Player Groups and Minor Factions - General Discussion
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Yes, whichever sequence.
The point is that none of the Leviathan's systems currently would violate either of the two mentioned criteria.
There might be other criteria violated for sys in use however without explanation I would assume all three systems are fine.
Question is whether the systems were not fulfilling the criteria months ago like intended by AnthorNet's post however that would again indicate how highly broken the review process is if - assumption - review was done at a time point significantly back in the past but result of that review process only be communicated months later.
The opposite is valid as well - say you met all criteria 6 months back but meanwhile other NPC or player factions expanded into your systems and then you are being told - hey, unfortunately you don't meet the criteria today.
We can rant all day and come up with better proposals.
The process is so excruciating intransparent and protracted that the impression hardly can be avoided that a monkey is made out of players = customers.
Doesn't change my impression that ED in general is still one of the best games I played ever but that part sucks.
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Indeed. Frustrating beyond belief.
The answer I was given was;
So, if not in use, or at capacity it is restricted for some reason.
A PMF may have been the first to request a system but due to the constant goal post change and/or muddiness of the rules of how to and what to apply for or with, they may be on their 2nd knock back. I which time, another PMF may have been lucky enough to have flukes their PMF through and since claimed said system!
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Maybe, if there is an error in an application, that system should still be held for a month or 6 while they resubmit.. After all, it may not have been the PMF fault their submission didnt comply with the secret rules
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If that's the case, It would have been real nice to know about it the first time we applied...
It would have saved us from wasting a years' worth of preparatory BGS work, lore building and two more denied PMF applications' worth of disappointment.
Whoever that other PMF would be in our case, is sure taking their sweet time setting up in Diabak...
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Heya Brett,
Question for the Devs perhaps.
Once the scripts start running, How long do they usually take to process? I am assuming it's relatively new, and the current batche(s)? Are large, so I'm curious to know how long they process for?
Additionally, what info are they running the government type vs. government type against?
A recent snapshot of the live server or one from an early patch, say just after the Beyond update?
Oh! And I think I know this one, but I'll ask anyway, who is responsible for processing? Q/A or some other team?
Question for the Devs perhaps.
Once the scripts start running, How long do they usually take to process? I am assuming it's relatively new, and the current batche(s)? Are large, so I'm curious to know how long they process for?
Additionally, what info are they running the government type vs. government type against?
A recent snapshot of the live server or one from an early patch, say just after the Beyond update?
Oh! And I think I know this one, but I'll ask anyway, who is responsible for processing? Q/A or some other team?
oh yeah, I forgot to mention that other criteria: first come first served.
Perhaps he was unlucky enough to choose 3 systems which were already chosen by other PMFs, also waiting to be born
Well first come first serve has more weight than most here think, I've noticed. First come first served applies to everyone in game already as well. If someone moved into your applied systems, they got their first, before you could be processed. That's sad, because if your systems were leaked and someone didn't want you as a neighbor, they can manipulate BGS to do that, or fill the slots. FDev can't be responsible for processing applications at a snapshot in time where you checked way back when and applied. The only way they can really improve is to make the process more efficient(like batch processing mentioned). So first come first serve instances don't come up as often, and people don't have to defend their potential home systems so long.
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This... This is just unacceptable.
At no point, at any time, under any circumstances, in our WILDEST DREAMS.... have we referred to ourselves as "Alien Defense Force"... EVER!
We submitted our request TWO QUARTERS AGO, along with many others you have failed.
Mistakes are ok. Being busy is ok. These things happen.
This thread is salty, but it is full of people who are ON YOUR SIDE! We run player groups. A part of taking on that responsibility is supporting the game, and encouraging our members to participate in playing the game (read: make you money).
WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO THAT WE ARE SUCCESSFUL.
And in spite of all that... you haphazardly reject a block of PMF's based on data that is just wrong. Not misinterpreted. Just Wrong.
There's no excuse. It is obvious that not one set of human eyes looked this over, whether or not they may have been told to.
As a software developer, I am so disappointed in this process... I look like an idiot for defending you guys every week, and this is what comes down the pipe?
I love this game. Why can't it love me back?
This... This is just unacceptable.
At no point, at any time, under any circumstances, in our WILDEST DREAMS.... have we referred to ourselves as "Alien Defense Force"... EVER!
We submitted our request TWO QUARTERS AGO, along with many others you have failed.
Mistakes are ok. Being busy is ok. These things happen.
This thread is salty, but it is full of people who are ON YOUR SIDE! We run player groups. A part of taking on that responsibility is supporting the game, and encouraging our members to participate in playing the game (read: make you money).
WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO THAT WE ARE SUCCESSFUL.
