I think I've realised what the problem with ED is.. Braben has lost interest and moved on?

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It came direct from an FDev spokesperson at Lavecon.
I don't think it's down in writing anywhere official though.

Oh OK thanks. I didn't know if it was an actual 'right we've got a ten-year plan' or a more nebulous sort of 'we can see ourselves developing ED for ten years or more'.
 
Maybe it's like Weekend at Bernie's at FD HQ and Davo is not sitting next to Sandro but rather propped up next to him.

He'll be water-skiing next.

Lol, how many CEOs sit next to their employees without an office of their own, except maybe Mark Zuckerberg except he sits like 10 metres from everyone else.

Also, a CEO is normally either busy on the phone, on the road or attending board meetings, etc. Some people just want to believe what they want to hear and turns a blind eye to reality.
 
Lol, how many CEOs sit next to their employees without an office of their own, except maybe Mark Zuckerberg except he sits like 10 metres from everyone else.

Also, a CEO is normally either busy on the phone, on the road or attending board meetings, etc. Some people just want to believe what they want to hear and turns a blind eye to reality.

Lol.

Yeah, I don't think that anyone believes it 'cept that guy.
 
Lol, how many CEOs sit next to their employees without an office of their own, except maybe Mark Zuckerberg except he sits like 10 metres from everyone else.

Also, a CEO is normally either busy on the phone, on the road or attending board meetings, etc. Some people just want to believe what they want to hear and turns a blind eye to reality.

LOL.

He could spend 1 day dedicated to Elite which is one of their major incomes. But he didn't.

He doesn't want because Elite is in maintenance mode since years and there's nothing to show because there's nothing new.
 
It came direct from an FDev spokesperson at Lavecon.
I don't think it's down in writing anywhere official though.

It came 'direct' from a 'spokesperson' at a fan based radio station which is obsolete, how many moons ago?.. [haha]

And not written anywhere? So basically its like a Chinese whisper.. M'kay..


[woah]
 
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So it wasn't FD who said it? Is that what we're getting at here?

I can't confirm what someone didn't say for them. What does seem to have become a thing is that ED is a game without leadership, key personnel are either off on a jolly or working on other projects, no member of 'the team' is responsible for anything and so we are left in a sort of limbo.

All things considered I think its fair to say that the focus for the 'key stake holders' isn't ED and rather sadly its showing.

Atmos planets, space legs.. FD: 'Its something we'd like to do..'

Me: I'd like to do Kim Kardashian but to be perfectly honest with you, it aint happening. [haha]
 
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Many reasonable and valid points in this thread.

My take. FD is now a mid size developer with three significant projects. David would be spread thin, although his love for space adventure probably hasn't waned.

Is FD still committed to the game? I'd say more than ever in terms of actual dollars spent, but only while it can justify the expenditure. Basically this means if we support it, FD will also as it just makes good business sense to do so. This is more important than ever with other MMO space games competing for a slice of the market and currently under development (regardless of what you or I personally think of those games).
 
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1) David is trying to convince banks and investors to fund many more projects at once (more games, more markets - for the good of FDevs long-term future)
2) David is looking to "get out" and wants to maximise his millions before doing so


Both of the above seem much more likely to me than he is simply bored and disengaged

I think it's more like 1) except Braben and Frontier are still committed to the ten year plan of ED. I think their goal was always to keep working on ED at least for the next seven years where sustainability of the company allows them to keep expanding on ED as tech generally improves and they are able to solve more challenges of ED's infrastructure on supporting atmospherics and spacelegs on the massive scope of the ED galaxy. Of course Braben as CEO is obviously busy with many more duties than just overseeing ED with operations of so many more considerations of the company, investors, the board decisions, the media, Steam, etc. but the overall plan is to continue developing ED as the flagship namesake of Frontier.


Anyone that believes ED is not piggybacking on the income of Planet Coaster is just delusional. Frontier is doing ok as a company, but not thanks to Elite.

Amazingly, this statement is far more likely delusional and just plain wrong, than what the recent financials say of Frontier. ED sold over 3.25 million copies. Most of the revenue of the past half of 2017 was still from ED over PC where company revenue was at 19 million pounds and the stock of Frontier.PLC is the highest it's ever been.

Sure. In that way that we wouldn't have game to play.

