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Oh well... I haven't been proven wrong. Too bad.

Like they say, "same old same old".

For those advocating for FDev, I am really sorry gents, but you are wasting your time. The pattern is established since december/2017 (one could say it was before). We are still waiting for FDev to break that pattern and REALLY come to us with meaningful information.

About 80% of our player group got all excited when I reported Brett's words/post from last week. Unfortunately I had to tell at that very moment: Don't get all excited. You know how FDev disapointed all of us on last december, january, february, march... one thing is for sure, they are not breaking the mold next week.

And then the advocates can come and reply "you are being too pessimistic". After waiting for more than 8 months? Sure as hell we (me and all the other PFMs leaders) have become pessimistics.

Despite of that, I am still trying to get people involved in the game, working some BGS, making some credits, do some idiotic grinding for materials to visit engineers... but yes, it is getting harder to convince people to come back to game.

That's all we can expect for this week, I imagine this will continue the same way, *very* small pieces of information with not a lot of meat to them. So, yes he gave us our update this week, expect more of the same the following months, we are back to the long game.....

If u Guys take this as an Info and you`re fine with it...so please tell me DO YOU KNOW the Status of your faction now, if you`re accepted or rejected?
I don`t !
And an update of the list from 30/10/17 would be a real meaningfull Info....

THX to all
 
If u Guys take this as an Info and you`re fine with it...so please tell me DO YOU KNOW the Status of your faction now, if you`re accepted or rejected?
I don`t !
And an update of the list from 30/10/17 would be a real meaningfull Info....

THX to all

Of course we are not fine with it, but he's met his obligation of giving us an update, now we can't say we are not being talked to, and so they get to go back to Thargoids and another 6-9 months of putting us off for PMF. You will not get the answers you want in the next month, whenever Brett says he is waiting for something from the Dev/Engineers it is inevitable a 2-3 month wait.

With that being said, this addition process may happen before a 3.0.x update or the 3.1 update,
So we may be getting our PMFs somewhere between 3.0.x (x being an imagery number based on your hopes and dreams) and 3.1 of which there has been no date posted and so is actually an infinite time away, so we are looking at a comment which really says not anytime soon.... .....so even when he has said something he has said nothing....
 
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Of course we are not fine with it, but he's met his obligation of giving us an update, now we can't say we are not being talked to, and so they get to go back to Thargoids and another 6-9 months of putting us off for PMF. You will not get the answers you want in the next month, whenever Brett says he is waiting for something from the Dev/Engineers it is inevitable a 2-3 month wait.

So we may be getting our PMFs somewhere between 3.0.x (x being an imagery number based on your hopes and dreams) and 3.1 of which there has been no date posted and so is actually an infinite time away, so we are looking at a comment which really says not anytime soon.... .....so even when he has said something he has said nothing....

Here I disagree.
He wrote:

Hi folks, a small update, currently looking at around 40ish factions (this may rise on the final pass) that are going to end up rejected according to our first pass done by the dev team.

Before I get more PM's and bombarded with people wanting to know: I am awaiting a list of approved and rejected minor factions.

At least it was my understanding - and I believe for the majority here as well - we would have got a list by end of this week. No implementation yet but at least a list giving us either hope or confidence we would have to apply again.

So I believe we got less than what was promised.

Now it's clear - don't shoot the messenger - that Brett isn't the source of the missing info but only its communicator. So he gets all the rant and rage cause we have no one else we could address our dissatisfaction to.

But still a list this week with status update would have been the minimum.

It wasn't to be.

Imho.
 
At least it was my understanding - and I believe for the majority here as well - we would have got a list by end of this week. No implementation yet but at least a list giving us either hope or confidence we would have to apply again.

That isn't what his post says at all. His post says he's waiting for a list. And that's it. There is nothing in it about when that list would be posted, or anything to do with this week. He knew as much as anyone else that people would be at PAX East from Thursday onward. He wouldn't make that promise, and that promise isn't there. The only time he mentioned this week is that we'd "possibly" have news this week - but that doesn't necessarily mean a list.

I get that people are upset, but getting mad about things that were never said is really inappropriate.
 
There must have been some progress though, as he mentioned that approx 40 factions could be rejected going off the first pass.

You could argue that an update could be deemed imminent given the fact he has that information.
Prior to this, he said he had no news.

Glass half full people
 
That isn't what his post says at all. His post says he's waiting for a list. And that's it. There is nothing in it about when that list would be posted, or anything to do with this week. He knew as much as anyone else that people would be at PAX East from Thursday onward. He wouldn't make that promise, and that promise isn't there. The only time he mentioned this week is that we'd "possibly" have news this week - but that doesn't necessarily mean a list.

I get that people are upset, but getting mad about things that were never said is really inappropriate.



Academic pernicketinesses.
 
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Guys,

according to the past info given from Brett, it seems probable that SOMEONE is really working on this matter.