And in spite of all that... you haphazardly reject a block of PMF's based on data that is just wrong. Not misinterpreted. Just Wrong.
There's no excuse. It is obvious that not one set of human eyes looked this over, whether or not they may have been told to.
As a software developer, I am so disappointed in this process... I look like an idiot for defending you guys every week, and this is what comes down the pipe?
I love this game. Why can't it love me back?
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First come first serve - whether NPC faction or PMF - might be justifiable for a process duration of days or a few weeks, but if we are talking about the current reality of months or year(s) it becomes pointless.
Yeah ... I think it's the utterly impenetrable nature of it and the lack of transparency of what is and isn't allowable, what requirements have to be settled etc. that is the most frustrating thing.
If I were running this, I'd be doing more checks at player group registration, including stuff like background text checks, lore checks, etc. After that, at submission time the form submission should at least check for whether the systems chosen are suitable at that time. At least that pre-filters a fair amount of stuff. That's not that difficult to do to be fair. I guess the whole PMF thing was a bit of an after-thought initially and now has grown into some kind of unmanageable monster.
It's the not knowing that is the worst thing.
If I were running this, I'd be doing more checks at player group registration, including stuff like background text checks, lore checks, etc. After that, at submission time the form submission should at least check for whether the systems chosen are suitable at that time. At least that pre-filters a fair amount of stuff. That's not that difficult to do to be fair. I guess the whole PMF thing was a bit of an after-thought initially and now has grown into some kind of unmanageable monster.
It's the not knowing that is the worst thing.
Agreed.
They took submissions via a google form, which can have scripting attached.
It would not be hard to set up a REST endpoint on their server that contains a list of "potential home systems".
EDDB.io tracks about 15 million systems, yet the SQLite database that I created from their data can search those systems (by name, not index) and return all results in about 1 second. Oh and that's with a 'LIKE' search
SELECT * FROM systems WHERE systemName LIKE "param%" ORDER BY systemName
So cache bubble systems in a separate table, and if you don't find the system name in there, switch over to a full table search. If name not found there, then you have either listed an incorrect system name, or that system is not currently valid.
Granted they would have to deal with a lot more traffic than my database... but that's kinda their industry.
EDIT: actually, I may build a tool that does this simply based off of EDDB.io data. Just to show it can be done.
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The issue with "at that time" creates massive problems for some regions of space. The BGS moves a LOT in some of the popular parts of space. Especially when injections land on large patches and do not happen often. The system is too fluid from day to day for reservations to occur. That kind of business creates a web of issues for those in and outside of the the BGS currently. First come first serve is just easier & allows more to be involved. Ways to help ensure your canidates best chance is to maintain them. Those rules are clear enough to act on. As I mentioned in my comment, reducing the time spent proccessing requests( as appears to have been done) could help those with applications tremendously by reducing time spent maintaining canidates through BGS.
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I also work in the IT world. But, I am not a developer, I work with network/infrastructure/servers/etc. So, even my not having the same abilities (programming) I believe you have, sometime ago I was thinking about some shellscripting that would help doing that job (get information from the PMF form, check if the requested systems are OK (if not a permit system, if it hasn't been requested by other PMF, if not full, if there isn't a PMF already, etc)). But then I got REALLY disapointed by the way FDev had been treating us... so I just gave up that project.
I hope you keep that will to come up with that tool.
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Yep - I don't disagree. But pre-filtering would have caught a lot of rejections at submission time rather than making people wait for 6-9 months to find out they'd done something wrong. Sure, if the BGS moves and you get unlucky then them's the breaks, but a lot of this is so obviously trivial that it seems odd that they wouldn't do this already. Ho hum - let's hope FDev use this as a learning experience and make the whole process better.
At home yesterday I checked your three systems.
Though I'm not sure I believe your systems do not match the allegiance. If I interpret your signature correct you had applied as an Independent faction whereas all your three systems - at least currently - are Fed systems. We know that we are not allowed to change allegiance by PMF placement for the big three so for instance trying to place a Fed PMF in a genuine Empire system.
I assume it's also forbidden to change a Fed/Empire/Alliance system to Independent or maybe even vice versa by PMF placement.
FDev/Brett would have to verify, but my guess is that might have been the show stopper in your case cause none of the systems is permit restricted, all contain only 6 factions and no PMFs are placed there yet.
Would mean in case you applied for them again you would have to flip system government to an Independent faction if I were correct.
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Brett said that check hasn't been run yet. This is most likely to be our point of rejection, but we weren't on the rejected list.
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And in a way, that is part of the problem. too many links in the chain? No real sense of who it is you are really relying on? In all fairness to Brett C, I guess he must feel like he is constantly being painted as the villain in all of this but no one can deny that there are too many unanswered questions surrounding this topic.
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