"Open development" LOL. Sure, really.

yep, lol, "open" like CIG/F24 where they keep 'ing their timetables, changing ToS six times to deny refunds, to keep the backing money keeping their ponzi wreck in excess of $180 million afloat.

@Eagleboy - it is difficult to talk to someone that does not see a difference between game copies and what they have in the report as sales units. Also, with a person that does not seem to understand that the money from those sales (whatever cryptically labelled they are) are already invested into the company and other projects and I was talking about ONGOING revenue generated by the game.

See most recent financials, (interim report). PC has normalized far faster already than ED.

That's the way I'm beginning to feel as well... I'm especially frustrated with Frontier's glacial pace at fixing bugs, most of which were not in the game when I bought it but were introduced later on. Games should not get worse over time, they should get better.

Aw'comon Duck. I'd thought you knew the patches and updates were improvement efforts which always risk new bugs on balancing new features and assets vs. performance. And I'd thought you were happy with the graphics look of the recent 3.0.3x. Things have improved so much I can safely say at least a year and a half before PS4 release. It used to take 30 seconds for transitioning to the ground terrain instance from "cruise" where the beige graphics were not as nice as what they are now. Perhaps the PS4 and Sony need to allow more access to tweaking controls that ED can offer.

Overall, Frontier still has more for Beyond and I believe they will continue (probably moreso after the JWE release; it slowed down a bit in the months before the PS4 release also) on gradually improving ED as they've always done.
 
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I think it's more like 1) except Braben and Frontier are still committed to the ten year plan of ED. I think their goal was always to keep working on ED at least for the next seven years where sustainability of the company allows them to keep expanding on ED as tech generally improves and they are able to solve more challenges of ED's infrastructure on supporting atmospherics and spacelegs on the massive scope of the ED galaxy. Of course Braben as CEO is obviously busy with many more duties than just overseeing ED with operations of so many more considerations of the company, investors, the board decisions, the media, Steam, etc.




Amazingly, this statement is far more likely delusional and just plain wrong, than what the recent financials say of Frontier. ED sold over 3.25 million copies. Most of the revenue of the past half of 2017 was still from ED over PC where company revenue was at 19 million pounds and the stock of Frontier.PLC is the highest it's ever been.



yep, "open" like CIG/F24 where they keep 'ing their timetables, changing ToS to deny refunds, to keep the backing money keeping their ponzi wreck in excess of $180 million afloat.



See most recent financials, (interim report). PC has normalized far faster already than ED.



Aw'comon Duck. I'd thought you knew the patches and updates were improvements which always risk new bugs. And I'd thought you were happy with the graphics look of the recent 3.0.3x. Things have improved so much I can safely say at least a year and a half before PS4 release. It used to take 30 seconds for transitioning to the ground terrain instance from "cruise" where the beige graphics were hardly as nice as what they are now. Perhaps the PS4 and Sony need to allow more access to tweaking controls that ED can offer.


The 'Ten Year Plan'.. Okay, can someone tell me what it is precisely ? Coz as far as I'm concerned its some nebulous nonsense that amounts to nothing.

Perhaps we should get Eagleboy on the case.. he seems to know everything..

They've had years to develop this plan.. Can we see some detail?
 
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I can't confirm what someone didn't say for them. What does seem to have become a thing is that ED is a game without leadership, key personnel are either off on a jolly or working on other projects, no member of 'the team' is responsible for anything and so we are left in a sort of limbo.

All things considered I think its fair to say that the focus for the 'key stake holders' isn't ED and rather sadly its showing.

Atmos planets, space legs.. FD: 'Its something we'd like to do..'

Me: I'd like to do Kim Kardashian but to be perfectly honest with you, it aint happening. [haha]

You seem to have a problem with David Braben. Do you have some kind of an agenda?
 
The 'Ten Year Plan'.. Okay, can someone tell me what it is precisely ? Coz as far as I'm concerned its some nebulous nonsense that amounts to nothing.

Perhaps we should get Eagleboy on the case.. he seems to know everything..

They've had years to develop this plan.. Can we see some detail?