So, I hope that next week will be the good one for some tangible news.

Otherwise, we all will simply have to drop any residual hope and relinquish the whole idea to have a PMF.

Just my two cents.
 
That isn't what his post says at all. His post says he's waiting for a list. And that's it. There is nothing in it about when that list would be posted, or anything to do with this week. He knew as much as anyone else that people would be at PAX East from Thursday onward. He wouldn't make that promise, and that promise isn't there. The only time he mentioned this week is that we'd "possibly" have news this week - but that doesn't necessarily mean a list.

I get that people are upset, but getting mad about things that were never said is really inappropriate.

Sounds like a dirty lawyer or politician ...
Fact is, we are waiting too long.
Fact is, he told us there would be a change.
Where is the change? Where are the Infos and where is the List?
 
Sounds like a dirty lawyer or politician ...

Please. I'm just saying not to put words in his mouth, or get angry when he doesn't do something he never said or even implied he'd do. This is bordering on the sort of madness one would expect from being lost in the desert - seeing mirages, thinking that giant sand dune off in the distance is a glittering palace with water flowing everywhere, when it's really just more sand.
 
Please. I'm just saying not to put words in his mouth, or get angry when he doesn't do something he never said or even implied he'd do. This is bordering on the sort of madness one would expect from being lost in the desert - seeing mirages, thinking that giant sand dune off in the distance is a glittering palace with water flowing everywhere, when it's really just more sand.

just a question:
HOW LONG ARE YOU AND YOUR GROUP WAITING?

THX
CMDR STEU3R
Still WAITING since AUGUST 2017!
The Empires Fleet
 
Morning Brett

With PAX east out of the way, is there any further news on the list you mentioned - the one that looked like there maybe 40 rejections from the first pass?

Thanks
 
Hi folks, a small update, currently looking at around 40ish factions (this may rise on the final pass) that are going to end up rejected according to our first pass done by the dev team.

Before I get more PM's and bombarded with people wanting to know: I am awaiting a list of approved and rejected minor factions.

Brett,

Why not release the list of factions that you know have been rejected now?

I see nothing to gain from holding onto that information, but it will frustrate and possibly anger people who could have resubmitted their application as soon as they knew.

Your last update on the list was back in December 2017. We are now in Q2 2018!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...actions-Submission-Form-and-Information/page2

Trickling information about rejections on a weekly basis would be good for the community. That way you will also not have to contend with a mass influx of reapplications in one go either!

Please put the rejections out of their misery and let us all know sooner rather than later.

Anyone with me on this guys and gals?

Regards,
Gus
 
Brett,

Why not release the list of factions that you know have been rejected now?

I see nothing to gain from holding onto that information, but it will frustrate and possibly anger people who could have resubmitted their application as soon as they knew.

Your last update on the list was back in December 2017. We are now in Q2 2018!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...actions-Submission-Form-and-Information/page2

Trickling information about rejections on a weekly basis would be good for the community. That way you will also not have to contend with a mass influx of reapplications in one go either!

Please put the rejections out of their misery and let us all know sooner rather than later.

Anyone with me on this guys and gals?

Regards,
Gus

Yeah thats a good idea - at least then we can get on with re-applying and like you say, will stop a truckload of re-applications wazzing though on the same day

Rep'd
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Brett,

Why not release the list of factions that you know have been rejected now?

I see nothing to gain from holding onto that information, but it will frustrate and possibly anger people who could have resubmitted their application as soon as they knew.

Your last update on the list was back in December 2017. We are now in Q2 2018!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...actions-Submission-Form-and-Information/page2

Trickling information about rejections on a weekly basis would be good for the community. That way you will also not have to contend with a mass influx of reapplications in one go either!

Please put the rejections out of their misery and let us all know sooner rather than later.

Anyone with me on this guys and gals?

Regards,
Gus

Well said. From what i can gather our PMF is facing a second rejection, a 4 month wait from our second application is too long without news. I fear that under the current format of application we could be waiting well over a year to get accepted. For me and others this is just too long, and i know i have mentioned this before but doing BGS just to keep a space open for your faction is soul destroying when you have barely any communication.

What are the reasons for the 7 Faction limit? and why was this never mentioned in the application thread?

I love this game, I loved the original but things are different now... I'm no longer a kid who has hours and hours to waste on a game. My time is limited and too valuable to spend keeping factions at bay especially when you have no idea if your PMF application is being looked at next week, next month, 3 months or whenever "Tom the work experience kid" has been asked to check the systems you have applied for!

I'm not a one game player, but i was for sooo long after Elite Dangerous came out. Now though..... I switch on the xbox and dont even consider it anymore. I can always find something else to do, with an objective. The objective for us as a PMF was too build something, to carve out our own part of the galaxy. Something to relate too. The one thing Elite Dangerous lacks is clear objectives.... sure you can say becoming ELITE, or getting a certain ship and so on are objectives. But when you have played for as long as you have and you have done all of these things..... what else is there?

