change, there are a bunch of cheaters and exploiters sitting here defending the modes, while people stick a problem after problem in their face with links and videos and solid proof, but lets not confuse them with facts.
The only reason they didnt loose their PF is because FDEV banned the bot accounts. You can't compete with automated bots that run 24/7.
The problem here is if those bots wouldn't come to Open, noone would find out about them and the PF would be lost to SOLO underminers (cheating SOLO underminers to be precise).
The modes contribute to the problem of "noone sees you cheating in SOLO". Now, if you cheat for your own progression in SOLO, this is one thing, but if you cheat in SOLO WHILE DELIBERATELY AFFECTING OTHERS, this is entirely different. You have to deliberately blindly defend this system if you dont see a problem here.
Its yours in a sense that you put time in it. You have to fight to keep it yours, but cheaters can unfairly undermine (using bots and other means).
When you cheat in SOLO like in the case above, there is noone to report you, and you get away with it. In the case of the bots, they came to Open and only then were identified.
Rename the factions "purple" and "green" and you'll have my vote.![]()
PvE is a mechanic. Competition in Open is socializing.
Ofcourse it wont change, there are a bunch of cheaters and exploiters sitting here defending the modes, while people stick a problem after problem in their face with links and videos and solid proof, but lets not confuse them with facts.
The modes system is patent pending LMAO, patent pending of how to kill any multiplayer content of whats left of the half broken PVE grind which already exists. Definitely patented.
"I dont like pvp but let me go and gank somone in SOLO exploiting broken game mechanics" classic.
"I dont want to play with others but is perfectely fine playing against others when ruining their progress" from a safe spot.
That's the thing you are missing.. You're only looking at this from your own perspective.. ignoring all the others.. If people use bots for their own progression in Solo that's also affecting others. You cannot do anything in this game without affecting the shared galaxy.. You do a trade run? missions? bounty hunting? all of that affects the economy, the influence of factions through the BGS and everything.
That's the reason why the player group in the thread you linked is going about it the right way.. They want the actual PROBLEM to be dealt with, aka. the BOTS.. for everyone! And yes, if proper anti-cheat methods are developed that would halt the usage of bots even in solo. Keep in mind that just because you cannot see a player in Open doesn't mean Fdev doesn't know what they're doing either. And yes, obviously this anti-cheat / cheat fight is an endless one.. you develop a temporary solution.. new and more elaborate bots surface, but the idea is to make them work more on upgrading their bots and recreating their accounts than the amount of cheat-time they get out of it with each step so eventually they decide it's not worth it. Lots of games already have successful anti-cheat mechanics in place so it's nothing new.
Now back to the subject..
You linked the thread.. you read it.. so tell me honestly how would forcing people into open would be a solution to your problem?
The proof is right there in the thread YOU linked.. These bots WERE acting in open without anyone forcing them there.. yet a mere 10-15 of them almost annihilated one of the largest player factions who were responsible for bringing Mahon to power and who WERE willing to fight back with any means necessary and not just wanting free kills.. They put in the work, the effort.. did 70-100 missions a DAY.. and they barely got through it, like you said: with some help from Fdev..
So I ask again.. if they couldn't fight them IN Open - the exact scenario you're demanding here - what chance do you have? That's the perfect test data for you proving that removing the modes would not solve your problem, since modes aren't the problem if your issue truly IS the one you claim, but bots are.. those should be removed.. the bots.. not the modes..
What removing modes WOULD do is give you more innocent targets to hunt.. abuse and bully.. without helping Power-play in any way.. that's why pretty much everyone here thinks that this is your true agenda and you're not all that concerned with the workings of power-play..
Do you understand why people in this thread aren't supporting you now?... just tell us.. simple yes or no..
Here, I'll give you one more summary: We honestly believe that you have no intention of "fixing" Power-Play.. and that every attempt to fix this "problem" by removing the modes around here is just another excuse to try and trick the developers into giving you more people to prey on. The reason we think that is because that's the only logical reason for it and we're not idiots and the developers aren't either. In the event that our thought process is incorrect and you actually DO mean well, then the above example with the bots should be clear proof enough to you that removing modes would NOT solve the problem, like you claim it would.. You should focus on solving the actual problem (bots) and not trying to get the developers to remove every other working aspect of the game that has a potential to amplify the problem, because if they remove those.. the problem will still exist and they destroyed their content for nothing.. if they solve the problem instead.. there will be nothing to be amplified..
Does that make sense to you? I really hope it does![]()
Cheers!
If using the modes is cheating then you are as guilty as anyone else. Especially if go go to pg/solo to get mats or recoup credits.
Your proof is not as solid as you seem to think. Generalizations are not a good way to prove a point about everyone. So your facts are lacking any real solid evidence other than "some" people are engaged in a play style you do not approve of.
Since the game is a shared universe state regardless of the mode you play in it is multiplayer.
How do you gank someone from solo? I mean if you are in solo and they are in any mode you cant stop anything they are doing to counter your actions. Its just two players playing their game doing their things. Of course PvP pew pew style wont win the BGS/PP on its own.
You dont get to not play with others as far as the BGS is concerned, it simply doesnt care what mode you are in, as far as Safe Spot, dont be ridiculous. Solo/PG can be dangerous depending on many circumstances. And I find most of my time in open no different from my time in solo as far as danger is concerned.
Open encourages PvP.*
Ignoring, what ever one doesn't like, does not help the fact.
If I would take it, seriously, some posters here exactly know whats appropriate by labeling, what ever they like, and see fit.
Which is not what Open is all about. Sorry.
Thankfully, your social skills, all share the opposition. Face to face, if you are lucky. Socializing is a gamble. As much as , our game is.
In Open your challenged, in Solo your left alone.
Getting same, similar results in Solo much as in Open? How comes? Proof of, you yourself left alone, is a thing, right?
You can kill them in OPEN, unlike SOLO they are not hiding from anyone.
im not against any mode, he obviously is. Even he wrote he isnt, but his comments is highly toxic. I came back in this topic and see nothing changes over weeks... bye
I've never been against anything, every time I've posted to remove open is in response to the same ridiculous idea of doing anything to the other modes.
If demanding Solo / PGs be hindered / removed / have content locked away from them - the my idea of remove open is as valid (and less work).
The toxic attitude is coming from people who made massive assumptions about the game and now blame everyone but themselves.
I read what I was buying, Frontier made it quite clear. If people don't like what Frontier are making, then move on - others game exist.
Troll.
When am I, who is, and why?
Do you are a troll ?
Open is about people.
And how we share our fate.
Together.
Nope... Open is not about people... yes you can play with others but it isn't "about" people..
And as for "our" fate... everyone no matter the mode they play in share the same fate.