I took it to mean their plan was to gradually keep working on ED for at least ten years of seasons. They can't provide specifics deadlines as there are challenges with the tech that haven't been solved yet or they are working on it as it goes , but it means at least seven more years of commitment to improving ED. If they can't make all the KS stretch goals by 2025, so what, ED2 will probably get made with improved tech and resources of the future, and everyone can transfer all their accounts over. Frontier has done a decent effort, actually bar-setting achievement with what ED already is now.

on the CIG side, they've had seven years of coming up with a severely bugged and broken alpha of only one star system (really a few cryengine levels) Time is running out for them, probably already is.

https://starcitizentracker.github.io/
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg7716#msg7716
 
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I took it to mean their plan was to gradually keep working on ED for at least ten years of seasons. They can't provide specifics deadlines as there are challenges with the tech that haven't been solved yet or they are working on it as it goes , but it means at least seven more years of commitment to improving ED. If they can't make all the KS stretch goals by 2025, so what, ED2 will probably get made with improved tech and resources of the future, and everyone can transfer all their accounts over.

on the CIG side, they've had seven years of coming up with a severely bugged alpha of only one star system. Time is running out for them, probably already is.

What are you babbling on about.. I've never brought up CIG or SC.. There is a thread for that elsewhere..
 
Enough! Enough of this rank, recidivist, recalcitrance! This sacrilege! Oh ye of little faith, Who would even deign to look upon the face of Breadbins? Can thoust see-eth the very custard impinging the motion of thine ship? Likewise, does thoust not feel His presence in every RNG roll, in every boom 'unique & irreplaceable biowaste' mission? Surely the only thing keeping the servers up and running is His divine will, and thus by his omnipotent benevolence will we abide, and uphold the sacred ritual of devotedly tweaking a klunky great HOTAS up-a-bit, left-a-bit, steadfast in the certain knowledge that this is, against all protests of our feable worldy minds, "fun", if one so refined in purity as to suck the very soul from a brick, ever remembering that all this is but mere distraction from the celestial serenity that will cascade over us once we get spacelegs and atmospheric landings, with all sparkly procedurally-generated robo-critters and theme parks and everything! Collect tribbles to win RNG-weighted custard-thinning hull coatings! Forget all woes and cast your minds to meditations of how anything at all in ED could remotely be described as "recapturing the immediacy of the previous games", and accept the paradox, for surely, is this not superlative irony by His omnificent design? What more perfect proof of His illimitable presence could we seek, but the interminable snafus of PowerPlay or RNGineering? FD are making the game they want to make, yea, the Breadbins work in mysterious ways, and forgive us our loitering fines, getgud.
 
The ten year plan thing came from Lavecon 2015. Here is a link that mentions it...

http://www.elite-dangerous-blog.co.uk/post/details-of-new-ship-emerge-from-lavecon-2015

The Q & A with Frontier was not recorded at the request of Frontier.

Edit: Here is another link that mentions the 10 year plan...

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Development_Plans

At best this 'ten year plan' ends at the end of 2018..

Where is the rest of it? There isn't anything beyond.. and that kiddo is the point..

At this point, we have the entire player base, many folks who are far from being low in the IQ department, but no one has been able to offer any counter to my point other than personal attacks..

I'm not here for a win, I just want ED to be awesome, that I ruffle so many feathers really is revealing.

pew pew o7
 
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David Braben is the CEO of Frontier Developments plc. His job is to oversee the running of Frontier Developments.

Yes he co-created Elite, but his role is CEO. Elite isn't the only came Frontier Publishes. He isn't really involved with the day to day runnings of Elite or it's development. Me might oversee them or have a summary to ensure it's being steered in the right direction, but don't expect him to be sitting behind a PC working on the Cobra engine or sifting through SQL Databases.
 
At best this 'ten year plan' ends at the end of 2018..

Where is the rest of it? There isn't anything beyond.. and that kiddo is the point..

At this point, we have the entire player base, many folks who are far from being low in the IQ department, but no one has been able to offer any counter to my point other than personal attacks..

I'm not here for a win, I just want ED to be awesome, that I ruffle so many feathers really is revealing.

pew pew o7

If there's really a 10 year plan then it will extend past 2018 except IF (I stress IF) FDev were to release another ED, we shall have to pay for it again except I bet there will be less players funding it pre-release like ED.

I dislike personal attacks too which ought not to be condoned and Steam moderators are quicker at deleting such posts and warning the culprits ... suppose Frontier threads grow too fast for them to keep track :p
 
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