The PMF. An identity, a community and an objective.

For myself and most of my group now, without those things it's just not engaging enough.
 
September 2017 here, all Brett can respond with is "waiting on engineering staff"

What is aggravating to me is the fact that people are still on this waiting list a full year later; and I know for a fact that some waited over 12 months and walked away.


This is worse than US government work.
 

Brett C

Frontier
Brett,

Why not release the list of factions that you know have been rejected now?

I see nothing to gain from holding onto that information, but it will frustrate and possibly anger people who could have resubmitted their application as soon as they knew.

Your last update on the list was back in December 2017. We are now in Q2 2018!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...actions-Submission-Form-and-Information/page2

Trickling information about rejections on a weekly basis would be good for the community. That way you will also not have to contend with a mass influx of reapplications in one go either!

Please put the rejections out of their misery and let us all know sooner rather than later.

Anyone with me on this guys and gals?

Regards,
Gus

Again, I do not have the exact folks that have been rejected on this pass yet.

I want to know myself so i can begin emailing folks as well. ;)

The game dev (engineer) who manages the additions/rejections/etc was out of office late last week on holiday, so things got a little backlogged.
 

Brett C

Frontier
Actually, I do have a minor update to post - might help if i updated the subversion repo!

This is the first pass of rejected minor faction applications.

Rejection ReasonGroup NamePMF Name
No updates permittedDiscovery InitiativeDiscovery Initiative
No updates permittedUpdateAxiom of Ishtar
Invalid sys.Fire Fade Hunters SquadFire Fade Hunters
Description does not conform to elite.Generalgroup04Church of the Meep
Description does not conform to elite.Havocmka's HeroesKnights of the Old Empire
Invalid DescriptionCosi PVE Player ClanCosi PVE Player Clan
Invalid DescriptionSmall Worlds ExpeditionariesSmall Worlds Expeditionaries
Descriptions are to be in ENGLISH only.German Defense ForceGerman Defense Force
Descriptions are to be in ENGLISH only.German Dealer and Fighter UnionGerman Dealer and Fighter Union
Does not conform to the Elite timelinePilot Syndicate 4Pilot Syndicate 4
Sys in use.Clan Magnus LegioThe Great Legion
Description does not conform to elite.The Spm CorporationThe Spm corporation
Description does not conform to elite.Orange is in the BlackAurantius Technology
Invalid lore.Shoot Many KlaxiansShoot Many Klaxians
Cannot have PMF name as a system name.LFT 1748 Bagel BuddiesLFT 1749
Description is required to be filled out.RED DRAGONRED DRAGON
No mentions of other PMF'sKitsune Wanderers64th Kitsune Wanderer
American TV name - IP ViolationThe Black ListThe Black List
Bad Desc.Vacuum BrigadeVacuum Brigade
Invalid Lore to EliteErebus OneThe Black Knights
Bad Desc.The Galactic Communist AllianceThe Galactic Communist Alliance
PMF Naming ErrorGerman Dealer and Fighter Unionrman Dealer and Fighter Union
Sys in use.Brotherhood of the 20th OhmThe Brotherhood
Sys in use.Order of Stella InvictusOrder of the Astrum Invictus
Sys in use.Paradox gamingParadox alliance force
Sys in use.Independent Pilots AssociationIndependent Pilots Association
Invalid Lore to EliteThe Lucky Rocket PrivateersThe Lucky Rocket Privateers
Sys in use.Leviathan Scout RegimentLeviathan Scout Regiment
Bad Desc.The SPM CorporationThe SPM Corporation
Bad Desc.THE KNIGHTS OF THE OLD ORDERTHE OLD ORDER KNIGHTS
Bad Desc.Cosmic AegisCal's Armada
Bad Desc.iberian bounty huntersiberian bounty hunters
Bad Desc.The InfestationThe Infestation
No alien refsFederal Democratic CommandAlien Defense Force
Potential IP ViolationDrunk'n'DonutsDrunk'n'Donuts Inc
Bad PMF name.Short Yellow BusSYB Corp
Bad Desc.Eagle CorpsEagle Corps
Bad Desc.NOVA INVICTA LEGIONNOVA INVICTA LEGION
ALL CAPS, Bad Desc.THE FEDERATION OF ELITE AND REASERCHTHE FEDERATION OF ELITE AND REASERCH
Bad PMF name.-Loose Deuce-Independent -Loose Deuce- Academy
Does not conform to Elite Lore.LifeTime TechnologyLifeTime Technology
Bad Desc.Drunken Armament IncorporatedDrunken Armament Incorporated
Name too longUNIT 00531UNIT 00531 Economic Operations Branc
Restricted SystemARMED WANDERERS ENTERPRISESARMED WANDERERS ENTERPRISES
 
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